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Help OZ

 

It was a very late night dinner and there were 3 courses. :)

 

I met this kid online and thought he was hot. I called him and invited him to my hotel. I left word for the front desk that I was expecting company and to take his ID and send him up. They did and when the doorbell rang, I opened it and stood there gawking.

 

He was stunning. His pictures do not do him justice. He is sexy and sexy and even sexier than I can say. :) He was dressed beautifully and he is masculine. He has a beautiful face and body and for those of you I sent pics to last night, you can attest to that. :) I think I got more responses from his photos than anyone I have met here! ;) Even Firecat was foaming! :)

 

Anyway, we chatted a bit and he asked if I wanted him to stay all night. I asked him the price as I was unable to get that from him on the phone. He said his rate for overnight was 600 US. I was floored. After I picked my jaw up, I politely told him no and was going to give him money for a taxi. We spent over 40 min talking about money and sex. His response over and over was that the other boys were bon but he was BON BON BON. I finally got him to a decent price. (note to others, decent meaning something I was willing to pay and not a decent price for Brazil. I still payed him over 10 times what I would normally pay in Brazil for an overnight).

 

He was simply amazing in bed. He was agressive, passionate, fun and naughty. It was very nice and he was right, he was great in bed. His lack of english is great and we have great trouble communicating. But, wow, it was great looking at him. He is adorable and I wanted to take him with me to Thailand. He saw the pictures I had taken of a boy I took from Brazil to Paris last year. He was friends with the guy and said he had heard of me. He then said that he wanted to go to Rio with me for a week and would give me a great rate for the week. Now, I know his rate is not much back in the USA, but I often get into trouble with the locals for paying to much.

 

My dilema is that he is worth the money. I can afford it. It is creating a bad precedent especially if I take him to Europe with me this summer. I am at a loss to know what to do! Should I follow Marc Anthony's advice and snag him up and spend the rest of my vacation with him or should I follow my Brazilian friend's advice and tell him to have a nice life.

 

Lastly, the pic above REALLY does not do him justice!

 

Advice?

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RE: Help OZ

 

Hey Oz,

 

There are always some exceptions to the rule when it comes to pricing. Even in the USA there are escorts who get considerably more then the going rate. Especially when you realize many escorts discount their long term rates from their listed rates. Then there are a few who never discount because they are in demand.

 

Bottom line , I believe as a general rule , you should not pay much over the going rate in a foreign land . But there are always some boys who can get it and if you don't give it to them somebody else will.

 

If the kid rocks your boat , give him the money it is still a bargain compared to your recent sprees.

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>> There seems to be an attitude there for foreigners and that we are going there to take away the guys from the natives

 

That's not only in Sao Paulo, but many of the locals in Rio do not like our over-spending ways!

 

>> Aparently, there was a misunderstanding and the boy did not bottom for the American man. Even though he did other things, the guy was refusing to pay anything.

 

Sounds like a classic example of a hustler over-committing to get the deal but it's not right to give the boy nothing. That's why it's important for us to clearly lay out the ground rules up front so there's no misunderstanding. It was a nice gesture for you to smooth over American-Brazil relations -- you might have saved him from bodily harm, but he might not still realize that his actions do not play in Brazil. He could have wound up as a statistic in Brazil's rather large homicide rate over a mere $R30.

 

>> He said his rate for overnight was 600 US. I was floored.

 

He IS a stunner, but if it had been me, I would have been tempted to slam the door in his face! (jk BTW, not jfk!) It seems to be another reason to negotiate these things up front. Maybe, I'm being overly sentimental, but if a guy insists on an amount exceedingly over the going rate, IMHO it totally ruins the fantasy. Unless, it was Brad Pitt at my front door!

 

Here's a guy that a friend of mine went with for R$80, a few months later he was asking US$200, a few months later he's being kept in a villa in Austria.

 

http://www.geocities.com/raylanbrazil/home.html

 

No wonder the locals are upset with us!

 

Dear, if you want to drive up the Brazilian escort stock market, it's your money. But please keep in mind, there are some of us that like it the way it is now, including the locals. We just might meet the man of our dreams that doesn't expect a trip to Austria! :-)

 

- Drey

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>My dilema is that he is worth the money. I can afford it. It

>is creating a bad precedent especially if I take him to Europe

>with me this summer. I am at a loss to know what to do!

