ciao, papi

[Donnie]

>I take my hat off to

>whoever thought of it.

 

I'd suggest keeping the hat on until you've taken care of that pesky dandruff problem. It isn't pretty. No wonder no one will let you hire them, smegulation.

[bluenix]

His Pics Were Fun?

 

>I really hated most of Jizz's politics, and sometimes he was

>over the top. But he never deserved the hate, animosity and

>rank behavior of Ethan, and this stuff above. His pics were

>fun, even the cow when he was called on the carpet for

>wasting bandwidth, and he put thought and effort in his

>posts. As far as the gunshot, I never heard of it, and

>couldn't find any common word in the search function. Ditto

>Payless.

 

If you read "hate, animosity and rank behavior" into my post, you are mistaken. I'm just not a bleeding heart when it comes to people who are in trouble.

 

How, I'm wondering, does saying, "his pics were fun," help?

 

I can provide the link to last summer's post, if it matters, however first see Jizz's comment below.

[trilingual]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

Hey, Jizz --

 

The very best of luck sorting out the demons that led you to a suicide attempt. I'd be willing to bet it wasn't just one thing. I hope you find the insight and peace you need to go on with your life. In spite of all the shit that happens, or gets thrown in our way, life can still be wonderful, and the alternative, in most cases, isn't that appealing! :-)

 

Someone asked if we were all sex addicts. I'm not an expert in the field, but my guess that sex (or escort) addiction is pretty much like all other addictions: If having sex or hiring escorts is ALL you think about; if you'll do ANYTHING to get sex or hire an escort; if you find yourself spending all your time and/or all your money looking for sex or hiring escorts, to the point where you have no time for work/family/friends or any money to pay for rent/food/bills then the chances are really, really good that you're an addict and not merely a recreational user.

[ad rian]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

>If having sex or

>hiring escorts is ALL you think about; if you'll do ANYTHING

>to get sex or hire an escort; if you find yourself spending

>all your time and/or all your money looking for sex or

>hiring escorts, to the point where you have no time for

>work/family/friends or any money to pay for rent/food/bills

>then the chances are really, really good that you're an

>addict and not merely a recreational user.

 

It still sounds like psychobabble to me. If someone works and has friends, but has a hobby of hiring escorts or chatting about them in his spare time, that does not sound like an addiction to me. My friend in Miami, practices law all day, goes to Karate every night for a couple of hours, and then comes home and practices the piano. Would any one call him an addict? No, they would just say he had two hobbies, albeit ones that are more socially "acceptable" than ours.

[Guest bottomboykk]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

Ad: you're confusing what others are saying. It's not the hiring of escorts or participating in this board that indicates addiction. For most here, it IS just a hobby, and IMHO a healthy one. But for some people, escorts and sex in general take over their lives, consuming them. For those, it has become an addiction, and they need help. At the point it's no longer a hobby. From your description, it doesn't sound like your friend is addicted to karate or piano.

 

It's the same as with alcohol. Most people can drink, even get drunk on occasion, without it controlling their lives. However, some get to the point where it consumes their lives; they become addicted to it, and they need help.

[Guest regulation]

>>I take my hat off to

>>whoever thought of it.

>

>I'd suggest keeping the hat on until you've taken care of

>that pesky dandruff problem. It isn't pretty. No wonder no

>one will let you hire them, smegulation.

 

Donnie, some here may remember Jizz fondly for posting some interesting pictures and engaging in some interesting discussions, but no one will ever remember you for anything other than being a shitbag who posted a string of moronic insults.

[Will]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

Jizz, I am very, very happy for you. I know for a fact that SLAA works. Please check your messages box for a couple of words in private. All best things to you, Will

[Guest regulation]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

>Thanks Reggie for pointing out about the

>homeless kids that I did, in fact, take advantage of. I

>think my original post mentionedthat. Hope you don't mind if

>I find the rest of your comments irrelevant and tiresome at

>this time.

 

 

I had a notion that you were just jerking everyone around when you said you would no longer visit this board.

 

You can always count on me to point out the simple truths that so many of this site's members prefer to ignore. Like the truth that anyone who takes advantage of desperate, drug-addicted homeless kids to get sex cheaply is an evil son of a bitch. So is anyone who condones or excuses that behavior.

 

I won't give a free pass to someone who does evil shit like that simply because he says the magic words, "I'm in recovery." Anyone who would is a goddamn fool.

 

>And to those who think that that sex addiction is

>psychobabble designed to let irresponsible culprits off the

>hook, I'd present . . .

