Escorts and Health Insurance

[Txpaytoplay]

Two cents continued

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMoosie

Let me also add this......

Let's assume that an escort is working 32 hours a week (which is still considered full-time). Using a lowball figure of $125/hr, that means the guy is making, TAX FREE, $4000/wk, $16000/mo and $208,000/yr.

 

Quote:

Orignally posted by RianB

For crying out loud, here we go with the figures again...Where do people get these from?

 

 

I know several escorts that make this kind of money....some of them are talked about on this board quite often.

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMoosie

Going to the gym isn't part of the job. There are plenty of escorts who make a shitload of money who have never seen the inside of a gym.

 

Quote:

Originally posted by RianB

I'd have to disagree. Just like I have to attend plays and visit museums for Humanities class for 'extra credit' so does going to the gym bussing my ass some weeks. I get 'extra credits' when I show up and look better than my photos. Who cares about other escorts who don't go to the gym, thats them.

 

I would agree with MM on this one....there are those who make money not going to the gym....but there are those who make more by going to the gym "busting" their assets.

The "extra credits" you may recieve for showing up with a great body...another escort may recieve for having a great personality or for just showing up on time. It's all relative in the end.

 

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Originally Posted by purplekow

Mr. Moosie. Which country are you living in? Unemploment rates are high and many employers no longer supply health insurance, as the cost is extreme. There is no point arguing as to whether escorts can afford it or not, some can, some can't. For those that cannot, your advice is simple-minded and arrogant.

 

Originally posted by RianB

Thankyou!...as if jobs (especially entry level jobs) these days are some type of fortress of health and security. There's no unions in the south

 

Actually....there are some unions in the south....albeit not as strong as in the north...nevertheless they are present.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Txpaytoplay

if an escort sees just 5 clients a week at $250 that comes out to be $1,250 a week.

 

Originally posted by RianB

Really

These quotas are giving me a headache.

 

Might I suggest an advil?

 

Originally posted by RianB

Mostly due to the fact that seeing 5 clients a week at $250 for say, a month....would not happen just staying in 1 typical sized city (everybody doesnt live in New York or L.A.) Not to mention the fact that our income is not static.

 

When stating my opinion I was going on the market that I live in. Living in a metropolitan (not in LA or New York) area I believe it to be quite accurate. Not sure what you are referring to as a typical sized city, but yes it would be difficult to make the kind of money unless an escort has built quite a large regular base and lived in a city that they could travel in and out of easily.

[Guest Tristan]

Let me also add this......

 

Let's assume that an escort is working 32 hours a week (which is still considered full-time). Using a lowball figure of $125/hr, that means the guy is making, TAX FREE, $4000/wk, $16000/mo and $208,000/yr.

 

 

I think 32 hours a week on a regular basis sounds quite high. That would leave very little time between clients for other necesssary activities.

 

However, $125/hr was the standard 10 years ago. On Rentboy, a large percentage of escorts in Miami and FtL list $250/hr, and a significant number list $300/hr. I also see the same rates for other larger metro areas. NYC is probably an exception due to the sheer number of escorts competing. If an escort did work 32 hours/week (again, don't agree with this assumption), he would be earning $416,000/yr, tax free. There doesn't seem to be too many recession specials.

[Guest ReturnOfS]

Thanks for the input guys. This has been enlightening.

 

Also, if minniemoose ever replies to one of my posts, and you want to write a reply to his post, please don't show portions of what he wrote. I have that nut on ignore for a reason.

[Guest RianB]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMoosie

Let me also add this......

Let's assume that an escort is working 32 hours a week (which is still considered full-time). Using a lowball figure of $125/hr, that means the guy is making, TAX FREE, $4000/wk, $16000/mo and $208,000/yr.

 

I know several escorts that make this kind of money....some of them are talked about on this board quite often.

 

Really, So someone on this board is meeting 32 clients a week EVERY week? Please correct me if Im wrong. Forget the money, I'd wonder what their on to sustain it...

 

 

another escort may recieve for having a great personality or for just showing up on time. It's all relative in the end.

 

 

What about the escort who shows up on time, has a great body and get this...and has a great personality, is that not possible? With me it is! Case in point: Recently a client sent me a message after our 3rd appointment along the lines of "He will hire an escort the first time because he's attracted to him. His decision to hire the same escort a second time around would be someone who is courteous, attractive and enjoys his company" He went on to add that having some extra muscle is a plus

 

Might I suggest an advil?