>Should I follow Marc Anthony's advice and snag him up and

>spend the rest of my vacation with him or should I follow my

>Brazilian friend's advice and tell him to have a nice life.

>

 

 

OZ, I have the perfect solution. How do you pay him way over the going rate without fucking up the local economy and pissing off the locals?

 

Easy. Just wrap him up and send him to Boston for a week. Certainly wont offend the Boston locals -- I guarantee. :7 And won't distort the 'local market' there or here. Your happy, you paid him what you want, he's happy, he gets want he wants and a trip to boot, and best of all I am happy to offer you my help to make his dreams and yours come true. }(

 

 

 

How's that for a great solution? :7

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>Bottom line , I believe as a general rule , you should not pay

>much over the going rate in a foreign land . But there are

>always some boys who can get it and if you don't give it to

>them somebody else will.

>

>If the kid rocks your boat , give him the money it is still a

>bargain compared to your recent sprees.

 

Well put Fire. I think this is one boy who can get it from others fairly easily. I seems to come from more middle class upbringing and the money is not as important to him as to many. In many places, he is a bargain and someone I would take on trips with me overseas.

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It

>seems to be another reason to negotiate these things up front.

> Maybe, I'm being overly sentimental, but if a guy insists on

>an amount exceedingly over the going rate, IMHO it totally

>ruins the fantasy. Unless, it was Brad Pitt at my front

>door!

 

Thanks. I did try to find out prices for him before but my only contact with him was via phone and we spent over 20 min on phone trying to talk with no success. I finally got someone from the hotel on the line and just told them to tell him to come to my room. I figured that was better to to tell them what I would pay for him. :) So, it was not possible for me to talk up front about money. Also, this is just another reason that I wish I had Eduardo with me for my trip. He always did the talking in advance and probably would have saved me a fortune the other night! :)

 

>Dear, if you want to drive up the Brazilian escort stock

>market, it's your money. But please keep in mind, there are

>some of us that like it the way it is now, including the

>locals. We just might meet the man of our dreams that doesn't

>expect a trip to Austria! :-)

>

>- Drey

 

I never try to drive up any escort stock market. I pay going rates everywhere I go. I do tip for good service but I have never once on this trip been with a sauna guy for more than 50R that was agreed to up front. I do tip for good service and I do tip for good bottoms. But, I usually pay going rate. As my good friend Firecat pointed out, there are exceptions to every rule, if my lust for this guy is great, I'll pay him handsomly for this services. I just needed a little input from the guys out in Hooville to make my mind up!

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Saint Tampa

 

Tampa,

 

As always you are a source of true enlightenment. Your ideas sounds of pure wisdom and un-abashing generosity. I am so lucky to have a friend like you who will step up to the plate and help me in my hour of need. :) You are truly a Saint among men. Thank you!

 

PS: Both Firecat and Marc Anthony offered the same thing after they saw the pictures I sent. :) I now see what all 4 of us have in common! :)

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Why would anyone begrudge a Brazilian sauna boy making as much money as clients are willing to pay or ending up being kept in a castle in Austria!? I say more power to these successful boys. This is an example of American capitalism at its finest. Look how Arnold Scwazeneggar used his body to eventually end up in the governor's mansion in California, and is now even trying to get the constitution changed so he can run for president.

 

I don't buy the argument that we have to pay these boys the same rate as their local clients. We spend thousands of dollars travelling from the US and staying in nice hotels in Brazil and then fault a boy who is giving us his beautiful body for good sex and companionship when he asks to be paid more than $R50 (about $20). Just because an american pays more than $R50 doesn't mean the local clients have to pay more. There aren't enough Americans to buy up all the boys in the saunas so there will be many boys who will still agree to go with the locals for $R50.

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>Why would anyone begrudge a Brazilian sauna boy making as

>much money as clients are willing to pay or ending up being

>kept in a castle in Austria!?

 

Nobody begrudges a sauna boy for trying to make the best of his assets. As other posters have said, there are exceptions to all rules, and some guys are worth more than others. If you develop a serious relationship with one of the guys there's nothing the matter with helping him financially in a more substantial way.

