Hot Vid Of David & Roman?

[uwsman2]

re the video clip

 

Actually, David has on his website the entire lengthy clip, in two parts, together with an interview clip, all of which are available on his listing for rentmen as well.

 

I find the clip with Romann to be totally hot, and a big incentive to hire David at some point in the future when our schedules coincide. It seems that if your goal is to get righteously fucked by a very well hung guy who is a total class act, he's the man....

[+ Lucky]

One Thing

 

One criticism that has gone unmentioned is the brightness of the lamps. Couldn't they have dimmed them a little bit?

[uwsman2]

vids not there

 

Having taken a visit to david-sf's website last night to look at these clips again, I found they were no longer there, and to watch them on rentmen.com, you have to be a paid member.... Too bad.

[+ sf westcoaster]

The videos are still available on xtube. Search for David-SF

[Toulouse]

It's No Big Deal...

 

OMG. Is it really that big of a deal that some of us are turned-on by these amateur porn videos while others may find them "unsavory"? Are we surprised that some guys are only interested in hiring escorts that appear in porn flicks, while others would never hire escorts who appear in hard-core porn? By producing and distributing a sex video, David and Romann benefit from the magnificent exposure, but also open themselves to to greater scrutiny--it comes with the territory. Everyone here is entitled to voice their opinion and we should not get too defensive if someone says they are not attracted to our favorite escort or if another poster indicates he prefers a "classier" escort.

 

All the escorts that I've ever met are mature, emotionally stable big boys. They benefit from our praise and adoration and financial contributions. Surely they possess the intestinal fortitude required to receive criticism, regardless whether their "fans" feel such criticism is warranted. This is a forum comprised of many different voices and viewpoints--not just a cheerleading squad where only positive words can be spoken. "jimboivyo" had every right to give his opinion and others have the right to defend these two escorts. It's lively discussion that makes this MC interesting and useful.

 

I watched the steamy sex video featuring David and Romann--they are both obviously passionate men. I ultimately felt less compelled to hire either of them after watching their video, but am confident they will both continue to prosper from their many satisfied clients who do find them attractive.

[Bart]

Toulouse I am much more comfrotable with your reply than Jimbos. It was strickly the use of the word classless that did not seem to apply. I hired both long before this video was made. His first post was fine I did not think he needed to reemphasize the issue with the second.

 

I actually completely agree that there will be some who are turned off that they have a sex video. If you have had the time to visit rentmen you will see there is a wide variety of videos from just conversation to sex. One of the biggest complaints I read is they dont match the pictures well I think videos tend to put that to rest.

 

Even though David can say he may not be as classy as the next guy, that is hogwash. Both Romann and he are true professionals and they chose to expand their role in the market place via this type of advertising.

 

So what might be better suited from here on is a discussion with the gentlemen what modes of advertising are acceptable to most and give the gentlemen the best bang for the buck.

[NYTomcat]

Actually toulouse. I also am in complete agreement with you. I have no problem that the video has a tendency to disuade some clients from hiring. In fact, I myself have told Romann this on at least one occassion, in fact I mentioned it to him just a few days ago. No I dont find it a lure to hiring, quite the opposite in fact. But I am not every hirer and many will be induced to hire by the nature of the film.

 

That said, I don't believe that classless is a term properly used to describe David, his own comments notwithstanding. and I am certain beyond any shadow of a doubt it has no use as concerns Romann. So I agree with you and Jim's impression to the extent the video may or may not induce hiring and may even dissuade someone like me (luckily I had met Romann already). That said, I'm not cheerleading or worried about his lack of intestinal fortitude. Rather, I don't think Jim gets the right to label the individuals as lacking class based solely on that video.

 

If we really want to define class, I am certain many people's impression of the word would not include any escorts or their hirers for that matter. I find it the ultimate in arrogance for anyone who uses this site, reads the reviews, hopefully writes the reviews, and engages in our conversations, to think they sit above others passing class judgments on any of the clients or escorts here. Do I find certain fetishes and act unsavory, sure. Just as others would find my taste similarly unappealing. I firmly agree expressing that opinion is fine. In fact it works to better the escorts involved and the overall experience. But let he who is without sin cast the first judgemental stone. People in glass houses and all...

