Is it a failure ? ( yes its a long one)

[+ David-SF]

So I am certain this has been discussed before but I want to bring it back up again.

 

as an escort it is my job to provide a service 100%

I had a situation that has not happened to me very often but it has happened.

 

Each encounter ended no charge because I could not deliver from the begining. and we rescheduled for another time or the next session was free.

 

This appt an hour is going "hard" and strong all is well chemistry is fine nothing unusual is happening.

 

Midway the erection fades during the session but everything else is going full force and passionate.

 

well rested fed and all parts in normal working order just decides to go flat.

 

I know if I aggressively try to recover my erection it could make matters worse and make me seem like a fool or if I just relax enjoy the rest of the time chances are the problem is not a problem at all.

 

I try to read and inquire with the client if this presents a problem for our session if it does i certainly would end the appt no charge.

 

Its a interesting dilemma because a lot of clients wont say it is a issue but go through with the rest of the appt. just to be nice.

 

so its not even on the table to ask bluntly you just have to feel your way through it and see what the outcome is

 

I just had this encounter and this actually happened and it was a purely oral encounter no anal by request. I was erect most of the time till about 15 mins before it ended and for some reason I just lost my hard on.

 

Should I have given the client whom btw was completely taken care from beginning to end a no charge session because of my inability at the last moment to

 

1: get off

2: stay hard the entire time.

 

BTW my getting off was not requested but I like to get off with my clients and think of it as a very important indicator that it was a good session.

 

I can think of all kinds of reasons to justify taking payment.

 

How do I justify returning his money because

Either I don't feel like I delivered and/or do I actually feel like I delivered?

 

I cant say right now but it is a question in my mind.

 

I am fresh from this encounter and not going to grade this post for spelling and grammar so I apologize for that.

 

But I don't think this makes me a bad escort

I am not beating myself up about it.

I just and wondering if others have had this issue or if its happened and what you did about it.

[Businessguy]

Go a bit easier on yourself

 

David - everyone is entitled to an off- day or session. Sounds like you delivered well compared to what a lot of other escorts consider a "great" delivery. Your concern to always perform 100% top notch service is what makes you sooooo good. It's obvious by how you treat every client.

You might be over thinking it a bit and once you see your erection going down during the session, the ensuing stress and panic just makes it worse. Just relax. If it's a short appointment and your's and the client's schedule allows, just extend the time a bit, recover and finish the deed. As you know I've personally experienced your amazing horniness and recovery powers so cut yourself some slack. If this happens, ask the client in a follow-up phone call if they were unsatisfied with your performance. If they were, offer the "complimentary" repeat session at that point. If you've played successfully for 45 minutes of the hour and the client is happy, then I think you've earned your fee. There are other things about making a session successful other than having just an ever-hard cock. You bring more emotion, passion and connection to every session than 90% of all the other escorts out there.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

so its not even on the table to ask bluntly you just have to feel your way through it and see what the outcome is

 

 

Well, here's your outcome - a post asking others about what you should have done.

 

I really think you should have asked your client how and what he felt about it. You could have avoided all this worry for yourself - while at the same time demonstrating interest and care toward your client about how they felt about the time he just spent with you.

 

Assuming that most clients would just be nice and say it didn't bother them is probably a bit presumptuous on your part.

 

When in doubt, Ask.

[+ David-SF]

Just ask

 

Well, here's your outcome - a post asking others about what you should have done.

 

I really think you should have asked your client how and what he felt about it. You could have avoided all this worry for yourself - while at the same time demonstrating interest and care toward your client about how they felt about the time he just spent with you.

 

Assuming that most clients would just be nice and say it didn't bother them is probably a bit presumptuous on your part.

 

When in doubt, Ask.

 

I should have said there may be clients that would not want to say they were dissatified in order to be polite to cover that possibility.

 

I do not believe that happened I believe the client left here happy and content.

 

my post (long and around the ball park way) was more about if I were not happy about the outcome should i provide a refund.

 

this post came in the after thought of the appt. evaluating my own performance and seeing if any other's have had this happen.

