Inappropriate Postings in Escort Travels Section

[+ ArVaGuy]

That whirring sound you hear is the can opener removing the lid on the can of worms related to this topic. Of late, there seems to have been some issues arising from users posting comments to various notices in the Escort Travels section of the Message Center. Specifically, the listing for Thomas Oliver and Marco Antonio has garnered a plethora of postings that for whatever reasons the moderators have been forced to step in and either edit or delete them.

 

As noted by others, there have been client comments posted to many an escort listing in the Travel Section over the years. Even some moderators and administrators have made postings in the section in the past. I don’t recall any policy stating that clients could not post comments in the section lo these many years as a user. However, as with any privilege abuse can lead to restriction on such privilege and that seems to be the case here. There’s even confusion about “free speech” which actually only applies to a citizen’s right to criticize the government, not the policies of a private business or its procedures.

 

Rather than taking the hint suggested by the moderators to discuss the issue at hand in the appropriate forum, some are continuing to post in the specific thread about this issue. So in order to bring this topic out for further discussions and not clutter the Escort Travels section with totally unnecessary postings, here I present this can of worms for discussion and back and forth debate.

 

Hopefully we'll be able to maintain some sense of what little decorum we have around here in this discussion but that should only last about as long as a snowball's chance in hell. ;-)

[+ Lucky]

Well, ArVaGuy, you appear ready to weather a storm! In the Lounge it is raining men, so I guess you can stir some wind in the Deli.

 

I was informed by a moderator that the Travelling Escorts Forum was to be left to the escort posting his travel info without commentary from the peanut gallery. I have no problem with this rule and am willling to follow it. Like all rules, it has to be enforced equally across the board.

 

Escorts, too, have to follow the rule and not use the Forum for excessive self-promotion. The constant bumping of threads only tells me that the particular escort is having trouble stirring up any business in the city he is headed to, so he has to keep reminding people that he is going there.

 

It can get quite funny as each post purports to give new info: "I've arrived in Podunk"...next post "I am at the hotel"..."I am opening my door"!

..."My rooom has a minibar, so you can get drunk if you think I'm too ugly"...okay, I made that last one up. But you get my point, I think.

For those escorts who have just occasionally bumped a travel post, I am not talking about you! We can have fun bumping together.

[JT Brooklyn]

Lucky... Here we go! I do have to agree! Other than Travel, Negative comments about The "Working Guy" who is doing the Traveling, should remain in the appropriate Forum.

 

Good-Bad or Indifferent.. Where the Guy will be Working It, is the only interest anyone reading the Travel Section would have even reading it. Usually then they go to the Reviews etc!

 

No Name of course..But By now most of us know who does the most Superfluous "Bumping for a Humping" in Travels.

 

How trying to remain on Top of the Listed City's, is going to get any more business than the guys in that city reading the Announcement does is beyond me?

 

BUT there are those around here, who think many thing's are beyond JT's Grasp! LOL

 

;-)

[+ ArVaGuy]

Lucky, I’ve battened down the hatches and secured the riggings. But the bilge pump is need of repair.

 

You’ve made a very good point. If comments from the peanut gallery are going to be prohibited in the Escorts Travel Forum then the rule must be enforced across the board. All such comments would need to be deleted by the moderators. That’s going to require a lot of diligence on their part.

 

There’s a pinned posting from Daddy at the top of the forum that’s been there since 2002 with instructions on how postings are to be listed. Perhaps its time for a new pinned posting informing clients that commentary is no longer allowed in the Escorts Travel Forum due to recent issues. But, again, that’s going to have to be strictly enforced by the moderators even handedly. I don’t envy them that’s for sure.

 

Another question, should clients be allowed to post notices on behalf of escorts? I hold no position on this point. But note that this site is free to join and an escort that’s not interested in posting his notices must not be very effective at marketing himself if he’s relying on a client to post these notices.

 

As to escorts constantly bumping their listings, I find them entertaining. “I’ve arrived at the front desk”….”I’m on the elevator”….”I’m begging for clients” all seem to reveal more than intended about availability. My feeling is let the guys bump posts as much as they like after all it’s a marketing forum. Let them market to their heart’s content and if it gets out of hand then the moderators have to make the call on that.