 

 

Thanks, but no thanks. I took 2 Tylenols already, I busted a new routine last Friday and am in quite a bit of pain.

 

 

When stating my opinion I was going on the market that I live in. Living in a metropolitan (not in LA or New York) area I believe it to be quite accurate. Not sure what you are referring to as a typical sized city, but yes it would be difficult to make the kind of money unless an escort has built quite a large regular base and lived in a city that they could travel in and out of easily.

 

I noticed your name has TX, are you in Texas and if so what city?

 

Well, when I say 'typical' sized I meant places that arent as dense as places like New York and Chicago. Boston and Chicago for example has over 12,500 people per square mile, whereas Dallas only has a little over 3,700.

 

I will say, I really dont know how many clients others see. I just think those numbers dont even sound feasible. Like I said, income can vary.

 

In additon, even with traveling one may not make the same in every city. I wont make the same in Dallas as I would in Miami. Miami would bring a totally different income than Boston.

 

The figures y'all have given dont take things like that in consideration. Nor does it take into consideration of slower weeks and better weeks either. You're viewing it as a steady stream of exact income each week (and a very optimistic one at that). I also do not buy everything someone tells me, especially when it comes to money.

[Txpaytoplay]

There is a difference between 32 hours and 32 clients, so consider yourself corrected. Please reread the post by MM and what I actually wrote. Also when I said that it is all relative....I am stating that everyone is different and has their own taste and preferences. What I have stated throughout is an opinion based on my experiences and with friends that I have in the business. Does it apply to all escorts?.....NO.....as I said I do know some who do and I know a lot who do not. It's all in how they manage their business. The per capita people may help but it does not take into consideration those escorts who travel all around the world to meet people. And if you think about it if an escort charges a $1,000 for an overnite and does that 4 times a week then they have easily made the money that I stated. And yes there are escorts who make that kind of money. I guess it's all in how you market yourself. Again....my opinion.....you don't have to agree, or believe.

[Romann]

Again....my opinion.....you don't have to agree, or believe.

 

UH-OH! Those are fighting words around here.

[Guest MickeyMoosie]

Ok, as expected, we're getting lost in the weeds.

 

I did the math for everyone to make a point about someone working FULL TIME as an escort. Do I think there are guys working 32 hours a week? No, I don't.

 

However, do I think there are guys making a small (tax free) fortune? HELL YES! And, we all know who they are.

 

I did the math to refute the claim that guys who are escorting "full time" can't afford health insurance. If they're working "full time" they can so we don't want to hear any whining about how they can't afford it.

 

Now, let's address those who do it a few times a week.

 

If they aren't making enough money to afford health insurance, and it's something they're concerned about, then they're going to have to do what everyone else does: GET OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING AND GET A FUCKING JOB THAT GIVES YOU INSURANCE.

 

But until they do, everyone to the rice fields!!!

[gp0560]

Behind the Scenes

 

Quote from MM "For the sake of this discussion, let's stipulate that the gym is one of them. What would three others things be that would constitute an "immense amount of behind the scenes work"? I've had many many friends who have done it over the years and the main thing they do is wait for the phone to ring. Not a single of them talked about any special burdens other than having a sufficient supply of viagra."

 

I think it is all relative. I have know several escorts for quite some time as well. The ones who have truly made a career of it do spend quite a bit of time in the gym and tanning salons. Also, traveling takes a lot out of them when they do their overnights or weekend abroad and it takes time to get things back in order at their home. For the ones who just wait for the phone to ring, they don't seem to get the repeat buiness as the ones who tend to work harder at keeping their appearance up. Just my thoughts on that. Right or wrong...it my 2 cents worth.

 

One more possibility in addition to the things Txpaytoplay mentions: The escorts I have seen more than once put a lot of effort into finding out exactly what the client wants to have happen, with respect to kinds of activity in and out of the bedroom, clothes to wear, limits to observe, and on and on. If an escort is working out plans with more than one client at a time, I would submit that the effort constitutes part of an "immense amount of behind the scenes work."

[Guest zipperzone]

Mr. Moosie. Which country are you living in? Unemploment rates are high and many employers no longer supply health insurance, as the cost is extreme. There is no point arguing as to whether escorts can afford it or not, some can, some can't. For those that cannot, your advice is simple-minded and arrogant.

 

So what's new? Most of his drivel is simple-minded and arrogant.......

[Guest zipperzone]

 

Why can't you just state your opinion without downgrading someone else's?