 

As a general rule, though, YOU SHOULD NOT OVERPAY. It distorts the local economy, angers the local clients, leads to unrealistic expectations among the sauna guys, and exposes you to problems with the guys that can lead to BIG trouble during your stay. See other postings for the details.

 

Remember always that you're in a different country, in a different economy, and in most cases, in a place with a culture and a language you don't fully understand. Most of the sauna guys are honest and decent. Some of them are true princes. At least a few, unfortunately, are con artists and opportunists, and it can be difficult for a visitor who doesn't know the language, scene and culture to sort out which is which. One thing is certain though: if you're throwing money around wildly (by Brazilian standards) you'll attract the attention of the scammers. If you stick to local pricing, it tells the guys you're familiar with the local scene and that you're not an easy mark. Being sensible in your spending is not only appropriate for the local economy, it also will help to keep you safe during your visit.

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FRAGATA

R. Francisco Leitão, 71

Pinheiros

 

I always have a good time at Fragata. It is a nice place. The rates to get in and to have a room are reasonable and the boys are cute. The guys often range from average to great. There seem to be a ton of average boys there the times I have been. The customers seem to be loyal to the place and have a good relationship with the boys. Drinks are cheap and the place is clean and well-run.

 

The room was nice and had a shower inside. There is a waiting room with tables where you can watch the boys shower or watch the latest soccer game. There were few pressure sales during my visit there today. I have been to Fragata at least 8 times. I think I have found someone there each time I have gone there. Most of the time, I only find one or two that I really like but that is all it takes to make me happy.

 

Today, I noticed a very muscular guy named Hercules. He was dancing at LeBoy once and I remembered him. His body is totally perfect with no body fat, a 6 pack and well portioned. He spoke no english but I was able to understand he would be back in Rio to gogo at LeBoy during carnival. He said he was 29 but I think he is perhaps about 5 or so years beyond that. While I normally like twinks, his body was what I wanted and he agreed to bottom with no hesitation whatsoever. I asked him how much and he said 40R. I agreed and off to the room we went. Perhaps the best BJ I have gotten from a sauna boy and very passionate and fun. He was also a great bottom.

 

I got to Fragata early and stayed a few hours till around 6:30 PM when I headed to LaGoa to meet friends. I had a nice time there and will go back again often! However, the boys there do not compare to the ones at LaGoa but neither does the attitude. ;) Just my opinion.

 

At LoGoa I met with my little girly boy from a few days ago. He immediately wanted to play and I agreed. :) When I say boy he was 18 and when I say girly, he really was. Long hair, long nails and a nice priss about him. :) As most of you know, I like that sometimes and he is the most feminine I have found down here and I will see him many times during my visit.

 

Then, I was tired, exhausted and finished for the night. But, there was a guy that I thought was adorable and I really wanted to fuck him. I knew I did not have it in me so I got another guy from there that I enjoy to fuck him for me. I told both of them up front that I would pay the regular fee only if they put on a great show for me. They did. Aparently, the masculine guy had wanted to fuck the boy for a while and he had the opportunity to not only do it but to get paid for it.

 

It was a fun show with tons of positions and a nice amount of cum. The cum came from them as I was drained and dead. But, the show was fun and for less than 40US, I had a front row seat (or bed). :)

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I agree with most of the things Tri said. My boy is not a sauna boy and his rates are different. I always pay sauna rates at the sauna. But, I could not get this to go to a sauna and take the 50R. :) So, I brought the sauna to me. :)

 

As always, Tri gives great advice and I generally stick to his suggestions. But, like he said, there are exceptions. I found one on my last trip here and I may have found one on this trip. As I have promised myself to never let one get away from me without giving it my best shot, he is on the way to my room in a taxi now. We will see where the night takes us and I'll see if he snores. If he does not snore, get really Rio, Oz will have a date for Carnival! :)

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Oz, have you been to Sao Paulo more than once? I know you've stated that you've been to Rio on another occasion besides your present stint.

 

I'm glad that you were able to go to Lagoa. Although I have been there only once, I liked the place and its guys. I felt comfortable and took control of the situation. I was also elated when guys would approach me and if I were not interested and would politely decline, the guys themselves would smile and quietly walk away.