 

I assumed that another escort might chime in with their thoughts on it.

 

I do appreciate your point and definatly consider it sage advice.

 

Sometimes its a blurry line and a sensitive one that must be engaged with care and caution so that unwarrented insecurities dont find their way into the encounter.

 

The possability that the client might think it had something to do with them is a far more dauntly risk than i care to take and would want to be assured that they never got that idea into their head.

 

During the session I addressed that in a fun and frisky light hearted manner that took the pressure of the issue itself at the time.

 

Breaking my 24 hour rule before making a post always gets me into some kind of poorly worded bungle situation.

I wish I could just write it out clear and plain.

Complex turns and bad placement of the english laguage are my specialty UGH !!!

but its here now I'll figure it out

Peace & thanks

[alanalt]

Assuming that most clients would just be nice and say it didn't bother them is probably a bit presumptuous on your part.

 

Not so presumptuous, if you knew David...

 

However, I do agree that this is an instance that while the client should be given the opportunity to bring this up first (forgive the double entendre ), if he fails to do so, then the escort should. It may be a 'mood-killer' to openly discuss it, but then the likelihood is that the mood is already faltering and needs to be put out of its misery anyway. I doubt there's a guy on the plus side of 25 who hasn't had this happen to them self at one point or another, so while I agree that 99% of your clients will be totally understanding (and the other 1% can go screw themselves, literally ), deciding what to do about the situation is something that should be mutually decided between escort and client.

 

Possible options you might present to the client could include extending the session a bit to see if the 'beast' can be re-energized, end the session and apply a partial discount, or offer a second partially discounted session at a future date and time. Then you and the client work out which solution to pursue, assuming the client feels that it is even necessary. However, I don't think putting a full refund on the table is at all necessary, but you may choose to do so, if it turns out that the client is in the 1% group mentioned above, just to get rid of him.

 

Alan

[+ newatthis]

I should have said there may be clients that would not want to say they were dissatified in order to be polite to cover that possibility.

 

I do not believe that happened I believe the client left here happy and content...

Sometimes its a blurry line and a sensitive one that must be engaged with care and caution so that unwarrented insecurities dont find their way into the encounter.

 

The possability that the client might think it had something to do with them is a far more dauntly risk than i care to take and would want to be assured that they never got that idea into their head.

 

...However, I do agree that this is an instance that while the client should be given the opportunity to bring this up first..., if he fails to do so, then the escort should.

 

David -- your sensitivity to possible issues with the client's feelings and self-esteem are clear (and admirable). You've persuaded me, anyway, that during or immediately after your sesson were not the right time to address the issue.

 

But if you still have this nagging doubt after 24 hours, why not include some mention of it in your thank-you to the client? I'm sure you'll be able to find an inoffensive way to do so by then, and you might have a surer intuition of how an offer to make up for it -- whatever you decide to offer -- would be received.

[Toulouse]

David,

If you had an engorged hard-on for 45-minutes of the one-hour appointment, I say "job well done." Every client is different, but I for one would not be disappointed in the least. I'm hiring the total package and experience. An escort's cock is just one aspect among many. Even though your big dick is exquisite, there are certainly many other splendid parts of your body the client surely enjoyed during those final 15-minutes together. imho, you should not feel that you must always shoot a load of cum with every client, either, unless this is specifically requested up-front. Sex should be spontaneous and not so prescribed that either person (client or escort) must feel like they've gotta cum-on-command and maintain a raging erection for every moment of the appointment. That's too much pressure. You working guys are human, too--Everyone's hard wood fades on occasion.

 

Today, your client was fortunate to spend a hot hour with one of America's sexiest top escorts and I bet he got his rocks off big-time and left with a huge smile on his face. It is sweet (and important) for you to genuinely care about your clients' satisfaction, but if your "john" was dissatisfied with your performance in any way, he should have mentioned it prior to leaving. Unless he brings it up in your post-session correspondence, I think you can assume he was pleased and will probably be back for more of your 8-inch tool and the rest of your beautiful body too.