 

Mean spirited don't you think?

 

 

Oh my! Look who's turned into our latest Miss Goodie Twoshoes.

[Guest zipperzone]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMoosie

Let me also add this......

Let's assume that an escort is working 32 hours a week (which is still considered full-time). Using a lowball figure of $125/hr, that means the guy is making, TAX FREE, $4000/wk, $16000/mo and $208,000/yr.

 

Quote:

Orignally posted by RianB

For crying out loud, here we go with the figures again...Where do people get these from?

 

 

I know several escorts that make this kind of money....some of them are talked about on this board quite often.

 

If RianB isn't and/or can't make these figures, perhaps he should take a long hard look at himself, his business practices and most importantly, his attitude. Unfortunately I doubt that he has the necessary skills to do this effectively.

[Guest zipperzone]

I noticed your name has TX, are you in Texas and if so what city?

 

If you would look at the upper right hand corner of the screen when he posts a message would be see that it clearly states Texas.

 

Not too bright, just as I had imagined.

[Txpaytoplay]

Zipperzone....

 

You just go for the jugulars don't you? LOL

[Luv2play]

However, do I think there are guys making a small (tax free) fortune? HELL YES! And, we all know who they are. [/quote

 

I wonder what is the problem that MM (unfortunate moniker, I remember a beautiful MM but she was another tragedy), has with people making a small (tax-free) fortune in America. This has gone on since the founding of the republic. Sure, income tax was introduced in the early 20th century to, among other things, capture some of the money that was being earned in the private sector to help finance public endeavors (including wars).

 

If we were all totally honest, we would allow that we all take pains to reduce our tax burdens. I believe that is because, deep down, we all feel that we are better able to direct our resources than faceless bureaucrats. This, regrettably, also has something to do with the essential greediness that we all harbour, to a lessor or greater extent.

 

I have never begrudged the money that escorts make, including the small fortune that I have spent on them. They earn their money. What they report to the IRS (or Revenue Canada) is not my business. I also don't ask my stock broker what he reports as income. If I had an account at a hedge fund, I probably wouldn't ask them either (although I suspect they pay precious little to maintaining the great republic that is America).

 

In the final analysis, if I have to get screwed (and I do from time to time), I would rather have an escort do the job than some-one at the IRS or Revenue Canada (or Wall Street). On the other hand, since I am a fickle creature, I still take my chances on Wall Street and have not done so badly the last six months. Of course, that is no guarantee I won't get screwed again!

[+ purplekow]

I find it interesting that how much other people make is so often a point of discussion here. Some escorts I am sure do very well and others less well. Some are escorting as they have no alternative as they need to keep up expensive habits, some escort out of a love of this type or work. There are those escorts who are bright and forward thinking and monetarily savvy and who have a great financial future aided by the income they have earned as escorts and there are those that spend more than they earn on the latest status symbol. There are escorts with medical insurance and those that dont have it. There are those who are safe and others that aren't. There are those that are prudent and those who live on the edge.

My point, who cares what escorts make as long as they leave the client happily satisfied. Most people assume I make a lot more money than I do. I am always puzzled when people either ask me how much I earn or tell me what they think I earn.

When asked, I give the same answer: "I find such a question rude and I wonder why you care." (I admit this answer did not go to well at my last IRS audit)

[Guest RianB]

If RianB isn't and/or can't make these figures, perhaps he should take a long hard look at himself, his business practices and most importantly, his attitude. Unfortunately I doubt that he has the necessary skills to do this effectively.

 

You dont know precisely fuck about my income nor my skills. You spend alot of your time here bad-mouthing myself and others, I doubt anyone would be willing to spend a (paid) hour to put up with your non-sense.

 

There is a difference between 32 hours and 32 clients, so consider yourself corrected. Please reread the post by MM and what I actually wrote.

 

Is that right? Because the figure showed

32 hours a week (which is still considered full-time). Using a lowball figure of $125/hr, that means the guy is making, TAX FREE, $4000/wk, $16000/mo and $208,000/yr.

 

Whats wrong with that figure? It doesnt take into consideration of multi-hour discounts. Nor does it pertain to the majority of escorts. There's alot of holes in that one, even if it was an estimate. Throw in travel expenses, t/w and fluctuating weeks...Just admit that you and Mossie have little or no idea about how things work in this industry. But go ahead, keep wondering...

 

So what's new? Most of his drivel is simple-minded and arrogant.......