 

And Oz, since you do not speak Portuguese (I don't either, unfortunately...)-- the escorts outside of the sauna will definitely raise their prices. When I saw my three guys from the Olimpos site, I had my guide to make the arrangements. All three charged R$150 + taxi fare of around $R20 or R$30. I was fine with this.

 

In 2003 when I saw Caique from Apollus, Carlo (in Rio or my guide in Sao Paulo) made the arrangements; the price was affordable, and I paid in reais.

 

Just thought I'd write the above and suggest that if possible, please get someone whom you trust to make arrangements prior to your seeing the guys who tend to work independently.

Also, to see some really hot guys, check out and perhaps join Olimpos.com.br. There are so many guys that it's mindboggling!

 

Continue to enjoy the world's third largest city, the culture, and the guys in/from Sao Paulo. ...:9 :9

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Hi Oz,

 

I didn't mean to imply that you were single-handedly affecting the Brazilian escort stock market. Even though I wish I owned shares in it! :-) From what it sounded, you were considering increasing your boy expenditures by 10 times what you would normally pay in Brazil for an overnight and asking for advice.

 

Of course, there are exceptions to pricing as Fire mentioned. If you find the boy of your dreams and wish to take him back to the US (or your Austrian castle) or have a committed relationship, there's no reason not to shower him with affection and financial security. Otherwise, I bet he's going to talk to his friends about all the money he made from his gringo friend. Word gets around quickly.

 

As far as the locals go, My first trip there, I made it a point to speak to one of the locals at 117 just to see things from their point of view. Maybe you could do so as well, with Eduardo's help. It was a little uncomfortable at first, but then we ended up shaking hands as friends. To me, it was a rewarding experience.

 

Say hi to Eduardo for me the next time you see him.

 

Tchau,

Drey

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>Hi Oz,

>

>I didn't mean to imply that you were single-handedly affecting

>the Brazilian escort stock market. Even though I wish I owned

>shares in it! :-)

 

I wish I had the ability to single-handedly affect it. :) I don't. :) But, that is what dreams are made of.

 

 

From what it sounded, you were considering

>increasing your boy expenditures by 10 times what you would

>normally pay in Brazil for an overnight and asking for

>advice.

 

You are right, I was asking for advice. The rate I am paying him is much more than a boy I would pick up from the sauna. But, I did not pick him up from the sauna. I found him online and with a service that caters to many Americans and charges more for the boy's services.

 

>Of course, there are exceptions to pricing as Fire mentioned.

>If you find the boy of your dreams and wish to take him back

>to the US (or your Austrian castle) or have a committed

>relationship, there's no reason not to shower him with

>affection and financial security.

 

I really don't mind showering him with affection and financial security but have been around too long to know that a committed relationship once I leave Brazil is no longer committed. I have done that in the past and with diasterous results. :) It does work with with my boyfriend in Thailand as he prefers to date ladyboys and girls as opposed to men and I give more money each month that he could possibly ever make in Thailand. When I am there, he is there for me 24/7 and when I am away, he is having fun in the sun. That is fine with me as I want to baske in the sun occassionally as well. I don't expect a 19 year old to be totally committed and monogomous with me. What a fucking boring life that would be! I do expect respect and honesty. With those two things, the rest will fall into place. I am not sure the boy I have now in Brazil will fall into a relationship with me. But, I am having fun testing the waters. ;)

 

>Otherwise, I bet he's going

>to talk to his friends about all the money he made from his

>gringo friend. Word gets around quickly.

 

Thank goodness. That is what I wanted. :) The more sexy friends of his he introduces me to the better off I am in life. :) Everyone has an agenda. I NEVER get taken advantage of without my knowledge. :) That means I go into things with my eyes open. Last night we went dancing, my boy is stunning and all the Brazilian boys wanted to be with him. There were so many cute boys in the dance club that I felt like I was in the Emerald City itself. :) My boy asked me if I wanted him to pick up one to take to the hotel, and I said not tonight. But, the fact that he is ok with that is good for me. And, we are going to be hanging out with a few of his friends later this week. I hope he introduces me to them and says how nice I am. I don't even mind if he says I am a crazy grino who is spending a ton of money on him. :) More incentative on their part. I'm a big boy and can handle the pressure. ;)

 

>As far as the locals go, My first trip there, I made it a

>point to speak to one of the locals at 117 just to see things

>from their point of view. Maybe you could do so as well, with

>Eduardo's help. It was a little uncomfortable at first, but

>then we ended up shaking hands as friends. To me, it was a

>rewarding experience.