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

RE:

 

The biggest..BIGGEST concern I have with a client is making sure they are left wanting more. I feel that it is absolutely more important than any money exchanged. There is not one client I can think of where I feel I dissapointed them..I usually like to know their likes/dislikes up front that way there are no suprises during the meeting and you know what to expect. After the session I ask myself how things went and would they hire me again(I think the answer is pretty obvious during the session). If the question is yes Ive done my job.

 

Sometimes things happen and you cant always "perform". This may have nothing to do with the chemistry just a random act of your body shutting down. Ive had this happen once and offered a substantial discount for another meeting with the client. He was happy to do so again and there were no problems the second time around. I think the key is just communication. I know alot of clients try to be nice and are just happy to have your company but I feel if a service is being paid for..well they should get the service 100%

[Diverdan]

Communication is the key

 

David,

Having had the opportunity to spend a little time with you and frustrated that a couple of other times did not work out, my only comment is that I think you are over thinking it I have had several experiences over the years where a similar situation developed...sometimes with me and sometimes with the escort. In most situations it did not detract from the time we spent together. I am very oral but mostly a top, so when I wilted it was very embarassing at first, but the escort made me feel so special by the way he handled it. I have also had that happen with an escort. In one case it happened almost immediately into the session and it was obvious I was the last appointment in a long string of appointments and there was nothing left to give. The escort did not handle that situation well, primarily because he started talking in a way to try and make me responsible for what happened to him. I never booked him again. However, if your client had 45 minutes with you, and knowing you, I can't imagine how he would be not satisfied. Never the less, I agree that some communication between the two of you would be best, especially if you have seen him before or have the opportunity to see him again. Don't be so hard on yourself, David, although I suspect that your concern for your clients is one of the things that makes you so very, very special.

[Dave]

it’s funny - because although you and i havent met (yet...) i feel i know a lot about you.

 

here’s the widespread public image of David:

he’s got a great cock.

he’s an amazing top.

he’s sexy and can fuck really well.

his 8 inch dick is phenomenal.

he’s a really good fucker.

 

all of this is portrayed in your screen name 8inchtool, your photos, and your videos. and i repeated some of these things to make a point... basically, on the surface, you as an escort are your dick and the way you use it.

 

now, here’s what i’ve heard - and believe is true - about David:

he’s very sensitive - in a good way, i mean.

he’s thoughtful.

he’s kind.

he gives back to the community.

he’s interesting to speak with.

he’s beautiful to look at.

he’s a great guy.

 

this information has come to me over the years in many forms - through your reviews, through stuff written about you on this forum, and through clients that we have in common (oops - is that bad form to say? whatever, it’s the truth, you have a great reputation, and clients talk to me about you sometimes.)

 

based on the top section - no pun intended - i mean the section dealing with your dick and your fucking skills - you are defined with that alone. you must have tremendous pressure to perform as one great fucker, all the time. and then, a really amazing ‘scort needs to shoot his load, too, right?

 

David, i might suggest that in the rare times that you’re not rock hard, you try to relax a little and take the pressure off yourself from having to have a hard dick. although it, and the way you fuck, are great assets, they are not your only assets. relax... you're doing just fine.

[Guest greatness]

Don't be too hard on yourself..

 

I like your professionalism. Don't be too hard yourself. Stress is not good for your health. Talk to your client. If I were the client I usually would not expect a refund but appreciate your consideration. Everybody is different,however, so talk to your client. Take care.

[rvwnsd]

As a client, I would not expect a full refund or a completely comped next session. After all, you were hard and rarin' to go for 75% of the session. If anything, you could offer a rate of 75% of your 1-hour rate, given that you weren't able to perform for the final 25% of the session.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

OR....

 

Or better yet. Make another video and post it to your website, Call it a dramatization, if you will.

 

Recreate all 60 minutes of this call for us, with another escort, and then at the 45 min mark, we can judge exactly where the failure (or non failure) occurred.

 

This way we'll be able to provide you a better insight into what happened (or didn't) and offer, perhaps, a broader scope of assistance to you.