[AdamSmith]

Why even bother hiring them when you could just watch the video?

 

As purplekow and RockHard have said better than I can: it is difficult to fuck a video.

 

Stupid marketing move (imo) on their part in sharing it with the world.

 

A commercial should be made and then NOT shown? I can hear RockHard laughing at that, all the way from where I sit now. Rightly so.

 

it's still a little unsavory for my tastes.

 

See Epigonos’s distinction between Aunt Lucy’s tea party and this web site. Possibly your driver dropped you at the wrong address?

 

I guess we're all turned on by different things.

 

Evidently. Either by fucking, or not.

 

I like my guys a little more on the classy side

 

As you have seen, that crack is what offended a number of people here who have some firsthand basis for judging Romann (me among them), David (ASAP!) or both.

 

Of course Toulouse is right that everyone here has the right to express their opinion. And then to suffer others’ responses in turn.

[CowboyUp]

Well said, Toulouse...

 

OMG. Is it really that big of a deal that some of us are turned-on by these amateur porn videos while others may find them "unsavory"? Are we surprised that some guys are only interested in hiring escorts that appear in porn flicks, while others would never hire escorts who appear in hard-core porn? By producing and distributing a sex video, David and Romann benefit from the magnificent exposure, but also open themselves to to greater scrutiny--it comes with the territory. Everyone here is entitled to voice their opinion and we should not get too defensive if someone says they are not attracted to our favorite escort or if another poster indicates he prefers a "classier" escort.

 

All the escorts that I've ever met are mature, emotionally stable big boys. They benefit from our praise and adoration and financial contributions. Surely they possess the intestinal fortitude required to receive criticism, regardless whether their "fans" feel such criticism is warranted. This is a forum comprised of many different voices and viewpoints--not just a cheerleading squad where only positive words can be spoken. "jimboivyo" had every right to give his opinion and others have the right to defend these two escorts. It's lively discussion that makes this MC interesting and useful.

 

Thank you, Toulouse. I have been watching this thread for a couple of days now and wanted to chime in, but was having difficulty putting my objective thoughts into print without sounding biased for either David/Romann or jimboivyo. You have articulated my sentiments precisely. I would just add that jimboivyo could have used a better choice of word(s) other than the highly judgemental labels "unsavory" and "classier." I understand where he's coming from, though I don't necessarily agree with his perspective.

[RockHard]

I love BRAVE escorts who are willing to show some creativity.

 

First, I see no "big deal" here. It's not like anyone's driving this thread to extinction and/or being threatened with a ban. The subject of escort videos is a good one. I'll bet a lot of escorts appreciate hearing what we paying observers have to say about this future trend.

 

I don't have any problem with the words "unsavory" and "classy" but what do they mean in the context of an amateur porn video? Jimboi threw words out there but he didn't bother to explain them well. For all we know jimboi is escort competition in hiding who doesn't like David/Romann stealing more attention. One never knows the truth around here. (Not accusing, just sayin'.)

 

Do the words "class" and "unsavory" have any place in porn? Is there a classy way to lick a man's ass or suck his cock? Is there a tasteful way to fuck another guy's ass? What exactly is unsavory about two naked men fucking? At least the men weren't 400-pound hairy walruses. Or are we talking production values here?

 

If we are talking production values, OK, the lighting made the scene look seedy. The dirty-yellow wash has this urine-over-the lens look. For me, that's an effect and lighting effects can make an artistic statement. Let's face it, a lot of guys are turned on by urine. One could view the atmospheric suggestion of urine as hot. Seedy sex is a serious turn-on for many. You may not like this artistic touch but it may not have anything to do with the male actors personally. It's not like they set out to create a Disney feel.

