NYC Escorts and their hourly rates

[kaimakan]

I spent a few minutes surfing through the current listings on rentboy.com and noted that there are plenty of guys charging $300 and $350 an hour -- even $450 an hour. Now, this is Amerika, and working boys are entitled to charge what they think they can get. But I am totally outraged over this blatant exploitation of our community. One of the major poundings of my life was by a friendly, totally hot stud who still charges $200. My favorite repeat rentboy charges only $225 and always delivers more than you ask for. And I just made a date with a guy who has incredible amounts of good buzz on another website -- for $200. Even Ben Andrews charges less than $300. I think the time has come for us clients to Just Say No to these outrageous prices, and to continue to patronize those special guys who provide outstanding service at reasonable rates. And what's with all these guys who refuse to commit to a price and can only type Various? I would never e-mail such a guy. Anybody out there have strong feelings about any of this? I exempt such services as MaximumEscorts and one or two others, whom I understand have substantial overhead costs.

[Epigonos]

The New York market has always been inflated but in the end I totally agree with you. Do, however, keep in mind there are guys out there hiring who thrive on knowing that for them price is no object. They seem to enjoy knowing that they can afford what many other cannot. Frankly isn't it exactly the same with people who insist on buying and driving Hummers -- they sure as hell don't buy them because they are economical and stylish.

I always hire escorts for either lunch or dinner and then a couple of hours of play time. Frankly I refuse to pay more than $500 to $550 for that type of arrangement. More and more guys (here in the Los Angeles area) are currently asking for $600+. They always seem suprised when I decline their services because of price (I tell them I never pay more than $500) and apologize for wasting their time. Frequently they then propose getting together for the $500. Now some guys on this board won't agree with me here but I DO NOT BARGIN WITH ESCORTS. I ask their price and either pay it or move on. I never respond to the lowered price email

[+ purplekow]

I think that if someone advertises a price, then the consumer knows the price going into the discussion and he could very well have just passed and looked for someone who better fit with their financial circumstances. When an escorts fee is out of the range the customer considers proper, the customer has three choices:

1 Fantasize about what might have been and move on

2 Cough up the extra cash.

3 Call and try to make other arrangements.

 

A personal pet peeve about pricing is the incall/outcall price difference. I see no problem with an initial hour outcall price which covers time and expense of the commute, my issue is with the subsequent hourly fee being the same as the first. No further commuting is taking place. In the overall scheme of things, this is a small item, but an escort who offers to have subsequent hours at the incall rate, is most likely going to get his outcall rate for all hours and a repeat client.

[whipped guy]

I will basically repeat what I just posted in the Leonard/Coverboy thread:

 

I am a firm believer that someone who is in business … and especially a person who in business for himself should set a rate for his services that he feels is commensurate with the quality of the service he provides. If the rate is fair and deserved the marketplace will more or less tell him. Likewise, if his rate is overpriced and undeserved the marketplace will tell him. If he is under-priced… eventually the laws of supply and demand will tell him so…

 

It all boils down to simple economics… of course where sex is involved sometimes irrationality and absurdity can also get factored into the equation… Hence, there will always be guys asking absurd rates and others guys willing to pay absurd rates...

 

However, if an individual thinks in a rational manner.. and only with the head on his shoulders... he will be able to determine easily which working guys will give him the best bang for his buck... and quite often it is not the guy with the highest rate.

[Okliehomo]

I will state the obvious. It is their time and their body. And it is our money. So, we all have decisions to make. When I contact a guy, I tell him exactly what I want and how many times and I tell him what I expect to pay for that. 99% of the time, there is no problem. Most guys seem ok with $1000 a day. Lord knows, I would be. But then you get others, like Tom Chase/Dallas that wanted $4000 and Alencar that won't come out here now for less than $1500 (though he did the first time)....so did Arpad, but now, his rate is $1800. I am not bashing these guys. Alencar and Arpad are two of the best EVER and I am very happy that I got the chance to meet both of them (Arpad twice) before demand drove their rates beyond what I am willing to pay these days... But their asses are spectacular!!! And as such, they have made decisions to raise their rates. Again, their right. But we do set the market. There must be guys out there who are willing and able to pay their rates....either that, or it is just easier to stay in the city and see multiples and make the same amount and not have to deal with travel.

 

Have to say, though, it still amazes me that there are guys out there who can walk away from $1000 a day. Or not even return an email and say, no thanks. The real professionals, at least, say no, can't make it to Oklahoma.....I respect that....or I have a boyfriend and can't do overnites...but to just ignore the email???

 

I sound like Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction", don't I? "I won't be ignored..." Well, apparently, I will...at least, by Victor Racek..who I have lusted after for a decade and to add insult to injury, he's travelling with an Argentine whose almost as handsome as Feretti...

 

Oh, well. Other fish. Like David/SF and Adair/Denver...and hopefully, at long last, Logan Brock.

 

Okie

[seaboy4hire]

Hey guys! I hope it is ok for me to chime in and give my half cents worth. kaimakan putting myself in a clients position I can for sure understand your frustration over the prices in NY, compared to other parts of the country they are quite high. But to play devils advocate NY is an expensive place to live from what I've been told. I've been told my two bedroom, d/w, w/d with balcony apt in Seattle could go for a couple few thousand more then the 1250 I am paying for. I am sure others might echo this also but you can have just as much if not more fun with a guy who charges $200 or $250 then the guy who charges almost double that. I'm not going to dig through the threads but if I recall there are some on here that have testified to that being true. Remember if you don't like the price being displayed you can always walk away. No one is twisting your arm to pay the fees being displayed.