[Barry]

Thank you ArVaGuy. To start I will bring the remaining posts from the Escort Travel Forum over here.

 

DickHo

#6 RE: Thomas Olivier & Marco Antonio NYC 2-14 to 2-21

Sat Jan-26-08 10:22 AM

In response to Reply # 0

 

Why do the replies to this post keep disappearing?

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Barry

Sat Jan-26-08 12:44 PM

In response to Reply # 6

Sat Jan-26-08 03:32 PM by Barry

 

>Why do the replies to this post keep disappearing?

 

Because negative comments aren't allowed in this forum. If someone has something critical to say, it belongs in the Deli. This forum is for Escorts to post travel plans only.

 

If anyone wishes to talk about the Escort Travel Forum, please bring it up somewhere else. Thanks.

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DickHo

Sat Jan-26-08 03:42 PM

In response to Reply # 9

 

> This forum is for Escorts to post travel plans only.

 

EXPAT is not an escort.

 

"If anyone wishes to talk about the Escort Travel Forum, please bring it up somewhere else. Thanks." Barry[/font color]

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Okliehomo

Sun Jan-27-08 12:20 AM

In response to Reply # 12

 

Well, this is a first.

 

I had a post deleted.

 

Asked the same question about EXPAT.

 

So, we should post our comments about Escort Travel in the Deli? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

Looking forward to seeing how long it takes you to delete this.

 

I feel like FFF or Donnie. Never thought I would say that.

 

So much for free speech, GW.

 

Okie

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Some Background....

 

The Escort Travel Forum has always been a service for escorts to post their travel plans, NOT an open forum for discussion. It's advertising for the benefit of escorts and clients. Negative or critical responses to an escort's travel post have never been allowed there.

 

I manage that forum in collaboration with Cooper and input from Deej. We have discussed what should or shouldn't be posted there more than once over the years. I have always leaned towards less restriction with the exception of negative/critical posts. Maybe it's time for me to rethink my position and discuss in the Mod Forum prohibiting all posts except those made by the escort OP.

 

I have not particularly liked clients posting an escort's travel plans as a favour but it happens rarely so I chose to let it go. Maybe I was wrong. Personally, in this day of net connectivity, I really don't know why an escort can't login and post their own travel plans.

 

Okie Welcome to the club of posters with deleted posts. I'm a member of that club. I also deleted one of Cooper's posts and he understood why. As for free speech, I'll leave constitutional discussions for the Politics Forum.

 

Can of worms is now official. I think it's a small can.

 

Barry

[Barry]

>For those escorts who have just occasionally bumped a travel

>post, I am not talking about you! We can have fun bumping

>together.

 

Lucky, I agree with you in that it can sometimes seem overboard but your last sentence brings up the problem from our standpoint. What is too much? What is "occasionally"? Some escorts post travel plans the day before arrival. Some, months in advance. Some who are doing extensive travel may change plans/dates based on response so bump when they hit page 2. So many reasonable variables making it difficult to quantify.

 

Barry

[rentingdad]

I didn't know the rules related to the Travel Section - now that I know I will post comments about escorts in the proper section.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Barry, I don't know if you guys will be able to continue to hold the middle ground. By allowing only posivitve comments it seems to cause cofusion. Why shouldn't negative comments be allowed as well? Comments are comments from a user perspective is the way some may see this.

 

So looks like the baby may have to go out with the bath water and no comments at all should be allowed. If that becomes the case then we'll all have to live by the new rules. As with any privilege it's abuse that leads to restrictions that punish more than just the intended ofense. x(

[Okliehomo]

Barry,

 

My apologies. I had spent the afternoon and evening with my old friend, Mr Bud Dry and was just playing around. I really enjoy this site and don't ever want to be one of those guys that ruins the fun for everybody else. I personally don't see any harm in comments, positive or negative. To me, the more discussion, the more we all learn about escorts, but that's just my opinion, and if that is not how the moderators want it to work, I will certainly respect that and play by the rules in the future.

 

No worries from me. I am just grateful that a site like this exists in the first place.

