Economy Bad, Escort Business Sense Worse

[MscleLovr]

I'm going to be in LA from Thursday and thought I'd hire a nice guy for some fun on an extended date. Searching online, I identified 12 men that interest me.

 

On Saturday evening I sent my usual brief and polite email to them. In that message, I describe myself fairly (and offer to send my clear photos). I also mention what I enjoy doing, where I'll be based and enquire as to availability for an afternoon or evening date. (I prefer an extended date to check the guy before arranging an overnight stay).

 

And, just to vent for a moment, it's now 48 hours later....and I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE.

 

Are the guys in LA just so spoilt or lacking in business sense that they cannot be bothered even to respond with 'Sorry I'm busy'? Or is the prospect of earning their published rate (ranging from $200 to $300 an hour) for some time with a fit, middle-aged guy simply unexciting?

 

(And just to answer the possible query: my interests are mainstream and rather vanilla, and I wrote to guys who are compatible according to their online ad)

[rvwnsd]

I have hired several guys in LA and have been pleased with their responsiveness to my initial e-mails. I don't know who you e-mailed (might be different guys than the ones I e-mailed) so it is difficult to guage why this is happening to you. Were they all from the same site? What kind of guys interest you?

[MscleLovr]

To answer your questions, I found guys on both Rentboy and Men4rent. I'm a top only, but guys tell me I'm a sensual lover and skilful top with considerable stamina.

 

The guys I approached are all what I seek when I hire: 24-38, goodlooking with fit, muscled bodies who advertise as versatile or bottom.

[Guest greatness]

well

 

I think it happens to everybody. It's not just you. I think during the summer season everybody is busy taking vacations and etc. Some of escorts I know are on an extended trip. You have to give them enough time. Some popular escorts may not be completely booked everyday still they are not robots. Do you expect them to ready 24/7 on your time clock? They have their own lives and things to do. I would prefer waiting a week even month and book in advance so escorts arrive prepared and clean. I usually follow reviews on daddysreview. Some Men4rentnow reviews can be deceiving where almost every escort has 4 stars. Come on, I have been reviewed in my profession and pretty good at what I do but I know by the fact it is impossible to liked by everybody. I only hire one escort from men4rentnow at this point. I usually use daddysreview. Don't worry you will be able to meet an escort you like . Just take some time. I sometimes have a trouble getting a reservation at a very good restaurant at the last minute. That restaurant is good because it is popular and serve good food. I don't want to compare a human being to a restaurant but good escorts need an advance notice. Yes I know sometimes with a busy schedule you can't always do that and it is easy to expect that somebody is going to be available right away. I think escorts will have the same exact problem. Even they want to meet you they can't be just available at your convenience. However, there are indeed a few spoiled escorts without any etiquette. I usually don't hire them and it is good for both parties.

 

I'm going to be in LA from Thursday and thought I'd hire a nice guy for some fun on an extended date. Searching online, I identified 12 men that interest me.

 

On Saturday evening I sent my usual brief and polite email to them. In that message, I describe myself fairly (and offer to send my clear photos). I also mention what I enjoy doing, where I'll be based and enquire as to availability for an afternoon or evening date. (I prefer an extended date to check the guy before arranging an overnight stay).

 

And, just to vent for a moment, it's now 48 hours later....and I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE.

 

Are the guys in LA just so spoilt or lacking in business sense that they cannot be bothered even to respond with 'Sorry I'm busy'? Or is the prospect of earning their published rate (ranging from $200 to $300 an hour) for some time with a fit, middle-aged guy simply unexciting?

 

(And just to answer the possible query: my interests are mainstream and rather vanilla, and I wrote to guys who are compatible according to their online ad)

[EXPAT]

I'm afraid that your experience in LA is fairly common. I've lived in a lot of places and most of the escorts (with a few exceptions, i.e. Scott Adler) don't communicate well here nor do they respond in a timely fashion. I don't know if it is the flakey LA market or what. Many have told me that LA has more than it's fair share of flakey clients because of the Hollywood market, who knows. But since I moved to the area 3 years ago, it is definitely THE most disappointing market I've experienced especially compared to London or New York or even San Francisco.

[+ Axiom2001]

Kristian aka (?) would qualify as an escort for whom you seek! Did you contact him?

[EXPAT]

For those Kristian fans, you can see him dancing at the new Micky's on many nights. He was having quite the show Saturday night.

