I'd like to say Ciao to the MC

[JoeyBryant]

There are several of you here who I think are great, and like reading what you have to say. I also thank those who have checked out what I've had to say as well and either offered suggestions or related similar experienced. To you, I truly thankyou for taking out time of your busy days to contribute. You rock!

 

But, I just don't think I can be on here and not mention the things I do. I like to talk about REAL stuff in a real way. Unfortunently, talking about real stuff in a real way is being percieved as negative, complaining, and that no one will want to hire me. If that's the response I'm going to get everytime I post something that people are not going to feel the same way about, what's the purpose to post then?

 

Again, some of the things I say get misconstrued. When I said B.S. to someone's post, I was referring to the specific situation in the post, not the person themselves. I wasn't intending it to be personal or anything. Yet the responses I get are personal.

 

If I've said something in a thread that has offended you, I apologize. Better than saying the over-used and ineffective, "I hope you weren't offended", how fake is that But I don't take it back though. I personally believe many of the things I've said here was necessary. Why? Because its my opinion from what I have experienced. I'm sure there is someone on here who has related to what I've said. At the least, nothing I've said was fabricated to make me look better.

 

But yeah, I don't feel like arguing anymore. I think whats important is keeping those who find me of interest happy, regardless of what some of you on here think. Because when it comes down to it, thats what really matters. Peace out!

[Guest greatness]

well

 

I wish you a great success! If you change your mind please come back. You will be missed. Sometimes I hope we can just allow others to vent and express themselves. Joey, if you want to vent privately I would like to just listen without judging you so please do. I can't give you any good advice but I can listen and share my thoughts if you want.

 

Sometimes people just want to be heard. They are not seeking answers from you. They just want someone to listen to them and share their thoughts. I don't think Joey meant any harm. Just want to share his life and vent. So Joey if you want please come back. I will be here and listen to you.

 

 

 

There are several of you here who I think are great, and like reading what you have to say. I also thank those who have checked out what I've had to say as well and either offered suggestions or related similar experienced. To you, I truly thankyou for taking out time of your busy days to contribute. You rock!

 

But, I just don't think I can be on here and not mention the things I do. I like to talk about REAL stuff in a real way. Unfortunently, talking about real stuff in a real way is being percieved as negative, complaining, and that no one will want to hire me. If that's the response I'm going to get everytime I post something that people are not going to feel the same way about, what's the purpose to post then?

 

Again, some of the things I say get misconstrued. When I said B.S. to someone's post, I was referring to the specific situation in the post, not the person themselves. I wasn't intending it to be personal or anything. Yet the responses I get are personal.

 

If I've said something in a thread that has offended you, I apologize. Better than saying the over-used and ineffective, "I hope you weren't offended", how fake is that But I don't take it back though. I personally believe many of the things I've said here was necessary. Why? Because its my opinion from what I have experienced. I'm sure there is someone on here who has related to what I've said. At the least, nothing I've said was fabricated to make me look better.

 

But yeah, I don't feel like arguing anymore. I think whats important is keeping those who find me of interest happy, regardless of what some of you on here think. Because when it comes down to it, thats what really matters. Peace out!

[+ purplekow]

I think a brief vacation from the site might prove beneficial for you. It seems as though there has been undue controversy around many of your posts. You are a very young man, so don't suppose you have all the answers. On the other hand, some of the responses you have received are from posters who were 19 when Truman was president and they may not be able to fully identify with the life of a young escort. I hope after a break, you return and let us know of the progress your life has made. I can't truthfully say that I will miss your posts, but I would welcome your return.

[BewareofNick]

There are several of you here who I think are great, and like reading what you have to say. I also thank those who have checked out what I've had to say as well and either offered suggestions or related similar experienced. To you, I truly thankyou for taking out time of your busy days to contribute. You rock!

 

But, I just don't think I can be on here and not mention the things I do. I like to talk about REAL stuff in a real way. Unfortunently, talking about real stuff in a real way is being percieved as negative, complaining, and that no one will want to hire me. If that's the response I'm going to get everytime I post something that people are not going to feel the same way about, what's the purpose to post then?

 

Again, some of the things I say get misconstrued. When I said B.S. to someone's post, I was referring to the specific situation in the post, not the person themselves. I wasn't intending it to be personal or anything. Yet the responses I get are personal.

 

If I've said something in a thread that has offended you, I apologize. Better than saying the over-used and ineffective, "I hope you weren't offended", how fake is that But I don't take it back though. I personally believe many of the things I've said here was necessary. Why? Because its my opinion from what I have experienced. I'm sure there is someone on here who has related to what I've said. At the least, nothing I've said was fabricated to make me look better.

 

But yeah, I don't feel like arguing anymore. I think whats important is keeping those who find me of interest happy, regardless of what some of you on here think. Because when it comes down to it, thats what really matters. Peace out!