 

David-sf and Romann don't look like pretty Bel Ami boys to me. I don't see these guys with too much make-up, glamour lights, being photographed in a 5-star hotel room. Some faces should never be Photoshopped (Javier Bardem). Clean and pretty can ruin raw masculinity. I think the gritty nature of David/Romann's video works. I would take their next fuck outside, on a slightly overcast day in a secluded forest. I'd love to direct it.

[+ Lucky]

"For all we know jimboi is escort competition in hiding who doesn't like David/Romann stealing more attention. One never knows the truth around here. (Not accusing, just sayin'.)"

 

It could just be that jimboi has different tastes. He has made it clear in earlier posts that Benjamin Nicholas is his favorite escort, and Benjamin is not similar in appeal to David and Romann. Different strokes, as they say.

[doitb4ugo]

Hot Guys..Hot Action..Terrific Men

 

Actually toulouse. I also am in complete agreement with you. I have no problem that the video has a tendency to disuade some clients from hiring. In fact, I myself have told Romann this on at least one occassion, in fact I mentioned it to him just a few days ago. No I dont find it a lure to hiring, quite the opposite in fact. But I am not every hirer and many will be induced to hire by the nature of the film.

 

 

While I find the David/Romann videos to be super hot, I found that having viewed that video prior to my first escort experience, scared the crap out of me....I could not visualize myself in either role and was at a loss for what to expect from my session when I certainly could not live up to their hot action. I have found for me that I need very much to separate porn from live action. They are a completely different form of reality for me...despite seeming to be similar in context. maybe as I gain experience, the two will come closer together...that would indeed be hot. As for David and Romann, from what have experienced here in the forum, both of these guys are incredible, warm, kind and generous men who should be proud of who they are (though they certainly do not need me to make them so).

[whipped guy]

Staring Doitb4ugo...

 

I have found for me that I need very much to separate porn from live action. They are a completely different form of reality for me...despite seeming to be similar in context. maybe as I gain experience, the two will come closer together...that would indeed be hot.

 

I used to watch porn... now very rarely... as the real thing is so much better... and especially when BDSM is involved. And yes! Eventually the "two will come closer together"... you will feel as though you are in your own porno flick and you are the star... At least for me that is the essence of it all! So much so that other than viewing porn to get ideas how to choreograph a scene it really interests me very little.

[jimboivyo]

"For all we know jimboi is escort competition in hiding who doesn't like David/Romann stealing more attention. One never knows the truth around here. (Not accusing, just sayin'.)"

 

It could just be that jimboi has different tastes. He has made it clear in earlier posts that Benjamin Nicholas is his favorite escort, and Benjamin is not similar in appeal to David and Romann. Different strokes, as they say.

 

 

Not going to apologize for my direct choice of words, but I'll say that everyone finds different types of men attractive. What I'm looking for is a guy who can travel with me, show me new things, run comfortably with the higher end of life and handle himself in many different situations. Sure, it's hot to watch a fuck video of David and Roman, but they're not the kind of guys I'm ever going to bring to table. To understand my way of thinking is to also know that I don't hire for a single hour or even an overnight. When I see an escort, it's at least a full weekend. A hot fuck is hot, but what's hotter is knowing who you're sleeping with and getting to see different sides of their personality through longer time frames together.

 

As for BN, yes, he's my favorite escort out there. Admit that freely. He's a longer-term type of escort and fits into my life perfectly. I've never met another guy in his twenties that's as grounded, driven and smart. To me, this isn't a comparison of Benjamin and anyone else- It's just a difference of very subjective opinion.

[doitb4ugo]

Don't Shoot The Messenger

 

Jimboivyo, I respect both your opinion about your own tastes as well as your right to voice it here in the forum. I applaud you standing on your convictions throughout this thread (elsewhere I'm sure as well). This would be a poorer place if we all held to some notion of "group think" or conventional wisdom.

 

I have stated earlier that I have a high regard for both David (whom I am not acquainted with other than his persona here on the board) and Romann, whom I have met, and who also hold in high regard and value.

 

I have not been on this forum long enough to know or understand a lot of the "triggers" which seem to be pulled at a moments notice. It is funny that you can see the bullets coming but are not sure how the feud got started. Neither here nor there. I just wanted to show some support for your position and rights here on this forum.