[Guest greatness]

Flakey

 

wow that is a word I haven't used for a while. Anyways, Indianapolis was the flakiest city to me. Didn't have any trouble in getting escorts in DC and NY with a few days notice.

 

I'm afraid that your experience in LA is fairly common. I've lived in a lot of places and most of the escorts (with a few exceptions, i.e. Scott Adler) don't communicate well here nor do they respond in a timely fashion. I don't know if it is the flakey LA market or what. Many have told me that LA has more than it's fair share of flakey clients because of the Hollywood market, who knows. But since I moved to the area 3 years ago, it is definitely THE most disappointing market I've experienced especially compared to London or New York or even San Francisco.

[jawjateck]

I had a similar experience on my recent trip to LA with several guys responding really late (as much as 4 weeks after my initial email) and of course there are the guys who never responded at all. I prefer well-reviewed guys, but occasionally I like to sample a new guy. Well, the new guys I was interested to meet didn't handle their emails well enough for me to consider going further or even calling them when I was in town. The more experienced guys got back to me quickly and booked up my time early.

[whipped guy]

No business sense indeed...

 

A couple of years ago I contacted via email a NYC based escort who posts quite frequently on this site. As is my usual style it was respectfully written and precise. It was ignored for almost two weeks. Meanwhile he is posting right and left in the message forum. I did a follow up and the same thing occured... again he is posting at all times of the day (and night) with nothing else seemingly to do with his time...

 

Eventually I got the "I have been busy with other more pressing aspects of my life" email and then seemed to want to beg for my business by touting his attributes...

 

Well too little too late... Sorry buster... your loss...

[Lewis H]

Yeah, some can be flakes. Others, like an escort who I hired only a couple of times before, responded better via phone/texting.

 

When we met, this particular guy asked me if I look at his ad on rentboy, but I responded I just used the number I had to contact him directly. He asked because he actually he took his ad out for a short period, just to avoid spending all his time responding to email inquiries. Apparently he gets a ton of inquiries but not as many real clients. Of course, this escort limits his sessions to 3 per week max (one of the reasons I liked him).

[Guest greatness]

Well

 

"beg"? I read a book called "He is not that into you" It was an interesting book and made me think of how guys deal with relationships, sex and etc.

 

I am just being humorous. I just want to like to say if he didn't responded to your email maybe he wasn't that into escorting at that time. Your word "beg" bothers me a little bit as if escorts have to beg clients to be hired. I understand your frustration but still you may not know what he was go through at that time.

 

Some escorts look at how they are contacted (A piece of information given by escorts who I've hired). They have to very sensitive about it because they are going to meet a client they've never met. They share comments about their clients too.

 

 

A couple of years ago I contacted via email a NYC based escort who posts quite frequently on this site. As is my usual style it was respectfully written and precise. It was ignored for almost two weeks. Meanwhile he is posting right and left in the message forum. I did a follow up and the same thing occured... again he is posting at all times of the day (and night) with nothing else seemingly to do with his time...

 

Eventually I got the "I have been busy with other more pressing aspects of my life" email and then seemed to want to beg for my business by touting his attributes...

 

Well too little too late... Sorry buster... your loss...

[MscleLovr]

I knew some posters here would appreciate what I was writing about, and that others would rush to make 'excuses' for the guys.

 

My point in posting originally is simply this: in the middle of the worst US recession since the 1970s, guys who ask $200+ cash, free of tax, an hour cannot be bothered to respond promptly to prospective clients who enquire politely about their services

 

Now to answer points raised by various posters:

 

I don't take this personally;

 

I feel it's polite to write, rather than call, as escorts can consider it at their convenience;

 

I never contact guys way ahead of time, always within 5-7 days of a date, as I feel it's too vague to say I'd like to see you 'next month';

 

I accept that some popular guys may be booked; and

 

No, I didn't contact Kristian as he's the guy who, when working previously, cancelled on me at very short notice TWICE, knowing that I had come specially to LA to spend a night with him

 

UPDATE: I can report now as 72 hours have elapsed, I have received 3 replies.

 

Two responses are one-liners: "when do you want to meet?" and "what do you think?".

The third is properly written: he's polite and "ready to answer any queries"

 

None, however, answer the basic questions I asked about whether they're happy about what I enjoy in bed, and their rates for an extended date

 

I'm fairly amused by all this. I feel certain I'll (eventually) meet up with a good guy in LA and have some fun.