 

Okie

[Epigonos]

DAMN this seems like a tempest in a teapot to me. As far as I'm concerned the travel forum should be just that a TRAVEL FORUM. There are other forums here where we can post both positive and negative comments regarding an escort. I also believe that it should be the responsibility of the escort to make the posting. If he is too busy or uninterested the make the posting then he should be out of luck. If the above rules were followed the whole thing would be very cut and dried with none of this needless discussion would be necessary. The idea that these limitations might involve freedom of expression is ridiculous and silly. 1.) This is a private site NOT publicly owned one. 2.) There are forums available here where these comments can be made.

[alanalt]

JT, coming from a guy who 'bumps' his own favourite escorts' travel posts to the top of the queue again and again, your comments are disingenuous at best...

[JT Brooklyn]

Some of JT's Fav's do Travel alot! Saying Hello on the Road is no BUMP!

 

But listen.. I play well with other's, as my "alleged" Bumps can attest to! So like Okie I will abide by whatever! ;-)

[alanalt]

Well, I was someone who found rentingdad's comments about Oliver and Marco's (second-hand) travel post to be out of place (and said so to the moderators). It's not because I have any first-hand knowledge or sympathy for the escorts in question, indeed I've never met either of them and I'm not likely to either.

 

My view is motivated by the knowledge that once you allow for negative comments to appear on a travel post, you're almost guaranteeing further responses from those 'rushing to defend' said escorts and then instead of a straightforward forum for travel announcements, you have long threads discussing the pros and cons of particular escorts and we already have a place for that in the Deli forum.

 

As for what moderators choose to allow in the travel, or other, forums, that is entirely their decision and I will support said decisions as long as the ground rules are strictly laid out for everyone to see and enforced impartially for everyone.

 

But in my personal opinion, I would like to see no comments at all on travel posts and allowing additional posts to 'bump' the notice to be restricted both in number (say once or twice) and to originate only from the escort in question. As for allowing travel notices to be placed by third parties, I would only like to see those in cases of such a party providing a reasonable explanation of why they're doing this on behalf of the escort (e.g. short notice or limited access to the 'net while the escort is travelling etc.) with no 'bumping' unless the escort chooses to do so himself as above. But that's just my view and the moderators can take it into consideration, or not, as they see fit!

 

Alan

[alanalt]

Except your 'hellos' just happen to have the same effect as a bump! That's what I meant about being disingenuous...

[Okliehomo]

Ok,ok. I said I was just playing around. I know that I don't have a constitutional right to post about escorts.

 

Sorry,

 

Okie

[JT Brooklyn]

Whoever thought "I'll be Working It in Secaucus New Jersey for 3 Days" Call Me!

 

Would call for such Monumental Comments! LOL ;-) ;-) ;-)

[jackhammer91406]

Small can of worms....many different flavors..

 

I am cool with having a new prohibition on clients posting on escort travel threads. If that's the new rule, I can live with it. Seems like overkill to me, but if that's the new rule, fine with me. I always enjoyed tweaking some favorites when they traveled, but I can abide by rules if I know what they are. I just always assumed that a client bump helped the escort as much or more than an escort bump as long as the comments weren't negative.

 

As for not allowing clients to post travel for escorts, I can think of several instances where an escort might need someone to post for them:

computer problems (geesh, Hooboy lost a computer a month seemed like, so it can happen to anyone).

 

no access or difficulty with ISP or Wifi.

 

 

But rules is rules and whatever, I am fine with them as long as they are stated and are enforced equally.

 

But if you're going to banish us from the escort travel section, then escorts shouldn't be allowed to use the traveling Hoovillians forum as an extra advertising resource (even if they aren't working on that trip). Escort travel means escort travel regardless of work intent.

JMHO.

[Guest zipperzone]

>But in my personal opinion, I would like to see no

>comments at all on travel posts and allowing additional

>posts to 'bump' the notice to be restricted both in number

>(say once or twice) and to originate only from the escort in

>question.

 

Alan has stated my thoughts exactly. I would think that one bump should be sufficient and Jackhammers comment that escorts should be prohibited from posting in the Traveling Hoovillians forum makes sense to me too.

 

The only problem I see is that if these rules are enacted and enforced, clients wanting to bump and support their favorites will clutter up the Deli forum. Is that the lesser of two evils? Search me!

[+ deej]

>My view is motivated by the knowledge that once you allow for

>negative comments to appear on a travel post, you're almost

>guaranteeing further responses from those 'rushing to defend'

>said escorts and then instead of a straightforward forum for

>travel announcements, you have long threads discussing the

>pros and cons of particular escorts and we already have a

>place for that in the Deli forum.

