Serious question about escorts and drugs

[phage]

>My particular rule is that you don't use drugs when you are

>with me. If they take my money afterwards and run straight

>to the corner thats their business.

 

Do you make that clear when you are setting up the appointment? Does the escort understand that this is a deal breaker? And does it include Viagra?

 

I personally never ask an escort about his drug habits or anything else about his personal life. What you SEE is what you get. What’s under that skin is their own business and nobody else’s.

[Traveller]

>My particular rule is that you don't use drugs when you are

>with me. If they take my money afterwards and run straight

>to the corner thats their business.

 

And my particular rule is that if you do drugs when you're with me, you share. The most horrible part of this story is that he went in the bathroom and bogarted the goods. Bad escort.

 

Later.

 

PS. T2, tina takes continuous use? Huh? One bump lasts me for 5 or 6 hours at least and I'm a pharmaceutical cow. Oops, I forgot that you don't have a heart. My mistake.

[Guest TruthTeller]

>And my particular rule is that if you do drugs when you're

>with me, you share. The most horrible part of this story is

>that he went in the bathroom and bogarted the goods. Bad

>escort.

 

Personally, I think it should be illegal for an escort to do drugs - without offering to share with the client.

 

>PS. T2, tina takes continuous use? Huh? One bump lasts me

>for 5 or 6 hours at least and I'm a pharmaceutical cow.

 

One bump lasts you 5 or 6 hours? What kind of pussy are you? Do you also get sloppy drunk after you take one sip of a pina coloda with an umbrella in it?

 

I know the vast contingent of the Board just loves our discussion about how many crystal bumps is optimal -- and I want to say that my knowledge in this area, unlike yours, is purely abstract and clinical -- but I think most people who do crystal, and who are not pussies, like to take bumps throughout the evening at nicely dispersed intervals, so as to keep the high stable and constant.

 

Also, if one is about to enter into an imminent sexual encounter, a bump or two immediately beforehand is nice fuel for the car.

 

Next week, I'll have tips for how best to insert heroin needles.

[Guest TruthTeller]

>I do know people who use drugs as recreational users. They

>use occasinally and genrally with a group of freinds. Your

>example of meth does not fit the bill, for, to qoute you "it

>requires continuous use". If you cannot go without a fix for

>a couple hours , you are an addict.

 

People can do a drug once every six months or so, or once every six weeks for that matter, but on the night they're doing it, love it and want to take it in an ongoing manner so as to keep the high stable and constant, or to charge it now and then. Such a person is hardly a drug addict.

 

>As for your point about needing a bump or a couple swigs of

>whiskey, I would say that these are warning signs. A person

>who needs drugs to function, needs to carefully monitor his

>drug use before it becomes a serious problem.

 

There is a difference which children learn between want and need. The escort may have wanted the crystal before sex because it makes it more enjoyable. That is not tantamount to "needing" it, like an alcoholic needs a drink.

 

>However, in this context, the whole recreational drug use

>thread is irrelavant. What matters is a person's comfort

>level with drug use. The question of escorts and drugs is

>quite simply my house, my time, my dime, my rules. If a

>person is uncomfortable with drugs then he should not allow

>an escort to use during their session.

 

See Phage's reply to you - I concur with it in its entirety.

 

>My particular rule is that you don't use drugs when you are

>with me. If they take my money afterwards and run straight

>to the corner thats their business.

 

How about if they toot up right before they see you? And I can almost assure you that if you don't make it clear to the escort that you don't want to be with an escort who is high, then you've been with many escorts before who were, whether or not you knew it.

[Will]

Gabe, you're an angel, but I was wrong. Plain and simple. But thanks for being nice about it.

[Guest cp8036]

<....Personally, I think it should be illegal for an escort to do drugs - without offering to share with the client...>

 

 

I think in certain counties in Nevada it is unlawful for an escort not to share a bump or two with a client.

[Guest cp8036]

Will,

 

There are no wrong answers, just as no correct ones.

 

Most is opinion and speculation.

[+ Lucky]

TT(sic): "Next week I'll have tips for how best to insert heroin needlews."

Darn, I thought you'd be an expert on inserting hemorrhoid suppositories! Or do we have to wait another week for that lesson?

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Darn, I thought you'd be an expert on inserting hemorrhoid

>suppositories! Or do we have to wait another week for that

>lesson?

 

Lucky - if, as seems to be the case, you want my advice on how to treat your bleeding, itchy hemorroids, all you have to do is ask. No need to couch it in abstract inquiries.

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Gabe, you're an angel, but I was wrong. Plain and simple.