[NYTomcat]

David.

 

The very nature and rationale behind this post speaks volumes about what concerns you and who you are as a man and escort. It is no wonder your reviews and clients are always so complimentary. How could anyone write a negative comment or complain about the service you provided to them after such a post. I would really doubt given the description of This encounter that your client would even consider a fee reduction appropriate.

Having met you the other night myself. I know what a passionate and attentive Guy you are and exactly how much you care about your clients needs.

That said I am concerned that you feared the client felt self conscious about his ability to inspire you. While you may have diverted and handled it in a "fun and frisky lighthearted manner" which I can only imagine, if you believe he carries such an insecurity and worry about the same, I only hope he is not a Lurker or reader here on daddy's. Cause whether he left feeling on top of the world or a little not, he may be very upset too have the encounter which prompted a feeling of insecurity posted on the web. While you have been very clear that this was not his issue, insecurity has a way of creeping in and feeling like the matter has been publicized may only exacerbate that. I do agree with others that a direct approach with him would have been the best for resolving any unresolved feelings over the matter. Just IMHO

[best hotel]

David...just wanted to add my voice to the chorus ......i agree with Toulouse....45 minutes of a rock hard erection is well beyond the norm.......your conscienciousness is inspiring and speaks to your good intentions....your reputation is well-earned and impeccable....and by the way, thanks for the lovely evening the other night....m

[+ David-SF]

Ok lets get this to a close

 

That said I am concerned that you feared the client felt self conscious about his ability to inspire you. While you may have diverted and handled it in a "fun and frisky lighthearted manner" which I can only imagine, if you believe he carries such an insecurity and worry about the same, I only hope he is not a Lurker or reader here on daddy's. Cause whether he left feeling on top of the world or a little not, he may be very upset too have the encounter which prompted a feeling of insecurity posted on the web. While you have been very clear that this was not his issue, insecurity has a way of creeping in and feeling like the matter has been publicized may only exacerbate that.

 

No I did not fear nor believe he has that kind of insecurity I was only speaking from my experinece in the past and how I handle it to ward off any unwarrented insecurities.

 

Answering the thought of my making a broad assumption about clients in general and being presumptous.

 

This was a moment of over thinking and its over anylized by me and carried a far reaching insight into my own insecurities at that time,

I am sure we all have a moment of doubt from time to time.

 

that being said

 

I just want to repeat "I am not beating myself up, I dont think it was a bad encounter on my part, I dont believe this was a subpar experience as a matter of fact it was lovely.

 

I was simply ( in a complex way) asking what other providers/posters would do or think if the shoe were on the their foot.

 

I have had excellent communication with the client whom I am certain does not lurk here and all is well.

 

I certainly appreciate all the positive and crunstructive insight.

It is very helpful to me.

 

The more I learn and the more open I am to your thoughts and feelings the more secure I feel even when the tire on the car goes flat:p.

 

Lastly I thought to myself last night. "should I be kicking myself for this post its really seems to be going in a direction that I had no intention of seeing it go"

 

As much as I would like to control what people see and hear about me this is a perfect example of just how powerless I am to have everything go the way i think it will go.

 

at this point I have to laugh at myself for being a bit too in my head and my heart.

at the moment I made this post being vulnrable is all well and good but right after an erection disconnection probably not the best time to post about it LOL:D :o

[xxxdude]

As a client I guess 45 minutes of full erection fr an escort would be a good deal already, although there will be some who would still be seeking for a cum shot - at d end of d day, what would still matter is the performance and how you treated the client. How you made d client feel during and after d encounter. Honestly, I've been to an escort who couldn't even get hard for 15 minutes and no cum shot even. After I came, he immediately sought for d money and rushing me to leave his place. Having said that, I would say David, you did a pretty good job!

[CowboyUp]

Nothing to Worry About...

 

David,

I concur with "Toulouse," "Greatness" & "Best Hotel." You have nothing to worry about, especially since you've had favorable correspondence with this particular client after the session. Very few escorts I've hired maintain a fully erect boner for the entire hour, nor do I expect them to. There's so many other facets of the sensual experience with a sexy escort beyond the big, hard cock.

