The Pope Arrives In Canada

[Guest Thunderbuns]

Did any of you catch on TV today the arrival of the Pope in Canada?

 

He is so feeble that he could hardly walk off the plane. No doubt an indicator of a similar mind.

 

He is addressing World Youth Day (or some such similar name) on Sunday.

 

How can this hypocrite show his face in public at such am event when his own church is filled with child molesters and he refuses to endorse a zero tollerance policy?

 

What's he going to say to the assembled youth? "Don't worry boys and girls. You might get molested by your parish priest, but that's OK if it only happens once. If it happens again, we might look into it"

 

They should boo him off his Pope-mobile. Or worse!

 

Thunderbuns

[Rick Munroe]

I thought he was dead already. God, I'm so out of the loop. Next thing, you're gonna tell me Bob Hope and Ronald Reagan are still alive, too.

[Guest Dougie49]

NOt dead but not seen now days !!!!!!:*

[Guest ssn774]

Solution:

 

Catholics should purge their church of the homosexual, child-molesting clergy.

[BewareofNick]

>

>Solution:

>

>Catholics should purge their church of the homosexual,

>child-molesting clergy.

 

This qualifies as the #1 most unitelligent statement made on this board. (That's saying a lot too). If we were to eliminate the homosexual child molesters, that would still leave 90% of the child molesters in the clergy. The heterosexual ones. Child molestation has nothing to do with sexual orientation and everything to do with mental illness. What a fucking idiot.

[+ imagooddog]

Thank you ! I wish more people realized this.

[Donnie]

>This qualifies as the #1 most unintelligent statement made on this board.

 

Right on.

[BgMstr4u]

Much as Americans like to think that we are the center of the world, from the point of view of the Roman Catholic Church, we are not. The center of the RC and Christian world in general is rapidly shifting to Latin America, the Philippines and Africa, with huge and almost unnnoticed gains in India, Korea and China. The Vatican, rightly or wrongly, views the current hysteria about abuse as a North American elitist issue which pales in significance to the famine, disease, persecution, and explosive growth Christians face in the larger world.

 

JPII is old and infirm. He does not photograph well. But he is a trouper, and rightly believes that most people look beyond the surface and discern his energy, faith and priorities. He appears perfectly capable of analyzing issues and opportunities and setting policy with a long-range perspective, as many people his age are. Most of the world outside Europe, North America and Japan is explosively young and getting younger. Hence his concentration on youth. Most of the world outside Europe and North America is socially and politically authoritarian, in one mode or another, and deeply suspicious of decisions taken in our way -- media-driven, often hysterical, focused for only a short time on an issue, covertly politicized, incompletely reported, and irresponsibly poll driven. Hence his caution in signing off on hasty and draconian solutions to this real problem. Most of the world outside Europe and North America is deeply patriarchal, and JPII knows that the Church must function within cultures as well as challenge them. Hence his lack of concern for cutting edge gender and abuse issues from the first world. His long run goal is the numerical expansion of Christianity and the RC church, and so far, with that job description, he is doing a spectacularly good job.

 

I am not Roman Catholic, but admire the Church and the Pope -- while not agreeing with every policy or decision he and it takes. I think all of us should be glad that Christianity has such a determined and successful leader, espcially since the real-world alternative (again, outside Europe and North America) is resurgent, intolerant, Sharia-based Islam.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>>

>>Solution:

>>

>>Catholics should purge their church of the homosexual,

>>child-molesting clergy.

>

>This qualifies as the #1 most unitelligent statement made on

>this board. (That's saying a lot too). If we were to

>eliminate the homosexual child molesters, that would still

>leave 90% of the child molesters in the clergy. The

>heterosexual ones. Child molestation has nothing to do with

>sexual orientation and everything to do with mental illness.

> What a fucking idiot.

 

I think you are being too hard on ssn774 and have no right to call him a "fucking idiot",

 

His point is well taken. I am quite aware that it is not only homosexuals who molest children. But - in the Catholic clergy debacle

I have only read of priests molesting young males. If there are cases of priests molesting young girls then it certainly hasn't been widely reported by the media. Your premise is that for every one priest molesting boys there are 10 molesting girls. Could you please tell us where you get your figures from.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>The Vatican, rightly or

>wrongly, views the current hysteria about abuse as a North

>American elitist issue which pales in significance to the

>famine, disease, persecution, and explosive growth

>Christians face in the larger world.

 

You consider child molestation to be an "elitist issue"?

>

>JPII is old and infirm. He does not photograph well. But he

>is a trouper, and rightly believes that most people look

>beyond the surface and discern his energy, faith and

>priorities.

 

One of which should be the protection of children from his debauched underlings.

 

He appears perfectly capable of analyzing

>issues and opportunities and setting policy with a

>long-range perspective, as many people his age are.

 

In other words - he is an opportunist.