>But thanks for being nice about it.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have to compliment you for so expressly retracting and repudiating your original opinion upon further reflection. An ability to do that is an admirable and uncommon attribute.

[+ deej]

>Most is opinion and speculation.

 

Or, to quote Lily Tomlin, "Reality is just a collective hunch".

[+ Lucky]

TT(sic): Yes, can you please give me the benefit of your experience in how to handle those itchy bleedy problems!

(I am slowly beginning to think you may have some sort of sense of humor.)

[Guest regulation]

>The idea that there's evidence that the escort was using

>drugs at all is precarious at best.

 

Well let's see. The escort arrives, the first thing he does is ask to use the bathroom, when he emerges he is wiping his nose and his emotional state is much different than when he arrived . . . naaah, couldn't be drugs.

 

 

>But the idea that

>there's evidence he's a full-fledged drug addict is just

>absurd. Such a belief grows out of an irrational, Nancy

>Reagan-esque view of drugs as The Ultimate, Unqualified,

>Unspeakable Evil, rather than any informed assessment

 

Other than unprotected sex with a prostitute and hang-gliding, there is no more dangerous practice I can think of than the use of psychotropic drugs without medical supervision.

 

 

>When someone is using, say, methamphetimines, the high

>obtained from it requires continuous use. If the escort

>travelled to the client's house, he likely was unable to use

>it in transit, and knew he would be unlikely to have an

>opportunity to use it once he began sexually interacting

>with the client. Going into the client's bathroom to give

>him his fill for the session before beginning was therefore

>necessary and rational, and hardly the sign of some out of

>control addict.

 

Anyone who uses meth to maintain a "continuous" high fits my definition of an addict.

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Well let's see. The escort arrives, the first thing he does

>is ask to use the bathroom, when he emerges he is wiping his

>nose and his emotional state is much different than when he

>arrived . . . naaah, couldn't be drugs.

 

It could be drugs. It could also be cold medication. It could also be a need to use the bathroom for its customary use. The original poster did not report that "his emotional state (was) much different than when he arrived." In fact, he did not say his emotional state changed at all. He simply said he seemed slightly agitated.

 

Since he went to the bathroom as soon as he arrived, the poster had no basis for comparing his post-bathroom state to his pre-bathroom state. More importantly, I am sure slight agitation is a common emotional state for many escorts, drug-free or otherwise, when entering a new client's home for the first time.

 

>Other than unprotected sex with a prostitute and

>hang-gliding, there is no more dangerous practice I can

>think of than the use of psychotropic drugs without medical

>supervision.

 

Regardless of frequency? You think recretaional or periodic drug use is more dangerous than, say, drinking and driving? You think recretional use of such drugs is more dangerous than daily alcohol usage or poor diet combined with a sedentary lifestyle? Given that the latter activities are far, far more fatal than the former, what possible basis, other than irrational anti-drug hysteria, could you have for such a belief?

 

Wouldn't you agree that the vast majority of people who have used "psychotropic drugs without medical supervision" are functioning, healthy adults?

 

>Anyone who uses meth to maintain a "continuous" high fits my

>definition of an addict.

 

By "continuous," I made clear that I meant over the course of the evening or the drug session, and not "continuous" over the course of the person's life.

 

You think that someone who takes crystal, say, twice a year - and when, while taking it, maintains a continuous high for the evening - is an "addict"? That's an odd definition of addict you've developed.

 

Do you recognize any distinction between "drug user" and "drug addict," or are they synonymous to you?

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Wouldn't you agree that the vast majority of people who have used "psychotropic drugs without medical supervision" are functioning, healthy adults?<

 

I'm high on peyote right now, and am funkshunning fine. Once my breathing gets back to normal, my physical health will be tip-top as well. All this and I'm completely unchaperoned. Now I must buzz past Castaneda's place to pull a few tubes before astrally projecting to Grandma's for some wiccan bacchannalia. Gotta love the holidays. Long live the Carrot King!

[Guest Stefano]

>Getting back to the original poster's question, however, I

>have the following thoughts on drug users:

>(1) The probability of quitting when motivated is pretty

>low, around 10-15% per attempt.

 

And what motivates a person do you think? This is off the topic but I am just curious as to what you think motivates a person to quit using. I know they say you must hit rock bottom but do you feel that is the case with every drug addict?

 

>(2) The probability of quitting when not motivated is

>absolutely zero.

 

I will agree with you completely on this one. This is a sad issue because those who have no motivation are those who are in denial about their problems. Now I honestly have no issue with those who use recreationally and have actually known people that were able to use recreationally. But for those that say they use recreationally and do so 7 days a week there's something funny there.

