Not posting a bad review because he was a "nice" guy?

[JT Brooklyn]

ariadne..Please be very specific when mentioning "Working Guys" and their Names!

 

Good-Bad or Whatever in your judgement, there are several "Justins" for example in NYC!

 

This way the possibility of a Response will always be there. Just to keep these chit-chats Fair!

[whipped guy]

JT is correct. With the multiplcity of Justins out there the "fainess doctrine" needs to be in place... Also, there is a Justin that has received several "good" reviews of late and more than one inquiring mind would like to know if it is the same guy.

[+ Tom Isern]

Guys, this does indeed sound like Mark had a bad experience. On the other hand, I would like to challenge the notion that the client's review is always "the truth" and the escort's response is always and only about him and his avoidance of his responsibility.

 

There are clients out there who are joys to be with; fortunately I have several of them as regulars. And there are clients who are nightmares, clients who show up and they haven't showered, don't know why they should, have no notion of oral hygiene, etc. Bad hygiene, in particular, can be a REAL impediment to a good session, especially for me.

 

This business is ALWAYS a two-way street and smart readers of reviews will be analyzing the reviewer as critically as they read an escort's response. Neither a bad review nor the escort's response should be privileged a priori.

[Damascene]

RE: Not posting a bad review because he was a "nice" guy?

 

A bad review may make the nice guy get his act together. A certain pornstar-escort started off with horrible reviews and then went to a well-respected pornstar-escort on lessons on how to be better. Now Talvin has great reviews. If the escort take the review to heart, he may improve. This was years ago (may have been pre-hooboy on the atkol site).

 

I think I placed one bad review since hooboy went up. He was a nice guy but clueless as an escort. I put up the review and he responded I was his first client and he would try better.

[buckguy]

RE: Not posting a bad review because he was a "nice" guy?

 

You're making me feel old. I remember Talvin's entry into escorting--something about helping out his sick grandmother and that was 8 or 9 years ago. What a drama queen--that's what happens when you repeatedly say you'll never do something (as he did with escorting).The one problem with him as an escort that I recall was actually a client's opinion that was based on mistaken identity. The client thought he'd hired Talvin, when it was actually someone else. Talvin righted the situation and won people over. The complainant was a rather pompous scold who still resurfaces from time to time.

 

A negative review also can help someone exit the field. I recall that happening after second tier pornstar Cody Scott got a bad review from a rather heavy gentleman. Cody's lame response (along the lines of "I was recovering from partying all night, my other clients have been hot"). elicited no sympathy (plus the guy had told Cody about his weight). Cody's ads vanished after that. Not long afterward, I saw a CD with "extras" that included an interview with Cody Scott--he was a chubb turned body builder, so the big guy probably pushed lots of buttons. There are some guys whose issues will keep them from being good escorts and a negative review is a constructive way of helping them recognize that. While some escorts may improve and take things to heart, others may lack the capacity and helping them recognize that is important. For all we know, Cody might be a nice guy--but body issues are tough to overcome in a field like escorting.

[Bart]

RE: Not posting a bad review because he was a "nice" guy?

 

Mark, I understand where you are coming from actually. I have had a string less than stellar appts, but very few awful. I appreciate Tom's comment because the tennor of the mediocre review really has to be appropriate. Sometimes things just don't click. In this case it was not an awful time. When you write a mediocre review you can be labeled wishy-washy or ticky-tacky.

 

When you say "Not for me" How do we interpet that? However, I will say what I find very important is an escorts response to a negative or mediocre review. They are very enlighting about the escort.

 

Sometimes for well known escorts, who have lots of very satisfied customers, when a mediocre or even awful review is posted, we as clients have tendency to jump on the reviewer. Instead of just simply reinforcing our experience in anon combative style. I also know it is very difficult to say something while the escort is there because I believe it creates tension and I would actually feel worse. So we all say post a review, it is not as easy as it sounds.

 

There is currently a thread here about Matt in Frisco. Now from that again nothing overly negative but there was a connection problem as far as the client, but it just may be with that one person or that is the escort's nature. Tough to say from just one person and if that was the only review, that guys business could take a major hit. So with all the comments and reviews, that is why I like having escorts participate, much to a certain poster's lament. I can then make my own interpetation to what fits for me.

[ariadne1880]

Mr. Isern is correct, of course. But I would think that one should take into account motive. What possible motive could I have for writing a review about a bad experience and not telling the truth? If anything, I wanted to avoid saying anything at all but I was advised privately to bring it to the attention of the forum for more opinions.

 

If a client showed up in the condition you describe, I would ask him to leave.

 

Of course, there is also the principle of "the customer is always right." Perhaps that's wrong but it what drives most businesses.

 

As for Justin. It's "Justin #6" on this site. My experience was that I made an appt with him, went into great detail, and then I had a client change the time of our meeting. So I called, txt-msg'd, and e-mailed Justin to let him know I had to cancel. I gave him 36 hours notice. He sent me a pissy e-mail.

 

I decided to "understand." We made another appt for two weeks later. He never showed, never e-mailed, or called. And has not responded to any of my communications since. I guess that was his form of "revenge." I thought it was VERY unprofessional.