 

I also agree with others who've said the fact that you are concerned about this speaks volumes about your 1) integrity, 2) character and 3) genuine sincerity to please each client to the fullest. And, I'll take those 3 qualities over a hour-long hard dick any day. Best regards to you.

[jimboivyo]

Not gonna sit here and heap even more 'isn't she wonderful' praise on this thread, but will say that everyone has an off day. You're entitled to it, not a machine and handled it as you should have. I suspect you knew how most would react on this thread, thus the post.

[gcursor]

I think this is really cool that you, DAVID, took the time to figure out what to do with this issue. This is one of the traits that will continue to separate you from all the rest. It's always refreshing and nice to see people who care about the experience and how things go. Keep it up!

[KMEM]

I think this is really cool that you, DAVID, took the time to figure out what to do with this issue. This is one of the traits that will continue to separate you from all the rest. It's always refreshing and nice to see people who care about the experience and how things go. Keep it up!

 

Wasn't that part of the question?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Racketjock]

We have never met and many of the posters here have shared mostly kind and sage advice. I admire your thoughtfulness and reflection. I think it speaks to your professionalism and care towards your profession, something not often seen much anymore, regardless of the vocation. Can we do better and give more? Usually, but is what you did do and give both honest, with good intent, and with your best effort? IMHO, seems so. Although, not the client in question, this observer says: "Well done!"

 

You remain a classy gentleman in my opinion.

 

Cheers.

[NYTomcat]

Thank you all for the email concerns. While I am certain that a 45 minute adventure with David fully performing at peak condition would be a completely satisfying experience alas this was not mine.

 

Mine was closer to three hours

 

Enough said the rest is just for me a very personal experience

[+ David-SF]

Huh???

 

Not gonna sit here and heap even more 'isn't she wonderful' praise on this thread, I suspect you knew how most would react on this thread, thus the post.

 

Jesus H Fucking Christ !!!!!!

 

Am I reading this post correctly is it like a dig with encouragment

WTF !!

 

I reread my posts they seem pretty straight forward to me I clearly am not looking for praise nor am i trying to weasle a few PR points from anyone here.

 

What a crappy thing to say just because others have mistakenly read the op as if I were down on myself for the encounter.

 

very simply it was a post placed in the "ASK AN ESCORT SECTION "

 

While everyone is free chime in, all you want.

 

I would like it to be noted what I asked was in simple terms

 

"has this happened to you and if so what did you do about it."

 

really that was it

 

I was seeking advice from my contempoaries and anyone with a little background experience in it.

 

calling me "she" and waxing sarcasim about positive input by others here is disrepectful and childish.

 

You know there once was a time when many escorts posted in this forum .

 

I see why now so few escorts ever venture into this place anymore its just insanity to do so.

 

Nowhere does it say you cant be human except it feels like a chore here.

 

This community is a place I thought we could come to for support and input on the work we do and share experiences in the world we live in all of us escorts, posters and clients .

 

You may not know this but some escorts count on a safe forum to discuss matters to improve their craft and gain support to have the fortitude to move through and carry themselves during downtime .

 

Travelling around from hotel to hotel city to city is not always a big old party and there are times when family and friends just dont get it.

 

The reason this place is so importantant to some is just as important to me for the same reasons.

 

posting this topic was a big mistake on my part.

 

I dont think anyone really read the poorly written OP the way I intended it to be understood.

 

If they did I am sure my translation must be far from what everyone else's thoughts are on the subject.

 

What a big fat mess I am done with this topic completely.

 

lesson learned

[Guest greatness]

oh my

 

David can go on like that for 3 hours~~~ I would be dead by then..

 

Thank you all for the email concerns. While I am certain that a 45 minute adventure with David fully performing at peak condition would be a completely satisfying experience alas this was not mine.

 

Mine was closer to three hours

 

Enough said the rest is just for me a very personal experience