 

>(3) Your personal feelings about drug use will never be a

>motivation for quitting for any drug user, even if you're in

>a close relationship or related by blood (which I'm guessing

>you weren't).

 

Again I will have to agree, BUT, and it's a big but, it doesn't mean that voicing your feelings wont have any impact on how that person views his life in using. In fact it could very well be the beginning of a long a tuff journey for that person but it's at least the beginning.

 

>(4) I'm not criticizing the original poster, but paying the

>full amount/hugging the guy is simply enabling behavior.

>It's certainly not motiviation to quit.

>

It's no motivation correct, but it does show a caring heart and although you(poster) may not have done it the same way if given a chance to turn back time, there should be no reason for guilt over actions that grew from the heart.

 

>The only motivation I can think of, off hand, which you

>might be able to give him in your brief encounter might be

>informational. For example, you might say "Did you know

>that coke or crank/meth use will cause you to lose your

>ability to have erections in time?" Not that this one

>statement will make him turn around, but it might be added

>to his file if he comes across another adverse consequence

>to drug use.

 

Ans then you could have told him that only 10-15 percent of people who try to quit with have motivation in their hands will actually make it. That's what I call a winning combination in making a person stop and think of what he's doing with his life.

 

Sorry to be sarcastic here but when I was using and basically fried all the time the only things I ever remember are the feelings and attitudes that I got from people who knew. And I can say that the heart and love I got has done far more than the pamplets I read Not to shoot down the pamplets but they seem to come in handy moreso now that I'm sober enough to comprehend all that is said...

 

 

That's all I go...So Far.

 

Mike ;-)~ <--M.M.O.T.

[Guest Stefano]

>I’m going to have to agree with the bad boys. You leaped

>right from “clearly on some drug” to “help this escort if he

>has a drug habit.” (I do notice you use “if” so you are

>leaving some room for an over reaction.)

 

Perhaps yes, or perhaps no.. I know that I can't make that statement due to the fact that I wasn't there and didn't see him. But I do believe that our intuitions are usually correct. Unless you had just finished watching some special on 20/20 about drug addicts before your meeting. Well that or you ead my post from London a few months back. LOL

>

>As stated, many men are able to keep recreational drugs in

>proper perspective without impacting their lives. Most

>everyone I know uses drugs to some extent when they are in

>party mode, and other than isolated incidents of someone

>getting too messed up on a given night, they are hardly

>ruining their lives. There is probably a physical price

>being paid, but having fun while you’re alive is just as

>important as living many, many years.

>

 

That's true as well, but I also know many who as a result of recreational use, their lives were cut far short from "many, many years." I'm really not trying to be opposing all the time here and I do see it from both sides, but I just feel the need to voice both sides.

 

 

>This guy sounds like he had his act together. That and

>having perfect skin (I’ve never seen a crystal freak with a

>good complexion.) seem to indicate that he had things under

>control.

 

LOL! I'm sorry I can't help myself with this one. But I'm not sure if anyone's ever heard of Proactive or noxema but they worked pretty well for me. I think the most pimples I ever had while using was at max 4..

 

He may have just been doing a bump to help ensure

>you had a good time. Crystal is considered a sex drug and

>it can be a LOT of fun to fool around when you’re a little

>tweaked. I can’t see much difference between a bump and a

>hit of Viagra.

 

Well the difference is that viagra gets you hard and crystal gets you hard and very insecure if you are on it and trying to hide it. Not to mention paranoia. Making a great combination for a horrible experience.

 

Just me...

[Guest WetDream]

I've missed your posts recently, JC; keep 'em coming. Carlos who? Is he an escort?}>

[Guest Stefano]

>>Your suspicion that the escort is an habitual user seems

>>well founded. Someone who would fix in the home of a

>>stranger he had just met a few minutes earlier is probably a

>>major addict. People who have their drug use under control

>>are usually a bit more discreet about it.

 

This statement reminds me of a time that I was "in the bathroom" for sometime trying to ensure a good time for my client. In fact I tried to ensure that satisfaction many times throughout the meeting. I wonder how many times this escort would have done so?

 

>

>The idea that there's evidence that the escort was using

>drugs at all is precarious at best. But the idea that

>there's evidence he's a full-fledged drug addict is just

>absurd. Such a belief grows out of an irrational, Nancy

>Reagan-esque view of drugs as The Ultimate, Unqualified,

>Unspeakable Evil, rather than any informed assessment.

 

LOL. That's fucking funny!I really like that one!