 

As for the original encounter I described. It was with "Thomas -- New York City" on this site.

 

Lest anyone think that I have only had bad experiences, I have had great -- and multiple encounters -- with Totaltpjohn in New York, Steve in San Diego, and Tom Reeve. Couldn't have been any better.

 

Mark.

[JT Brooklyn]

ariadne...IF you are talking about THOMAS/Massage or Rentboy "Muscle Worship" who is located on the Upper East Side...He is a very nice guy... ALSO!

 

He looks as Great as his photo's..some of us know him also from the Gaiety when it was open....He has a phenonenal body! He worked Construction before he got into his form of "Working It". The Rentboy pix's show that Great Butt he has!

 

He's very upfront... He does nothing of a Sexual Nature!..He's very upfront about this! He does allow touching during Massage and does give a Happy Ending!

 

I have a few times hungout for a FULL 2 hrs, he's never cut it short, for any reason! I have Totally Enjoyed myself!

 

I'm jumping in on this... because I know the Hunk doesnot read this site...nor would he get into a Cat Fight! But alas' JT "could be" a different story! }( LOL

[whipped guy]

Thanks for the heads up on Justin number 6. I suspected it was he. I know the company he keeps...

 

Now when I have had to cancel and have given adequate advance notice I almost always get an appreciative "thank you" email... as you say some guys are more professional than others... and still others have no class what so ever. It is all about having respect for one another.

[ariadne1880]

Well, I don't know when you last saw Thomas in NYC but that is not my idea of a great body. He's beefy and no longer looks anywhere near as muscular as the photos.

 

Calling into question my truthfulness is really appalling especially since it is based on an experience you may have had some time ago and mine was based on an experience I had two weeks ago.

 

He has a gut. That's not reflected in the photos. He tried to cancel 25 minutes before the appt. That's a fact. He hustled me out of there in 1 hour of an agreed upon 2 hour meeting.

 

I never asked for anything sexual. But he didn't even do what we agreed to. He also changed the price at the end of the appt.

 

Those are all facts. If you have anything to prove otherwise, please do so ... otherwise as King Juan Carlos said "why don't you shut up?"

 

I've been polite but in the past few days I've been psycho-analyzed, judged, and now called a liar. Enough is enough.

 

Mark

[whipped guy]

Please Mark... I think a lot of us here have acted very kindly toward you... I certainly felt badly that you were somewhat perturbed by one of my posts...

 

Furthermore, in general I think there has been a very positive response regarding this thread. Consider your time here simply as a discussion… and sometimes discussions do get heated… among acquaintances... acquaintances that have differing viewpoints about many facets of life. Besides, as I noted above, all the opinions here are based on each individual’s personal experiences… and everyone perceives things in a different way… based on the time, the place, one’s frame of mind, etc.

 

Diversity is a good thing. So if someone had an experience that was different from yours that just makes things all the more interesting, absorbing, and possibly even intruiging.

 

That’s what this site is all about…

[+ deej]

>I've been polite but in the past few days I've been

>psycho-analyzed, judged, and now called a liar. Enough is

>enough.

 

Welcome aboard, veteran! That's the way this boat works sometimes.

 

Those of us that have been aboard for 10 years or so just know it's going to happen and shrug it off. You WILL be accosted by the little old ladies wagging fingers. There is no way to avoid them.

 

But hang around. There's enough good with the bad to keep going, and if you DON'T keep going *they* win.

[JOHNNY44]

Absolutely not, I love reading negative reviews provided that they are truthful, not vindictive, and contain some constructive criticism as to the escort. What does it matter that the escort is or seemed like a nice guy, the bottom line is that he did not do right by you.

 

Besides, if nothing negative is ever posted, how can the escort read anything or see anything indicating that he needs to improve for future arrangements.

 

Please be aware though that Daddy may not post your negative review on his site if it is not in conformity to his standards.

 

Of course, there are other sites where a negative review may be posted: http://www.maleescortreview.com is one recommended.

 

There is, however, an exception that I would apply to what I state above; and that is one that has to do with a brand new escort essentially new to the industry: For such an individual, it is best to communicate directly with the escort and ideally before much time has passed since the date of the arrangement. There is no need to be nasty or overly confrontational: just be assertive and to the point in the communication and certainly don't make any mention of the funds or a refund (That is just plain tacky, I think so anyway). You may or may not get an apology, but at the very least as far as the experience goes you will feel a sense of closure and can move on to greener pastures, so to speak, with better escorts. :-)

 

I have been using escorts regularly for the past five years; and I have my favorites: I have never posted a negative review myself, for the simple reason I have had no negative experience with any escort or even for that matter with any masseur.

 

By the way, even some very or mainly positive reviews contain some negative comment(s); and of course no one is perfect or necessarily perfect for another.

 

I hope I have been of help.

 

JOHNNY

[gayray]

As someone who obviously uses this website, I think it is your duty to the community to post a review of your experience. (it isnt too late).

 

The escort was a failure as an escort - and that is what you payed money for. You did not pay money to spend time with Mr-Nice-Guy!