 

Joey, I hope your hiatus is a short one. I've very much enjoyed your contributions here. purplekow makes a good observation about some folks from older generations being unable to understand the life of a young escort. It's also been made very clear on at least one occasion that certain bigotries persist even in a minority community such as this.

 

What I would say is don't let others decide your participation in these forums. Bitter old queens are everywhere.

[+ Lucky]

I don't think you have to be old to be bitter, and Joey's posts prove it. If he and Devon Hunter want to use the forums to alientate potential customers, that is their right. It doesn't make business sense, but maybe that is not their goal.

[BewareofNick]

I don't think you have to be old to be bitter, and Joey's posts prove it. If he and Devon Hunter want to use the forums to alientate potential customers, that is their right. It doesn't make business sense, but maybe that is not their goal.

 

Lucky, one does not have to be chronologically old to be a bitter old queen. We've seen enough examples of that here, but I wouldn't say that Joey qualifies.

[+ Lucky]

I have been thinking about this thread and I just wonder why a guy with the passion that Joey seems to have cannot find a happy medium, where he shows his good side and still can vent about the frustrations of being an escort.

[+ David-SF]

I can relate

 

I hope you dont leave thinking you opinion does not count or is not heard.

You can believe say and do anything you want I respect that.

 

I have made a decision to put my best foot and face forward in a public forum & in private settings too.

 

Thats my decision its a choice I believe is a wise one.

Its not about being fake its about taking a little time to evaluate my response to how I feel about things.

 

many of my friends will tell you I dont filter myself when I have feelings about something I can be very abrasive and opinionated but I certainly dont dwell on them continue to remain stuck in them I do my best to stay open to ideas and ways to feel better about them so that they dont bog me down.

 

here in the MC I do tend to curb my frustration from time to time and chose my posting to keep myself sane and free from resentment.

 

If I wanted to sound off about every time a client stood me up or came to my home and acted out or another escort offended me I would be spending my time fielding other opinions and making myself crazy thinking about what is right and wrong instead of what makes me happy.

 

"Being Real" is just another way for someone to say "this is my opinion right now"

 

its all well and good but as you can see from your own posting here your feelings change sometimes overnight. so expressing your feelings that may change the next day can cause you unwanted feelings of regret.

 

you have every right to be who you are.

 

but in the long run staying open to other ideas instead of laying out random judgments of other peoples behaviors as being "fake" "Classless" "not right"

etc etc ...and I could make a long long list just serves to show a negative side of you that only exists in that moment. not in the work you do or who you really are .... right ??? .

 

so if it is true that you are a swell guy to be around then why not express that part of yourself rather than a fleeting emotions that does not truly express who you really are.

 

Thats real.

 

my offer of advice may have been off putting and said in a way that was firm and cause you to feel defensive I have a talent for that.

 

I apologize if what I said made you believe that I dont appreciate the work that you do. it was not my intention my intention was to find a way to express what my thoughts and "opinion" of your behavior here on the MC and how it might harm your business and effect your development of friendships here. nothing more.

 

Just as your "opinion" that my gesture was "fake"

I think you were the one that brought it to the MC I kept it private in an email.

 

I also do not want to alienate people from a place that has brought me great success in my life. I believe that you can have that same success and be who you are with out having to be a jerk.

and if more escorts and posters leave the MC then less is available to be learned and it diminishes the value of this forum.

 

just as you said in another thread there is a time and place for everything

the trick is to find the time and place for each thing and use it to help you grow and become who you strive to be not who you want people to think you are.

I hope you stick around a gain some more insight.

[GoodFella69]

Class Act...

 

Well said, David. You are "First Class" all the way.

[Txpaytoplay]

Ciao

 

Hopefully you will find happiness in your continued journey through life.

[Guest zipperzone]

Unfortunently, talking about real stuff in a real way is being percieved as negative, complaining, and that no one will want to hire me. If that's the response I'm going to get everytime I post something that people are not going to feel the same way about, what's the purpose to post then?

 

Joey: I doubt if you will understand what I am about to say, but here goes.

 

I think you too often let your ego get in your way. Think about it for a second - if you didn't post negative & complaining posts, people would not be apt to perceive them in that light. If you think someone on this board is an idiot, an asshole, a fool, or whatever, fine, that's your prerogative. But be smart enough not to let them know what you think. Why turn off a prospective client? In makes no sense.

 

Ask yourself if you think you could, with your present persona, get a job in public relations. If you answer yes, then I have not been able to get my message across to you.

[JoeyBryant]

its all well and good but as you can see from your own posting here your feelings change sometimes overnight.