 

>Most of the world outside Europe

>and North America is socially and politically authoritarian,

>in one mode or another, and deeply suspicious of decisions

>taken in our way -- media-driven, often hysterical, focused

>for only a short time on an issue,

 

Would you consider your reaction to be hysterical if you, your son, or a nephew had been molested by a priest - the one individual you think you could trust above all others?

 

>Hence his caution in signing off on hasty and draconian solutions

>to this real problem.

 

Give me a break! It's a "draconian solution" to dismiss a priest who not only molests a child but also breaks the law of the country?

What planet have you just zoomed in from?

 

>His long run goal is the numerical expansion of Christianity and the >RC church, and so far, with that job description, he is doing a

>spectacularly good job.

 

His long term goal is to fill the coffers of the Vatican and if others get trampled on in the effort - so be it.

 

>I am not Roman Catholic

 

You could have fooled me!

 

Thunderbuns

[+ Lucky]

Yes, from where do you get your figure?

[Rick Munroe]

>Most of the world outside Europe, North America and Japan is

>explosively young and getting younger.

 

Wow, they've found the secret to eternal youth? They should escort.

[straightshooter]

the underlying cause of priests' absolutely reprehensible behavior is the catholic church's official prohibition on sex, including the prohibition on homosexual sex. let the priests fuck or be fucked by whomever they want, just as long as it is CONSENSUAL.

only then will the hypocrisy and forced rape of young boys (and girls) stop.

[Chuck50]

I think he was saying it was Father's as in Dads of the kids, other clergy of other faiths as well and other profession's probably not escorts but most other groups. If you blame this all on the Pope then you havent a clue how the Catholic Church, this or any church or society works. It's easy to sit back and critize someone else. If you don't understand Bureacy or Hierarchy then figture it out. The church and the U.S. are not the only ones I would think your own country the HOst to this WYD that you are yelling about has it's own struggle with beaurecracy and power just like everywhere else. It's not as easy as you suggest so don't condemn other's. What has been done is not right but you make no effort to differenciate, just to condemn the priest's, the pope and all those Catholics. It is sad that they are getting all the attention but the real problem is our own as a human population loosing site of human values and human worth as we all must take the blame for that, the media, the sex for all, more is better, materialism. Not just those who happen to hit the Media each day and have local leaders who make bad decisions( BISHOPS) I would think that most could see through all this but I guess there is to much to ask.

[+ Lucky]

RE: The Pope Arrives

 

I like the "explosively young" part.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: The Pope Arrives

 

>I like the "explosively young" part.

 

Yeah, that's hot. Now...the question is, "Where do they explode?" In the condom or across your back? :9

[Guest SeaGuy]

In defense of ssn, he's simply trying to point out, in an facetious way, the dilemma that the Catholic church finds itself in. I also think the RC views this as largely a problem and phenomena that has come about within the social and ideological framework of US society and that doesn't necessarily extend beyond post-industrial northern countries and cultures.

 

Many straight priests BTW feel precisely that way though.

[BewareofNick]

>>>

>>>Solution:

>>>

>>>Catholics should purge their church of the homosexual,

>>>child-molesting clergy.

>>

>>This qualifies as the #1 most unitelligent statement made on

>>this board. (That's saying a lot too). If we were to

>>eliminate the homosexual child molesters, that would still

>>leave 90% of the child molesters in the clergy. The

>>heterosexual ones. Child molestation has nothing to do with

>>sexual orientation and everything to do with mental illness.

>> What a fucking idiot.

>

>I think you are being too hard on ssn774 and have no right

>to call him a "fucking idiot",

 

I am sorry, let me clarify. IN MY OPINION, he's a fucking idiot. The right for me to call him that comes from the First Amendment of the US Constitution. Read it some time.

 

 

>His point is well taken. I am quite aware that it is not

>only homosexuals who molest children. But - in the Catholic

>clergy debacle

>I have only read of priests molesting young males. If there

>are cases of priests molesting young girls then it certainly

>hasn't been widely reported by the media. Your premise is

>that for every one priest molesting boys there are 10

>molesting girls. Could you please tell us where you get your

>figures from.

>

>Thunderbuns

 

Since I can see that you truly do not understand, let me explain it to you. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with whether a person molests a child. A heterosexual child molester is just as likely to molest a boy as a homosexual one.

 

Here's a couple of different sources:

 

http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/section16.html As 7/12/94 article in USA Today "Child Molesters Rarely Homosexual" points out a child is 100 times as likely to be sexually abused by a heterosexual than a gay adult. It's unfair to connect pedophile with gay or lesbians.

 

The view that homosexuals are likely child molesters often underlies custody challenges filed against gay parents and the dismissal of gay Boy Scout and youth group leaders.

 

Dr. Carole Jenny of the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, studied 269 sexual abused children examined during one year at Denver Children's Hospital. Investigation shows:

 

80% of girls were molested by a man who was or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the child's mother or another relative. 75% of boys were abused by males in heterosexual relationships with female relatives.