 

. . . more psychobabble. As I once told you, I do volunteer work in which I deal with people who have done some very bad things. They sound exactly like you. Never have I heard one of them say, "I did that because I don't give a shit about anyone but myself." They've picked up phrases like "I'm in recovery," and "I was sick when I did that," from television and magazines and they repeat them because they think there are plenty of credulous dolts who will believe them. Unfortunately, they're right about that.

[ad rian]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

>But for some people, escorts and sex in

>general take over their lives, consuming them. For those, it

>has become an addiction, and they need help. At the point

>it's no longer a hobby. From your description, it doesn't

>sound like your friend is addicted to karate or piano.

 

My point is that if someone moves from the office to Karate to Piano and then off to bed, isn't he addicted. When I show up in Miami, we can only hook up after the Piano, around 11:00p.m. I always ask him how he will keep this up when he is in a relationship. I never called it an addiction, but if it is not an addiction, I wonder how much of one's life has to be consumed with escorts before it ceases to be just a hobby, and why it is ok for some hobbies to consume all your spare time but not others? Can any expert psychobabblers out there, try to explain that to me please?

[+ Charlie]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

Reg, although I agree that you often do point out simple truths, your self-righteous insistence on claiming that virtue for yourself is getting tiresome. Your rigid tone of moral infallibility never changes; perhaps sometime you might consider the possibility that charity is also a virtue worth practicing.

 

Although I have to admit that "sexual addiction" is an analysis that I also find questionable, I commend Jizz for not projecting his problem onto the rest of us who deal with our emotional needs through sexual activity--he had the grace to acknowledge that we are not all "sex addicts" simply because we practice some of the same sexual behaviors. Although I do not agree philosophically with the AA analysis and response, I know that it works in practice for many people, and it is better than the alternative of doing nothing to change behaviors that are self-destructive. Or would you prefer hairshirts and self-flagellation? (Actually, I suspect you would be satisfied with Jizz's admission of your moral and intellectual superiority.)

[Guest regulation]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

>Reg, although I agree that you often do point out simple

>truths, your self-righteous insistence on claiming that

>virtue for yourself is getting tiresome. Your rigid tone of

>moral infallibility never changes; perhaps sometime you

>might consider the possibility that charity is also a virtue

>worth practicing.

 

I don't really give a shit whether you find my posts tiresome. I am not here to entertain you. No one is forcing you to read my posts, so if you don't want to, don't. This is a policy that has always worked for me and I highly recommend it.

 

I find your post self-contradictory. I do indeed point out some very simple truths, the sort that no civilized person would dispute. Taking advantage of desperate street kids is bad. Deceiving someone with whom one has a relationship of trust is bad. You at one and the same time give me credit for doing that and also complain about the "tone of moral infallibility" you perceive. But it is the quality you praise that creates the quality you complain of.

 

I see a lot of posts like yours. They're written by members who don't like being reminded how far out of the mainstream their own actions have taken them. They can't argue directly with what I say because doing so would make them look depraved and immoral even in this company. But they want to lash out at me in some way, so they come up with the sort of bullshit you've written. I'm used to it.

 

>Although I do not agree philosophically with the

>AA analysis and response, I know that it works in practice

>for many people, and it is better than the alternative of

>doing nothing to change behaviors that are self-destructive.

>Or would you prefer hairshirts and self-flagellation?

>(Actually, I suspect you would be satisfied with Jizz's

>admission of your moral and intellectual superiority.)

 

Unlike you, I have no philosophical problem with twelve-step programs. Certainly they have benefited a lot of people who are genuinely ill. My problem is with the many, many people who falsely claim to be the victims of illness rather than acknowledging the truth about themselves, which is that they are not sick but just incredibly selfish. I have encountered plenty of such people, and I do not find it very difficult to recognize them when I see them.

[+ Charlie]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

My, aren't we touchy when we are criticized, even for our tone? It's interesting that you assume the quality in the "simple truths" to have been produced by some quality in the teller--what may that quality of yours be, pray tell? I don't think Jizz is the only person here who is unable to recognize unpleasant truths about himself.

 

By the way, if you are impelled to read and criticize comments by those with whom you disagree, why do you advise me to pass over yours?

[Justice]

Jizz,

 

Thanks for letting us know. Please check in from time to time and let us know how you are doing. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[Eric]

Clearly, this Jizz guy is a loser crying out for attention. If he were serious, he would never have returned to comment some more. Give us all a break. If he tried to off himself, it was probably a call for attention too.

[Guest regulation]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

>My, aren't we touchy when we are criticized, even for our

>tone?

 

No. If you've read a lot of my posts you must know that I always respond that way. If it makes you feel better to pretend that your post annoyed me, however, go ahead.