 

No. I still stand by what I've said. Some may interpret as my feelings changing, but what it actually is some may happened to misread or misunderstood what I said; so I had to re-iterate it to how it actually is.

 

so expressing your feelings that may change the next day can cause you unwanted feelings of regret.

 

I said it before, I dont regret anything I've said. How I said it? Maybe. Just because people post in disagreement or send private emails, didn't make me change my mind.

 

you have every right to be who you are.

 

Exactly, so why insist I change that?

 

but in the long run staying open to other ideas instead of laying out random judgments of other peoples behaviors as being "fake" "Classless" "not right".

 

They are not random judgements, they are obvious judgements. In one sentence you are telling me to "get over myself", and another you are saying "dont be offended" Thats artificial.

 

my offer of advice may have been off putting and said in a way that was firm and cause you to feel defensive I have a talent for that.

 

And I have a talent to sense fakery, and from you it was written on your forehead! Besides, let me ask you this. You asked me whats my point of the threads I post? And you auto-replied something along the lines of my wanting to draw the line between whats right and wrong. Well whats your point of giving 'firm and offensive' advice to me? To tell me Im wrong? See how the tables can be turned?

[JoeyBryant]

Joey: I doubt if you will understand what I am about to say, but here goes.

 

I think you too often let your ego get in your way. Think about it for a second - if you didn't post negative & complaining posts, people would not be apt to perceive them in that light. If you think someone on this board is an idiot, an asshole, a fool, or whatever, fine, that's your prerogative. But be smart enough not to let them know what you think. Why turn off a prospective client? In makes no sense.

 

Ask yourself if you think you could, with your present persona, get a job in public relations. If you answer yes, then I have not been able to get my message across to you.

 

I don't give a flying fuck about what you have to say Zipperzone. And I dont give a shit about any public relations job either. Its not my major nor my minor nor is it what Im pursuing right now either.

 

If a prospective client has any doubts about my integrity, they can reference my review, view my website, or have a chat prior. I doubt they are going to say, "this guy stood up for himself or made a good point on the forum, I'm not going to hire him". give me a break. I'm off to bed..

[Guest zipperzone]

I don't give a flying fuck about what you have to say Zipperzone. And I dont give a shit about any public relations job either. Its not my major nor my minor nor is it what Im pursuing right now either.

 

If a prospective client has any doubts about my integrity, they can reference my review, view my website, or have a chat prior. I doubt they are going to say, "this guy stood up for himself or made a good point on the forum, I'm not going to hire him". give me a break. I'm off to bed..

 

Several things have become obvious:

 

One: He hasn't said goodbye to the forums - he can't - his inflated ego won't let him.

 

Two: He is totally incapable of listening to a reasoned argument if it doesn't happen to fit into his preconceived notion of things.

 

Three: He is also incapable of expressing his dislike for posters who challenge him without resorting to four letter words.

 

Four: With his attitude, his success in life will be minimal regardless of whatever career he tries.

 

Five: The likelihood of him ever changing is slim to none.

 

Bye Bye Joey

[Mark Gordon]

Ciao Joey

 

Joey, I’m genuinely sorry to see you go, but I understand your reasons. Even if I didn’t always agree with what you said or how you said it, I felt you made a valuable contribution to the MC by speaking your mind. The fact is that it’s a minefield in here for the few escorts brave enough to post regularly, one which it’s of questionable business advantage to even attempt to negotiate. It is always open season on escorts in the MC. It is a forum dominated by clients, many of whom are very nice, but some of whom may have mixed feelings about being clients, and negative/conflicting feelings about escorts, which they then project onto the escorts who participate here. It’s very difficult to strike the right balance in how you present yourself. If you speak your mind, and talk about the problems you face as an escort, you can come across as negative and arrogant, alienating people. If you talk about the good things that have come of your being an escort, and the positive role you believe you’ve played in some of your client’s lives, you will be doubted and accused of trying to sound like Mother Teresa.

 

Since you’ve decided for the moment that all of this is more trouble than it’s worth, I wish you well. As you say, the main thing in this business is keeping the people who find you of interest happy. Ciao

[Guest mvan1]

Several things have become obvious:

 

One: He hasn't said goodbye to the forums - he can't - his inflated ego won't let him.

 

Two: He is totally incapable of listening to a reasoned argument if it doesn't happen to fit into his preconceived notion of things.

 

Three: He is also incapable of expressing his dislike for posters who challenge him without resorting to four letter words.

 

Four: With his attitude, his success in life will be minimal regardless of whatever career he tries.

 

Five: The likelihood of him ever changing is slim to none.

 

Bye Bye Joey

 

Hey Zipperzone,

 

Your points seem to be right on the mark.