 

Only 1 of 219 girls was molested by a lesbian; 1 out of 50 boys by a gay male. This is a much lower percentage than the likely 6-10% of the population that is homosexual, therefore the incidence of gays molesting is much lower than the rate for heterosexuals.

 

http://www.stopchildmolestation.org/pages/study.html THE ABEL AND HARLOW STOP CHILD MOLESTATION STUDY (Released April 2, 2002)

By Gene G. Abel, M.D., and Nora Harlow

 

11. Sexual orientation: More than 70 percent of the men who molest boys rate themselves as heterosexual in their adult sexual preferences. In addition, 9 percent report that they are equally heterosexual and homosexual. Only 8 percent report that they are exclusively homosexual. The majority of the men who molest boys are also married, divorced, widowed, or living with an adult partner.

 

http://www.wcasa.org/pages/lesbigay.html Another common myth about LGBT people is that they are child molesters. This is also untrue; in fact a groundbreaking study of sexual-abuse offenders concluded that a heterosexual adult is more likely to be a threat to children than a homosexual adult is. (Groth AN, Men Who Rape, Plenum Press, NY, 1979.

 

So now you know.

[Guest gentle guy]

Thanks for the data and the references, BON. Equating homosexuality with pedophilia does a grave injustice to all who are innocent. It directs attention away from those who are truly guilty, thus allowing the abuse to continue.

One more fact to process: There is a subset of child molesters who will molest any child, regardless of gender. However, same-gender molestation always seems to get more headlines.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>If you don't

>understand Bureacy or Hierarchy then figture it out. The

>church and the U.S. are not the only ones I would think your

>own country the HOst to this WYD that you are yelling about

>has it's own struggle with beaurecracy and power just like

>everywhere else.

 

Your reading skills appear to be somewhat limited. I was not "yelling" about WYD - I was condemning the Pope. And what does "beaurecracy and power" have to do with it?

 

What has been done is not right but you

>make no effort to differenciate, just to condemn the

>priest's, the pope and all those Catholics.

 

I never condemned "all those Catholics". You really like to put words in people's mouths, don't you?

 

>but the real problem is

>our own as a human population loosing site of human values

>and human worth as we all must take the blame for that, the

>media, the sex for all, more is better, materialism.

 

Would you like to explain to us lesser minds just how "more is better, and materialism" causes the Pope to ignore the deviants in his clergy?

 

>Not just those who happen to hit the Media each day and have

>local leaders who make bad decisions( BISHOPS) I would think

>that most could see through all this but I guess there is to

>much to ask.

 

I'm not talking about the BISHOPS, I'm talking about the Head Honcho who isn't concerned enough about the problem to endorse a zero tollerance policy. The man is morally bankrupt!

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>I am sorry, let me clarify. IN MY OPINION, he's a fucking

>idiot. The right for me to call him that comes from the

>First Amendment of the US Constitution. Read it some time.

 

You are being just plain obtuse to drag out your constitution as you excuse for rudeness. If you disagree with him you can express that without calling him a "fucking idiot". Instead of me reading your constitution, why don't you read the latest rules of this message board?

 

>Since I can see that you truly do not understand, let me

>explain it to you. Sexual orientation has nothing to do

>with whether a person molests a child. A heterosexual child

>molester is just as likely to molest a boy as a homosexual

>one.

 

If you truly think that the child molesting priests were hetrosexual, I feel sorry for you. Your head is stuck so far into the sand, you must be able to see China by now.

 

Some people will go to any lengths to defend homosexuals regardless of right or wrong. Get a grip, before reality escapes you alltogether.

 

Thunderbuns

[+ Lucky]

Thunderbunny, didn't you just use capital letters to tell someone in another thread that he is PATHETIC? Now, how is that so different from saying he is a fucking idiot?

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Thunderbunny, didn't you just use capital letters to tell

>someone in another thread that he is PATHETIC? Now, how is

>that so different from saying he is a fucking idiot?

 

I guess it all has to do with the word "fucking". If he had just called him an idiot - so be it.

 

When I called someone pathetic, I didn't add the word "fucking" in front of it.

 

I am not a prude. I love the word fuck, use it a fair bit and find it can often be used when all other words fail.

 

BUT....... in view of our attempts to abide by the new rules for posting here, I think the term "fucking", in this instance, was uncalled for and downright rude.

 

If you disagree, Lucky, that's your perogative.

 

Thunderbuns

[+ Lucky]

RE: The Pope's Perogative

 

Thank God for perogatives! I tended to agree the guy was an idiot. How "fucking" I dunno. The Pope, on the other hand, I think is evil.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: The Pope's Perogative

 

>Thank God for perogatives! I tended to agree the guy was an

>idiot. How "fucking" I dunno. The Pope, on the other hand, I

>think is evil.

 

Well at least we can agree on something :-)

 

Thunderbuns