[whipped guy]

Some additional thoughts

 

I knew some posters here would appreciate what I was writing about, and that others would rush to make 'excuses' for the guys... I'm fairly amused by all this. I feel certain I'll (eventually) meet up with a good guy in LA and have some fun.

MscleLovr... With any luck you will indeed end up having some fun!!! Just out of curiosity what is the average advertised age of those you have contacted... as there is most definitely an immaturity factor that at times has to be tolerated... especially with the "When can i c u" responses...

 

"beg"?... Your word "beg" bothers me a little bit as if escorts have to beg clients to be hired…

Well probably from a semantic point of view the word "beg" was not quite 100 percent properly descriptive... perhaps "solicit" would have been more apt... But it did seem he was groveling a bit. So in retrospect let’s say he was soliciting my business by giving me a hard sell.

 

I understand your frustration but still you may not know what he was go through at that time...

As far as what he was going through at the time... well either you’re in business or out of business... A properly run business responds to inquiries in a timely fashion... If a business is temporarily closed for whatever reason such a situation should be communicated. It's called good business sense, also known as having respect not only for existing customers but for prospective clients as well...

 

A business that has permanently closed has no reason to respond to any inquiries. Likewise a business that has reached a saturation point might not want to respond... but if one wants to stay in business and maintain a certain level of “production” it is always best to respond... Even if it is simply to explain in a courteous manner why it would not be good for the parties involved to maintain a business relationship... but the initial contact should still be made and while not all clients turn out to be total gems... quite a few of those who initially seem to be bad risks will ultimately prove to be diamonds in the rough. Consequently, it is always best to err on the side of treating individuals with deference and respect.

 

Just my thoughts... and I can understand how others might run their business endeavors in a different fashion… and as alluded to above there are those who can simply afford not to care… However, I can guarantee that it will one day come back to bite them.

[Guest greatness]

Fair enough

 

I agree with you and you made your points clearly.

 

 

MscleLovr... With any luck you will indeed end up having some fun!!! Just out of curiosity what is the average advertised age of those you have contacted... as there is most definitely an immaturity factor that at times has to be tolerated... especially with the "When can i c u" responses...

 

Well probably from a semantic point of view the word "beg" was not quite 100 percent properly descriptive... perhaps "solicit" would have been more apt... But it did seem he was groveling a bit. So in retrospect let’s say he was soliciting my business by giving me a hard sell.

 

As far as what he was going through at the time... well either you’re in business or out of business... A properly run business responds to inquiries in a timely fashion... If a business is temporarily closed for whatever reason such a situation should be communicated. It's called good business sense, also known as having respect not only for existing customers but for prospective clients as well...

 

A business that has permanently closed has no reason to respond to any inquiries. Likewise a business that has reached a saturation point might not want to respond... but if one wants to stay in business and maintain a certain level of “production” it is always best to respond... Even if it is simply to explain in a courteous manner why it would not be good for the parties involved to maintain a business relationship... but the initial contact should still be made and while not all clients turn out to be total gems... quite a few of those who initially seem to be bad risks will ultimately prove to be diamonds in the rough. Consequently, it is always best to err on the side of treating individuals with deference and respect.

 

Just my thoughts... and I can understand how others might run their business endeavors in a different fashion… and as alluded to above there are those who can simply afford not to care… However, I can guarantee that it will one day come back to bite them.

[whipped guy]

Yes fair enough

 

Greatness... as someone who has been in business (not the "oldest business" mind you) for quite a while, I have some definite thoughts regarding how things should operate.

 

Now I have mentioned this before in this forum, but I once took a course the gist of which was that a business should be run as if it were an escort service... Of course the basic premise was that customers should be pampered, treated with respect, and should leave with smiles on their faces. However, in light of how some "working guys" run their businesses I would have to say that such a premise is flawed indeed!

 

Still, the most successful guys are certainly those that have a good feel for the "business" aspects in the best Wall Street sense. They treat clients respectfully, are cogent in there communications, honest in their advertisements, and schedule clients in an organized and systemic manner. Of course they have to have a good "product"... but many guys can provide the goods... but it is that icing on the cake, the feeling that they are willing to go the extra mile, and the sense that they actually "care" about their clients that will always make them a cut above the rest.

[tallguy]

LA Escorts

 

Msclelovr

 

Not sure which escorts you contacted but I agree with all your points. Not sure what kind of guy you are looking for but I have had great luck with Rod Hagen. If you are looking for a nice guy with a worked out body and a top with stamina I have never seen before he would be your man. He is always quick to respond.