[Guest greatness]

Oh my

 

That's not a nice thing to say to a fellow escort. I don't think David is fake and I don't think David meant any harm. He won't bother to send you a private message if he doesn't care about you. He do care and try to let you know his opinion. David is a nice guy. He even devoted his time and money to help others.

 

 

And I have a talent to sense fakery, and from you it was written on your forehead! Besides, let me ask you this. You asked me whats my point of the threads I post? And you auto-replied something along the lines of my wanting to draw the line between whats right and wrong. Well whats your point of giving 'firm and offensive' advice to me? To tell me Im wrong? See how the tables can be turned?

[+ sf westcoaster]

Confused

 

I must be missing something. When Joey started this thread it seemed to me to be very clear that he was signing off the mc, at least that is the way I interpreted his "Ciao", but it now appears that I am wrong.

 

Would be interested in what others thougth Joey's intent was/is.

[Txpaytoplay]

So much for saying Goodbye!

 

I agree with Zipperzone....

[Guest DuchessIvanaKizznhugg]

2 cents....

 

I will be disappointed if Joey decides to stop posting. I would see it as a failure among us: if we cannot achieve a measure of peace amongst ourselves here, how will we ever achieve it in the larger world?

 

I have found the content of some of Joey's posts to be questionable(...just like other posters), and sometimes he appears to vent (....just like other posters), but it seems as if he's the target of much hostility and derision. It seems as if the natives are all riled with torches and pitch-forks and salivating to attack, yet what has he written to cause such outrage?

 

I think we sometimes forget that our on-line exchange here is low-resolution communication. We don't get the benefit of emphasis, inflection, or body language in the stories we share here. We don't know the specific history of each other. Miscommunication and misunderstanding are bound to happen--- and we need to be on the lookout for it, and recognize it before we up the ante by hurling angry insults.

 

I'm wondering if we shouldn't be making a greater effort to understand another's point-of-view--- even if it's not one we share. Before interpreting Joey's take of an event in a negative light, why not extend him the benefit of the doubt? Or perhaps question why he feels that way. Or confirm that what you think you've read is what he meant to say. Just seems like a less-stressful route than launching the flamethrower.

 

I think we occasionally forget also that the power of words is strong, and they can hurt. Why hurl such ugliness when it's possible that we've just misunderstood what was being said?

 

I do hope that Joey stays. Our reputation as welcoming, helpful, non-judgemental, peaceful men is at stake.

 

[+ David-SF]

Let me yield again

 

Joey I am so very sorry you have been misunderstood and many people misinterpret your writing style.

 

I encourage you please by all means stay here grow, learn, vent, participate.

 

Have your experience.

 

Its none of my business.

 

Again I apologize for being so presumptuous.

 

This was never meant to create an argument.

 

I always appreciate other escorts that share their experience with me

 

even if I don't agree with what they say.

[Guest greatness]

So sweet

 

You would make a wonderful husband to your future spouse

 

Joey I am so very sorry you have been misunderstood and many people misinterpret your writing style.

 

I encourage you please by all means stay here grow, learn, vent, participate.

 

Have your experience.

 

Its none of my business.

 

Again I apologize for being so presumptuous.

 

This was never meant to create an argument.

 

I always appreciate other escorts that share their experience with me

 

even if I don't agree with what they say.

[justaguy]

IMO, what Duchess has said is worth far more than 2 cents.

[Lookin]

Totally agree, Justaguy.

[Guest greatness]

I agree

 

Well said... It touched my heart as always..

 

 

 

I will be disappointed if Joey decides to stop posting. I would see it as a failure among us: if we cannot achieve a measure of peace amongst ourselves here, how will we ever achieve it in the larger world?

 

I have found the content of some of Joey's posts to be questionable(...just like other posters), and sometimes he appears to vent (....just like other posters), but it seems as if he's the target of much hostility and derision. It seems as if the natives are all riled with torches and pitch-forks and salivating to attack, yet what has he written to cause such outrage?

 

I think we sometimes forget that our on-line exchange here is low-resolution communication. We don't get the benefit of emphasis, inflection, or body language in the stories we share here. We don't know the specific history of each other. Miscommunication and misunderstanding are bound to happen--- and we need to be on the lookout for it, and recognize it before we up the ante by hurling angry insults.

 

I'm wondering if we shouldn't be making a greater effort to understand another's point-of-view--- even if it's not one we share. Before interpreting Joey's take of an event in a negative light, why not extend him the benefit of the doubt? Or perhaps question why he feels that way. Or confirm that what you think you've read is what he meant to say. Just seems like a less-stressful route than launching the flamethrower.

 

I think we occasionally forget also that the power of words is strong, and they can hurt. Why hurl such ugliness when it's possible that we've just misunderstood what was being said?

 

I do hope that Joey stays. Our reputation as welcoming, helpful, non-judgemental, peaceful men is at stake.

 

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