 

Luckily, I go to bars in both cities with friends who are locals. I have their perspective. I spent the last 3 days in Sao Paulo with a guy from here that is known at all the bath houses. He tells all the boys to treat me right and I'll treat them the same way. I only pay 50R for a session at the sauna and I do tip accordingly. But, I always seperate the two. I pay the price and say thank you. I then tip and say that this is for them being so good and sweet. Frankly, I would never just pay 50R for someone to bottom for me. It is not in my nature. I make sure they are willing to do that for 50R but as far as paying that price, I would never do it. I tip and I am nice to them and I get that returned to me. I know my tipping does not always make others happy but it is me and I cannot change nor will I. Tips are at my discression and I think if I have a good time, no matter how much I tip the time was good for me. (notice I never discuss how much I tip here or with others. It is my business only. I am sure many know that I tip in US Dollars but the amount is up to me.) There has never been one boy that I have been with in Brazil or Thailand that can say I took advantage of them or was unkind. (Except for the guy with his girlfriend and the 3 midgets and a donkey: but that was a long night and is another story) Therefore, when I go to those places all the boys know if they go with me I will treat them well.

 

>Say hi to Eduardo for me the next time you see him.

 

I will. Eduardo is amazing and I missed him on this trip as he was already hired by someone. :) He is a great asset to anyone!

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Oz,

I thoroughly enjoy your posts. What a pleasure reading them. I also appreciate your philosophy regarding paying the boys. I think it is indecent to take advantage of the poverty of some of these boys. I'm am sure the boys appreciate your kindness and respect and it comes back to you in many ways.

Keep your posts coming. I am living vicariously your adventures in Brazil.

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Oz, I'm enjoying your posts as well. Especially, your responses to mine. :-) :-) :-)

 

What are your plans for Carnaval, and also which of the boys do you plan to give up for Lent? :-)

 

- Drey

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nycpaul,

 

Do you really think we're taking advantage of the poverty of some of these boys.

 

We're paying the going rate which SOME of them are really grateful for.

 

Let's all just pay the going New York prices, and I'll cancel my trip and encourage my friends to do the same.

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Oz,

 

Brazil is not Thailand. Aside from being culturally inappropriate, your behavior makes you, all the gringos around you, and Americans generally, a target: Big, ignorant, wallets-on-the-hoof. People like you give those of us who live and work in Brazil a very creepy act to follow. But at some level, you must know this already, and not care. So keep those dollars flying, and keep those sauna boys chattering. And know that should something unfortunate happen to you or someone you care about, you will have richly deserved it.

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>Oz,

>

>Brazil is not Thailand. Aside from being culturally

>inappropriate, your behavior makes you, all the gringos around

>you, and Americans generally, a target: Big, ignorant,

>wallets-on-the-hoof. People like you give those of us who live

>and work in Brazil a very creepy act to follow. But at some

>level, you must know this already, and not care. So keep those

>dollars flying, and keep those sauna boys chattering. And know

>that should something unfortunate happen to you or someone you

>care about, you will have richly deserved it.

 

One can only wonder about the heart and soul of a person who wrote the above. Perhaps we will both richly get what we deserve in the end.

 

:)

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Dance Clubs and Music Stores

 

Sorry for my lack of posting recently. I have been quite busy with my date for the week. He keeps me busy constantly and we have been learning more about the internet sex world in Brazil and picking up boys online. ;)

 

I know that there are many sexy boys in the sauna but where the real jewels in Sao Paulo are are in the dance clubs at night. It is a virtual feast for the eyes. More guys than you can stare at who are amazingly beautiful and having fun. Having a beautiful date has certaintly opened up more possibilities for me with the guys there.