[Rod Hagen]

MusclLovr. Too bad you're a top only. I answer emails promptly and, more importantly, am considered darn fun.

[Okliehomo]

Kristian.... the best....

 

Hey.... you and I have talked in the past... mostly about Antony/Spain... but just want to tell you that Kristian is back in the game and for real..... just saw him on Memorial Day and he is hotter than ever and.... conducting his business, accordingly.

 

This kid has always had a genuine kindness, and sincerity.... a real sweetness about him.. but he now also has a very assured sense of who he is as a man..... and he delivers....

 

When David first saw him at the airport in Dallas, he texted me that "OMG... he is so gorgeous.... I just want to rape him right here and now"" ... but not in like some fucked up over a log Ned Beatty way, but more like a once you see that ass... oh, buddy... you either have to grip it while he's in you, eat it while he's on your face or fuck it while he offers it to you.... legs up, on his stomach, on his knees.. this man aims to please....

 

I liked it a lot. Can't get him out of my head...... that hot and that hung and that gorgeous........

 

Could this mean that my obsession with David is over??? Hmmmmm.

 

I wish.

 

Maybe.

 

Doubt it.

 

Never.

 

Okie

[MscleLovr]

Okie, do you feel you might be becoming obsessed? ;-)

 

PS

Of course, I recall. I'm travelling shortly but I must PM you: Antony is looking as fit as ever and his muscled butt remains eminently pumpable. I should tell you about him.

[josephga]

Allot of guys Don't like emails because some clients over use it or abuse it. This morning I had a guy email me about a massage. 5 emails later and no appointment. He wasted time asking one question at a time pr email questions already answered on my site. His 5th email was do you look like your pics? I mailed him back and told him if he had bothered looking at my site he would see some pics are time stamped but unfortunately for you we are 5 emails in and no appointment so I see you as a time waster and will pass... Keep in mind I get 75.00 for a massage imo I shouldn't have to take more than 1 to 2 emails too close the deal

[Okliehomo]

Antony/Madrid....

 

Dammit. Now I am obsessing about him again.... Seriously, if I could get him and Franco/Paris... I would go quietly into my retirement. I started to say, gracefully, but it is way too late for that.

 

Okie

[Bart]

Come on Okie, you have room at the top for another person to join David, Kristian would be an excellent choice to join up there. You just tell David he is going to have to sit on Kristian's ahhh "lap" to stay in the penthouse.

 

Muscle man I do agree with you that responses from guys are at best sporadic. I am also an email guy. I actually think part of the problem is many guys hate to read anything more than two words. I prefer to put details into emails so they can respond specifically, but reality shows that even 50% of the guys that actually do respond, dont read what I wrote anyway.

 

I generally tell guys that I have sent out a couple of requests like you did 8-10 knowing I will only get a response for maybe 4-5 guys. I had one guy tell me after he found out that I was talking with two other guys about coming, that I was operating like a slave owner and how dare I treat guys like slaves.

 

I stongly believe each gentleman needs to operate his business as he sees fit, I just think they miss opportunities when they choose not to respond requests with in a timely manner, hopefully 24 hours.

[JT Brooklyn]

Franco Paris

 

Dammit. Now I am obsessing about him again.... Seriously, if I could get him and Franco/Paris... I would go quietly into my retirement. I started to say, gracefully, but it is way too late for that.

 

Okie

Oh Yeah Okie! Franco Paris No Recent Reviews of The Major French Hunk!

 

I think he still Flys "In and Out" of NYC under the Radar though?

[Okliehomo]

Sorry... no penthouse....

 

I'm not Lisa Douglas.... well, maybe a little... Oklahoma is where I'd rather stay....

 

Now, I do have a throne.... which I think technically speaking is my face... is that what you are referring to? He has been called King David before, you know.... (not by me.... by some of his other minions.. lackies... toadies... deservedly adoring fans..).. But you know, speaking again, technically, that ... um... throne has been used ALOT and not always by... um... royalty... But then, again, there were a lot of queens... and they were very, very clean.... and that means a lot..

 

And Bart, dammit, David is a total top... though you have seen all the videos to the contrary, haven't you??

 

Maybe, I just need to ask Justice to give Kristian his belt.... that usually does the trick, so to speak. Give that some thought before the 4th....

 

Now, as for Franco... going to have to cast the net a little wider and maybe, just maybe, go back to one at a time.... Kristian has tempted me to do that as well... and the ever elusive Lucas....

 

Time will, undoubtedly, tell.

 

Okie