 

This is a slippery slope and there isn't a really good way to handle it. Hooboy generally despised all of the unsubstantiated stuff that was said about escorts in the MC, particularly the negative stuff.

 

With a negative review, the parties involved are at least minimally verified. Each side has a say. It doesn't happen that way in the MC. There's no verification at all and as soon as the escort opens his mouth he's trampled. <sigh>

 

But I'm the LAST person to shy away from a good joke when someone leaves a straight line dangling. If you censor the bad you also have to censor the well-meant humor, and that's not good.

 

Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and there's no really good way to handle it. (Although Barry does an admirable job of being fair across the board.)

 

>But in my personal opinion, I would like to see no

>comments at all on travel posts and allowing additional

>posts to 'bump' the notice to be restricted both in number

>(say once or twice) and to originate only from the escort in

>question.

 

This has long been my personal preference as well, with limits.

 

>As for allowing travel notices to be placed by

>third parties, I would only like to see those in cases of such

>a party providing a reasonable explanation of why they're

>doing this on behalf of the escort

 

Again, this is my personal preference, but I'd like to see third-party posts of escort travels disallowed completely. Personally, I think if a guy wants to take advantage of the resources this site offers he should do it himself. Enough of them do that I suspect it isn't difficult.

 

But then we have Dave @ Man4Man Escorts posting notes about his traveling guys. It's his JOB to advertise them! (And other agencies used to post here too before the rabble ran them off.)

 

There isn't a 100% solution. There just isn't. <sigh> For every "rule" we can make, there's a perfectly reasonable exception we can make.

 

I vote we leave it up to Barry. }(

[twinkboylover28]

I wish people would be banned from having multiple screen names on this website, especially when they delegate one of those screen names as the "antogonist" and the other screen name as the "good guy." It's obvious, by the unique writing style, that some people have multiple screennames, which is unfortunate.

[Guest ryan2552]

I prefer clients post a travel notice on behalf of an escort that is unable to do so. I WANT to know when an escort is headed my way.

 

I also prefer that clients NOT post comments because it simply clutters the notices with information not needed related to that escorts travels.

 

Also, as mentioned there are agency owners who by all means SHOULD have the ability to post their escorts travel information.

 

I guess I'm missing why this is such a "hot issue." Doesn't any legit travel notice benefit not only the escort but all of us who hire?

[seaboy4hire]

If it is an agency posting for the guy I can over look it. But if it were Deej (using his name cause it popped in my head first) posting for a working guy I don't like that. Like someone else said it is free to join the board and free to post travel plans. If they can't be arsed to do it on their own then it shouldn't be done. This topic of clients posting travel plans for working guys came up about a year or so ago but can't remember who the client was who was doing the posting.

 

Hugs,

Greg

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[Cooper]

From an escorts point of view the current rules for posting travel plans are equally fair. The escort can post without the fear of any negative comments effecting their business. I personally doubt if many escorts would post if they knew negative comments were permitted.

 

I can also understand why some members would feel that the current policy isn't fair. If you're going to allow the positive why not the negative. If we did that, I could vision the travel forum becoming somewhat argumentative and not good for anyone.

 

It's a tough call. Perhaps we should just leave things as is and deal with a situation when and if it arises.

 

Coop (**)

[jackhammer91406]

Just for the record, I don't have a problem with any rule regarding the Escort travel forum. As long as I know what the rules (or prevailing preference of moderators)are, I can police myself from breaking those rules or preferences.

 

I agree that the Escort travel forum should be a safe place for escorts to post their travel plans. It's one of what I would call announcement forums. There should be no room for negative discussion in that forum or the traveling Hoovillians forum.

[Bart]

I do not have any issues with not posting comments on the travel section. Openning a thread in the Deli on that guys travel is very easy.

 

What I do have a problem with is using any word with "ever" in it. There is a time when common sense should rule the day not black and white methodology.

 

There are times when a comment is appropriate:

 

"Did you know the link you posted does not work?"

 

"Do you have pictures?"

 

Etc.

 

I think there is a point when reader comments are needed, especially where the information posted is ambiguous or is incorrect.