[Romann]

Not going to apologize for my direct choice of words, but I'll say that everyone finds different types of men attractive.

 

Thought I would pop my head in on this thread now that a good amount of time has passed.

 

I don't think anyone is asking for you to apologize for your choice of words/suggestion about myself and David not being "classy" or not "classy" enough. I would like to think that posters are more concerned with your choice of words without any advanced knowledge supported by encounters with David or myself both together and separate. I must say, your suggestion that myself or David not be "classy" or not "classy" enough due to a marketing video was unfortunate but you have your opinion and applaud the fact that you are firmly standing next to your chosen though interesting selection of words. Different strokes for different folks is the key theme here. But, like David has stated in previous posts, 6 million hits on the video resulting in one complaint (that I'm aware of) is a good day in my book so I'll let the math speak to and justify the video.

 

David is a fine individual hands down and I say that openly and honestly supported by many posters from both clients and escorts which IMHO speaks highly of an individual. Beyond the compliments and wonderful reviews, David whom I fondly call Master David is at heart a sincere and honest man which is rare these days. While both MD and I don't see eye to eye on many issues, at the end of the day is he a very respectable man both personally and professionally. To suggest or directly say that MD isn't classy is flat out incorrect and I will certainly step up to the plate on that one though I certainly know that many others will openly stand with me. He may not appeal to everyone but that certainly doesn't make someone less than or not as classy as the next guy. When push comes to shove, MD delivers and exceeds expectations coupled with a sincere and honest man are all examples of why I find him to be a classy guy. He certainly has my vote and I've spent the time both professionally and personally with him on a number of occasions and probably again on my upcoming trip to SF towards the end of this month. Hats off to you MD.

 

I am curious and certainly would like to hear your suggestions as to what specifically about the video appears to be a "stupid" marketing tool or how the video projects us in a bad light. I certainly won't challenge your thoughts but would like to invite you to an open/friendly exchange about it as I'm genuinely interested.

 

That said, I would like to extend a very warm thank you for all the video supporters as each of the comment does go to heart and will not be forgotten along with other suggestions as they are taken seriously for possible upcoming videos with David and I. You've all been wonderful with your support and warm comments and suggestions so again, thank you and hats off to each of you fine gentlemen.

[Romann]

Right!

 

One criticism that has gone unmentioned is the brightness of the lamps. Couldn't they have dimmed them a little bit?

 

This has been the common recommendation and I agree that the lighting was a bit too high but David and I wanted to make sure that all our viewers didn't miss anything and everything was well lit and in sight.

 

I would like to invite Prince Lucky to be our next master of lighting! Thank you for the constructive suggestion!

[+ Lucky]

 

I would like to invite Prince Lucky to be our next master of lighting! Thank you for the constructive suggestion!

 

 

I accept!

[Guest greatness]

Attending all those artistic plays

 

finally paid off. I think our Lucky will be next James Cameron! Let's make Avatar 2. Any investors? PVT me.

 

I accept!

[+ David-SF]

Interesting sweeping assumption

 

but they're not the kind of guys I'm ever going to bring to table. To understand my way of thinking is to also know that I don't hire for a single hour or even an overnight. When I see an escort, it's at least a full weekend. A hot fuck is hot, but what's hotter is knowing who you're sleeping with and getting to see different sides of their personality through longer time frames together.

.

 

Are you assuming the Romann nor I dont get know the men we are hired by ?

That we dont go on adventures all over the world are not apart of dinners at very nice places sometimes with family and friends of the gentlemen that hire us.

 

Extended encounters & travel make up a large percentage of a providers lifestyle and experience.

 

I appreciate that you have found a "well reviewed and highly sought after escort" that fits into your life so well.

 

Your post takes me to this quote which I always find helpful when ever I think I have a "very subjective opinion"

about others.

 

Which shuts my mind to the possibilities that exisit.