 

>It's interesting that you assume the quality in the

>"simple truths" to have been produced by some quality in the

>teller--what may that quality of yours be, pray tell?

 

Please brush up on your reading skills. I said no such thing. It is the unarguable quality of the truths I state that produces the "tone of moral infallibility" you complain about. You can't have one without the other. Got it now?

 

> I

>don't think Jizz is the only person here who is unable to

>recognize unpleasant truths about himself.

 

 

I have long ago recognized the unpleasant truth that I waste far too much time on this message board debating issues of no real importance with morons. It is a great embarrassment to me.

 

 

>By the way, if you are impelled to read and criticize

>comments by those with whom you disagree, why do you advise

>me to pass over yours?

 

Who said I was impelled? I only participate in this message board when I am bored with whatever else I have to do. And I didn't advise you to pass over my comments because you disagree with them but because you said you find them "tiresome." Do you not understand the difference between those two terms? I keep hearing news reports that our public schools are failing. I suppose the obvious difficulty so many site members have in reading and writing English is a sign that is true.

[Guest Jordan21]

Anyone who not only hires homeless kids for sex and boasts about doing so at cut rate is sick. Why show all this compassion for such a morally disgusting creep? Whatever method he tried to use to off himself--it's too bad it didn't work. I suggest you try again.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Anyone who not only hires homeless kids for sex and boasts

>about doing so at cut rate is sick. Why show all this

>compassion for such a morally disgusting creep? Whatever

>method he tried to use to off himself--it's too bad it

>didn't work. I suggest you try again.

 

Your compassion is truly overwhelming. Do you really think you are going to impress or endear yourself to anyone on this board except for those sickos with the same bent.

 

The subject of paying homeless kids for sex was discussed to death months ago and was finally laid to rest - thank God. Trust Regulation to barf the whole subject up again and trust idiots like you to jump on the band wagon.

 

Even if it were sick - and I personally don't agree that it was - it in no way justifies the sentiments expressed in your post. If there is a sicko in our midst it is YOU! And what goes around, comes around. I trust you will remember this when a tragedy occurs in your life. And trust me on this - it will.

 

Thunderbuns

[+ deej]

Karma is a bitch. And she has a LONG fucking memory. }>

[+ Charlie]

RE: irresponsible psychobabble? nah!

 

Well, as usual you have your lawyer's strategy down pat: creatively misread statements and then respond with self-righteous disdain.

 

By the way, tone is produced by the word choices, syntactical structures, etc., of the writer, not by some inherent quality in the "truths" he proclaims. I'm surprised you never learned that from your instructors at your prestigious university.

 

And if you're not irritated, you're doing a damn good imitation of being so.

 

I think I will take your original advice to me to skip over your predictable responses from now on.

[Eric]

I don't see what's wrong with Jordan's sentiment, frankly. What's so sick about wishing some useless piece of crap who uses homeless kids for his own selfish sake the worst of fate? If he doesn't want to help them, fine, but to essentially shit on them and boast about doing it for "cut rate"? Give me a break. Cut out the bleeding-heart liberal bullshit. I can show compassion to anyone who's down on their luck, but not when they cross the line and hurt others, particularly kids. As a regular volunteer in a homeless children's home, I agree this guy's a creep. The world's better off without people like him. If you want to show this "creep" compassion, then you're not all that much better than him.

[+ deej]

You provide yet another reason NOT to be proud on Gay Pride day.

 

Gee, thanks.

[Eric]

If Jizz is supposed to be the personification of "pride" on gay pride day, then we'd all better run back in the closet. He is an embarrassment to us all. About half of the kids in the youth house I volunteer at are gay--and they are the personification of strength, particularly in the context of many not-so-favorable experiences that they've made it through (the likes of Jizz being among them). They are a good reason for us to feel pride today.

[+ deej]

I did not defend Jizz, but I do despise hate.

 

Right now, you have presented yourself as hate personified.

 

How proud you must be!

[Guest Les]

Don't apologize Deej!

The guy is a creep missing a heart.

[Eric]

Well, you can show all the heart you want for some loser creep who feeds off homeless kids for his own joy. Yeah, you're right, I do hate people like that.

 

But my thoughts for this Jizz creep aren't derived from hate, but rather merely from a sense of what is due him. I am totally for capital punishment for murderers... because it's just in my book. I suppose you can say that anyone who is, is filled with hate, but we'll just talk around in circles forever. By the same token, if someone like Jizz practices what he says he does with respect to minors, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with hoping the next time he tries to off himself he succeeds. But to show this man compassion? That is sick.