 

The book stores and music stores are also a great place to meet hot college guys who love talking English. I met one my second day here as I was getting a book at BNF. We met as he saw me looking at the Queen collection on CD. We chatted, had lunch near my hotel and ended up back in my room going over some photos on the internet. Nothing but a few kisses and gropes but that was good enough for me. His number was left for me and I had a good time getting to know a university boy. Within an hour of him leaving my date was here and I feel instantly in lust again. (I am a pushover and the boy for the moment is easy for me to do) :)

 

I have made to to a few of the malls and had fun there too. Have not met any boys in the malls here like the ones in Thailand but it is fun anyway.

 

If you come to Sao Paulo, please be sure not to spend all your time in the saunas. Go out, have fun, it is an amazing city!

 

Today we are going to the park and to the museum. Then, we are going to the sauna! ;)

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Danger

 

DANGER DANCE CLUB DOWTOWN

1420 Rua Rego Freitas,

Centro

 

Tonight my date and I were walking into the hotel when we noticed some guys who were flight attendants on a layover. We said hi and they responded and we chatted a bit. It was nice. We invited them to our room for drinks and they came up. We all decided to go to a dance club. We chose Danger as I love shows and they had not been there.

 

Danger is in the Central Downtown area. It is a nice club and is frequented by a great many drag queens. The show was great, the music was awsome and the atmosphere was fun. There was tons of eye candy and plenty of drag queens to share. There were shows throughout the night mixed with the music. The crowd was a wide mix of younger and older, gay and straight, guys and girls, drags and men. :) The stage was the centerpiece of the place and gave for plenty of room for the performances.

 

I have been told that hiring a sexy guy for the week was stupid and thowing my money away. :) hehe. Well, I was surrounded by his friends tonight. Many beautiful boys and at least as many sexy dragsters. :) None ever asked me for a drink or for anything. They just showered me with attention and kindness. I guess what goes around does come around in the end. :)

 

Sorry, I digress. :)

 

The flight attendants were fun and lovely men. I know I will keep in touch with one of them for many years. Plus the fact he kept telling me how sexy I was was exciting and the fact he is PR and I have a thing for them anyway. :) He is happily married and was such a treat to meet and hang out with.

 

 

All four of us had a great time at the club. I had fun with me boy and his friends. My boy had fun with his friends. One flight attendant had fun with another Brazilian guy and I am sure they will wake up happy tomorrow and the other one was the queen of the ball and was the good boy tonight. :)

 

It is late here. My date and I had a great day at LaGoa and then shopping and a nice resturant and then Danger. Danger is a fun place to visit and I had a blast there tonight.

 

Now I am off to my DANGERous Liasion. :)

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Oz:

 

I am thoroughly convinced you are doing things right. When you and your boy came on the webcam last night to say hello after your night of clubbing... I marvelled at how wonderful you had it.

 

The guy was literally oozing positive and sexy energy.

 

He is a gem.

 

To be around someone like that for an extended period of time is a wonderful opportunity that shouldn't be passed up. I am happy for you... and you better leave him there and not steal him away after you leave so I can be happy for myself too!!!!!!

 

:7

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>Oz:

>

>I am thoroughly convinced you are doing things right. When

>you and your boy came on the webcam last night to say hello

>after your night of clubbing... I marvelled at how wonderful

>you had it.

 

I'm glad you enjoyed the webcam show. He really likes to get on the cam and parade around. He is quiet amused by it. He is a little upset with Florida Rob as he refused to take his shirt off while chatting with him. :) But, if he looks that good after 15 hours of non stop BS with me and 4 hours of dancing, imagine what he looked like first thing in the morning. :)

 

>The guy was literally oozing positive and sexy energy.

>He is a gem.

 

He is a great guy, fun to be with and full of life and energy. For an old man like me to keep up with him is not easy! :)

 

>To be around someone like that for an extended period of time

>is a wonderful opportunity that shouldn't be passed up. I am

>happy for you... and you better leave him there and not steal

>him away after you leave so I can be happy for myself

>too!!!!!!

>

> :7

 

You and I think alike in so many ways. :) But, we have known this for ages. :) What a treat he has been to spend 7 days with. He is adorable, yummy and always fun. And, yes, it has been wonderful.

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