 

(shakes head in disbelief)

 

If you would look at the upper right hand corner of the screen when he posts a message would be see that it clearly states Texas.

 

Not too bright, just as I had imagined.

 

Your imagination runs wild...this remark proves so. I asked rather than assumed he was in Texas. There was a poster on another forum who had a city I was from listed in his name, yet he lived in another part of the country.

 

Your nit-picking is annoying me now...

 

My point, who cares what escorts make as long as they leave the client happily satisfied.

 

Claro que si! At the end of the day thats what matters. As long as I make sure the guys I meet are well taken care of, then we'll both leave out happily satisfied.... Its that simple!

[Txpaytoplay]

Departing from this thread.

 

Well....to go no further I guess we can respectfully agree to disagree.

[Guest zipperzone]

You dont know precisely fuck about my income nor my skills. You spend alot of your time here bad-mouthing myself and others, I doubt anyone would be willing to spend a (paid) hour to put up with your non-sense.

 

Well you're half right. I don't know "precisely fuck" about you income. As for your skills - that's an entirely different matter. You have shown time and time again that your communication skills are sub-par and your manners, close to non-existent.

 

 

 

 

Your imagination runs wild...this remark proves so. I asked rather than assumed he was in Texas. There was a poster on another forum who had a city I was from listed in his name, yet he lived in another part of the country.

 

Your nit-picking is annoying me now...

 

You call it nit-picking, I call it telling it like it is. And it doesn't prove that my imagination runs wild. It does prove however that your reading skills are poor. Why would you have to ask if he was in Texas (because you thought his handle alluded to it) when he clearly states for all to see that his location is "Texas"?

 

And furthermore, the fact that you are now annoyed is of zero concern to me.

[Guest RianB]

You have shown time and time again that your communication skills are sub-par and your manners, close to non-existent.

 

Sub-par how? I've clearly shown that you and 2 others here who insist in dominating this thread are virtually clueless to the facts. You see it as bad mannerism, I see it as simply me not going along with the inconsistencies of the things I've read in this thread.

 

Like I said before, most of your post speak of nothing but to stir up junk. You had nothing intellectual to contribute here...

So what's new? Most of his drivel is simple-minded and arrogant.......

Your response to PurpleKows well thought out post which made perfect sense, but you are so simple-minded it went WHOOOSH right over your head.

 

It does prove however that your reading skills are poor.

 

Uh oh, I better confess to the president of MDC that my reading skills are poor and the B+ that I scored on the CLAST exam was somehow a mistake

 

And furthermore, the fact that you are now annoyed is of zero concern to me.

 

I've been annoyed with you. Most of the posts you spew is either cynical or flippant. I highly doubt anyone is rooting for you here...especially since you've trashed just about everyone's post.

 

I've got to stop entertaining you, I'm not even getting paid to do this

[Guest zipperzone]

Sub-par how? I've clearly shown that you and 2 others here who insist in dominating this thread are virtually clueless to the facts. You see it as bad mannerism, I see it as simply me not going along with the inconsistencies of the things I've read in this thread.

 

That may be your impression of your posts. It certainly not mine.

 

Like I said before, most of your post speak of nothing but to stir up junk. You had nothing intellectual to contribute here... Your response to PurpleKows well thought out post which made perfect sense, but you are so simple-minded it went WHOOOSH right over your head.

 

I never claimed my posts to be intellectual, unlike yours which are on the level of a doctorate thesis - NOT

 

Uh oh, I better confess to the president of MDC that my reading skills are poor and the B+ that I scored on the CLAST exam was somehow a mistake

 

Yes I would if I were you - after all honesty is the best policy.

 

I've been annoyed with you. Most of the posts you spew is either cynical or flippant. I highly doubt anyone is rooting for you here...especially since you've trashed just about everyone's post.

 

About that B+ score.... when using the word "posts" which happens to be plural, you should use the word "are" not "is"

 

I've got to stop entertaining you, I'm not even getting paid to do this

 

Well you could always submit an invoice. One never knows until one tries.

[Romann]

You just go for the jugulars don't you? LOL

 

I have found it easier to just put a target system on my jugular to make it easy to locate and go after.

[Romann]

I am always puzzled when people either ask me how much I earn or tell me what they think I earn.

When asked, I give the same answer: "I find such a question rude and I wonder why you care." (I admit this answer did not go to well at my last IRS audit)

 

HAHA! Oh I bet they have heard it all and then some!