 

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation”http://thinkexist.com/i/sq/as4.gif Herbert Spencer

[Guest greatness]

well

 

I don't think jimboivyo meant any harm. He is just expressing his opinion. Let's leave it at that and move on. Now we need a nice summer movie~~ What shall I watch...

[Guest alanm]

What I'm looking for is a guy who can travel with me, show me new things, run comfortably with the higher end of life and handle himself in many different situations. Sure, it's hot to watch a fuck video of David and Roman, but they're not the kind of guys I'm ever going to bring to table. To understand my way of thinking is to also know that I don't hire for a single hour or even an overnight. When I see an escort, it's at least a full weekend. A hot fuck is hot, but what's hotter is knowing who you're sleeping with and getting to see different sides of their personality through longer time frames together.

 

 

 

I do not know David. But, in the interest of fairness, I want to call your attention to David's review #50 by SFWestcoaster concerning their recent trip to Africa. David's full participation in the trip, including the planning, seems to be the escort model many of us are looking for, including you.

 

I was not crazy about the Romann-David video either (same reason as Lucky, perhaps a little stronger), so I am glad that I did some research on David. I already know that Romann is a great person from a friend who hired him and personal contact on this site.

[NYTomcat]

Not going to apologize for my direct choice of words, but I'll say that everyone finds different types of men attractive. What I'm looking for is a guy who can travel with me, show me new things, run comfortably with the higher end of life and handle himself in many different situations. Sure, it's hot to watch a fuck video of David and Roman, but they're not the kind of guys I'm ever going to bring to table. To understand my way of thinking is to also know that I don't hire for a single hour or even an overnight. When I see an escort, it's at least a full weekend. A hot fuck is hot, but what's hotter is knowing who you're sleeping with and getting to see different sides of their personality through longer time frames together.

 

As for BN, yes, he's my favorite escort out there. Admit that freely. He's a longer-term type of escort and fits into my life perfectly. I've never met another guy in his twenties that's as grounded, driven and smart. To me, this isn't a comparison of Benjamin and anyone else- It's just a difference of very subjective opinion.

 

Funny I am labeled as the king of the BFE. Never hiring (except on very rare occasion) for less than an overnight. In fact, I have never met with Romann for less than a weekend. In fact my hiring generally runs closer to 4 days at a time. So I also understand your issues. I dont sleep with men indiscriminately. I need to know who I am with. I want to know their likes, quirks, lives. Hell ask Romann I can be down right intrusive.

 

Now in those experiences with the man let me be clear. its not days of hot sex. wait... its not only days of hot sex. Just a little review, 5 star hotels, a grand opening, museums, broadway premiere and backstage. Some of the finer dining establishments in three states. I have introduced him to family members. I have introduced him to business associates (bankers and politicians nonetheless) All of whom Have found him not just presentable but charming and entertaining company (ps and they were not even having sex with him) So once again Jim... you do yourself wrong.

 

I do understand your feelings. In fact I have never met BN but have on numerous occasions defended him from what I thought were ruthless attacks on this forum because people who do not know him were making assumptions about who he his and how he works. I find it offensive when its done to him and even more so here to someone I do know. Im not here cheerleading and Im the first to call a mistake what it is. Do I love the video ... NO. I dont as I have said. However, casting aspersions on an escort as not being presentable to be at the "table" is just a sign of your limited knowledge, lack of experience and faulty assumptions. Perhaps you should venture beyond BN and see the world as it truly is.

 

This has been the common recommendation and I agree that the lighting was a bit too high but David and I wanted to make sure that all our viewers didn't miss anything and everything was well lit and in sight.

 

I would like to invite Prince Lucky to be our next master of lighting! Thank you for the constructive suggestion!

 

HMM excuse me... ok just cause i dont like the video im out. perhaps you have an opening for production ass't, camera man, oh I'm not sure what the grip does but I love the title in this context.

[+ purplekow]

While we are getting jobs on the next Romann David film can I apply for Best Boy. Well Best Boy (did you age badly)

[NYTomcat]

Wait wait. Forget grip how about body double. Or better yet fluffier.