 

>

>Based on this client's observation that the escort came out

>of the bathroom and sniffled a few times, multiple people

>have histrionically labelled him a drug addict and debated

>how best to save this poor soul from imminent destruction.

>To describe these reactions is to define the term hysteria.

 

Really? That's strange because I thought that the title of the subject here was "Serious question about escorts and drugs" not "VOLUNTEERS NEEDED FOR EMERGENCY INTERVENTION!!"

[Guest Stefano]

And what counties are you talking about?I just wanna make sure that if I'm in one of them that I stock up for the busy christmas season. Just kidding..

 

><....Personally, I think it should be illegal for an escort

>to do drugs - without offering to share with the client...>

>

>

>I think in certain counties in Nevada it is unlawful for an

>escort not to share a bump or two with a client.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Carlos who? Is he an escort?<

 

He'll escort you through magical realms of spiritual wonder, but you should probably rub one out before leaving your house.

 

>I've missed your posts recently, JC; keep 'em coming.<

 

Thanks wet. I've missed visiting these boards too, but I've been busy doing real work on a fucking job. Things got even uglier when I arrived at the jobsite and discovered I had to keep my clothes on the whole time. I don't know how all those nine to fivers out there do it!

[Guest cmax]

Since I started this thread, the escort in question has been reviewed again. The client writes:

 

"But the really disappointing part was that the escort was way to "high" to even try to get a erection", and follows on with a largely negative review, recommending this escort only to "clients who wish to get high at the same time".

[Guest regulation]

>It could be drugs. It could also be cold medication. It

>could also be a need to use the bathroom for its customary

>use. The original poster did not report that "his emotional

>state (was) much different than when he arrived." In fact,

>he did not say his emotional state changed at all. He

>simply said he seemed slightly agitated.

>

>Since he went to the bathroom as soon as he arrived, the

>poster had no basis for comparing his post-bathroom state to

>his pre-bathroom state. More importantly, I am sure slight

>agitation is a common emotional state for many escorts,

>drug-free or otherwise, when entering a new client's home

>for the first time.

>

 

I think it's a little absurd to challenge someone's account of an event when he witnessed it, you didn't witness it, you don't know any of the people involved, and you know nothing about the event other than a brief description he gave you. The facts cmax cites support his conclusion, and although that is not the only possible conclusion I defer to him as the one who actually saw what happened. I didn't see it and neither did you. There seems to be some additional evidence to support cmax's conclusion, as he relates in his post #46 below.

 

>Regardless of frequency? You think recretaional or periodic

>drug use is more dangerous than, say, drinking and driving?

>You think recretional use of such drugs is more dangerous

>than daily alcohol usage or poor diet combined with a

>sedentary lifestyle? Given that the latter activities are

>far, far more fatal than the former, what possible basis,

>other than irrational anti-drug hysteria, could you have for

>such a belief?

>

 

I think that the unsupervised use of psychotropic substances is more dangerous than just about anything, given the fact that for many such substances their effects on human biochemistry are not fully understood. That's because many of the chemicals kids use to get high these days were never intended by their makers to be ingested by human beings at all, while others were intended for human use only in very specific and highly controlled situations. In the case of ecstasy, for example, there is no one at present who can tell you with any certainty what its longterm effect will be on the brain of a user, regardless of the frequency of use.

 

>Wouldn't you agree that the vast majority of people who have

>used "psychotropic drugs without medical supervision" are

>functioning, healthy adults?

 

I have no idea whether they are or not and neither do you, since no reliable studies exist to support any particular answer to that question.

 

>By "continuous," I made clear that I meant over the course

>of the evening or the drug session, and not "continuous"

>over the course of the person's life.

>

 

No, you didn't make that clear. Those words were not in your original post.

 

 

>You think that someone who takes crystal, say, twice a year

>- and when, while taking it, maintains a continuous high for

>the evening - is an "addict"? That's an odd definition of

>addict you've developed.

 

>Do you recognize any distinction between "drug user" and

>"drug addict," or are they synonymous to you?

 

 

I recognize that not everyone who ingests chemicals that science has shown to be addictive becomes an addict. As I said in my first post, the fact that someone is so anxious to ingest such a chemical that he interrupts an appointment to fix at the home of a complete stranger supports the conclusion that he is an addict.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Thank you, I was going to word it pretty much the same, I know drugs are suppoed to be an accessory to us escorts because Hey! that was what it was all about 15 years ago, must be the same now.

[SmallTownJohn]

Hey there,

 

Regardless, you hired him thinking he would be coherent without post snort nasal drip. And he should have been a bit more professional about his actions.

 

 

John