 

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Greg

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[Louis]

If an escort is charging too much (what ever price that may be), and people are hiring him, then he will keep on asking for that amount or higher. If no one hires the escort, then maybe he will drop his prices, or get out of the business. So who's to blame for high prices? Clients who are willing to pay them.

The other issue is and I think it has been brought up before. Some escorts fees have been going up much faster than the rate of inflation. So I get a 2.5 percent raise at work, and some escorts charge 25 or 30 percent more than they did the previous year.

Who's retirement are we investing in?... not ours.

[Guest zipperzone]

>They seem to enjoy knowing that they can

>afford what many other cannot. Frankly isn't it exactly the

>same with people who insist on buying and driving Hummers --

 

Actually an entry level Hummer can be had for 35K these days.

 

>they sure as hell don't buy them because they are economical

>and stylish.

 

Right on! They buy them because they have no class and a small dick.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Who's retirement are we investing in?... not ours.

 

Louis, dear boy.... an encounter with an escort should never be thought of as an investment.

[Guest zipperzone]

>A personal pet peeve about pricing is the incall/outcall price

>difference. I see no problem with an initial hour outcall

>price which covers time and expense of the commute,

 

Well I have an issue with it, big time.

 

If you were hired to work in an office, and were told the salary was $4000/month, what would be the employer's reaction if you said "well that's OK if I can work from home, but it I have to come all the way down to your office, then I need $5000 do compensate me for my travel time and expense".

 

Last time I checked they don't pay you for getting to the job. Escorting is no different as far as I am concerned.

 

>my issue

>is with the subsequent hourly fee being the same as the first.

> No further commuting is taking place.

 

Well I guess he could argue that after it's over, he has to get home.

 

>In the overall scheme of things, this is a small item,

 

Maybe it is but it's the principle that matters. Most people don't stand up for principle any more and that's why we are getting walked over.(I guess an escort would charge more for "walking over you"):-)

[uwsman2]

It's a market, just like any other, and escorts will charge what the market will bear for their services. I contacted one escort for a Sunday afternoon appointment. He quoted a price far above what I was expecting based on his reviews on this site. I told him that was out of my price range. He immediately offered a $50 reduction. I said I'd have to think about it and we ended the call. Then he called me back within about five minutes and asked if I'd finished thinking about it, since he would normally go to the gym at this hour on Sunday and would be unavailable for the next few hours - and I had been looking for relatively soon. I decided to go ahead with it. Even at $50 off, it was steep compared to many others -- $300. I had an OK time with him, but I didn't really feel the connection I get with some escorts. Was it because there was that bargaining element over the price that inspired him to give less than his best?

 

Ironically, a week later I contacted a guy who advertises $200 and I had a great time. Which reinforced for me, once again, that I was foolish to go ahead with the first one. A great time can be had in the NYC market with guys who charge $200. (In this case, I tipped, which I didn't do with the first one, who asked for the money up front. I NEVER tip when they ask for the money up front.) And having had such a great time, I expect to schedule repeats with the second guy. The first guy is bigger, more muscular, etc., but the second guy was more fun. (I do find that the big muscular types tend to charge more!)

[JT Brooklyn]

Okie, It alway's did amaze me when Guys now turn down $1000 for an Overniter and their AirFare is also Paid AND they get at least 2 Meals out of the deal! The Rates for "some" have really gone Wack!

 

Also Considering if you factor in the "Sleep" Time, Some of these guys want their 8 hours or NO Deal!

 

Not too many people I know also get "PAID" to Sleep! LOL :-) :-) :-)

[alanalt]

Price is never a guarantee of quality, particularly in the escort world, which is why sites like this are invaluable. I've only paid in the $300 range once and that was for Talvin DeMachio and that was only because he was so well-reviewed on this site. As for the rest, my best escort experiences have been with guys with reasonable rates.

 

But it's hard for me to have too much sympathy for you guys in the NYC market simply because there are so many choices and many of them do have reasonable rates. And given that NYC (like LA) has too many people that will pay too much money just to prove that money doesn't matter to them, you're going to end up with some guys that cater to that clientelle.

 

I also have a peeve with the 'rate varies' people. And unless they're using it to discount blocks of time or to distinguish between a 'daytime' rate and a 'nighttime' rate, it would also seem to blow away any thin legal cover of escort rates being for 'time only'. Now I don't argue with an escort's right to set up his rate structure the way he wants to. But, as a client, such a rate structure sure discourages me from contacting said escorts since I have no way of knowing where they are on the 'price scale' which may mean that contacting them is a big waste of time for both.

 

Of course the answer is simple, if you don't like the rate (or rate structure), then don't hire the escort; and that's a pretty easy rule to follow. But the number of guys out there charging $300+ does seem to indicate that Darwin really needs to address the population of people with more dollars than sense!

[JT Brooklyn]

kaimakan..Also NYC-Chicago-LA-MIAMI are Big Time Tourist Market's.

 

Hotel INCALL is Big Biz! Especially Slam-Bam 1 Hour...They don't even have to shoot..just get the Client Off and Adios'....

 

The "Tourist's" will definitely PAY more for what they can't in some cases even Imagine "Touching" back home! So to a certain Percentage of Client's.. Rate is a Non-ISSUE!

 

There will alway's be Tourist's and the "Working" Guys (Girl's) that make them Smile! LOL :-)

[whipped guy]

Actually some my best experiences (as far as value for services rendered) have been with guys who had a humble attitude about their talents, guys who were not greedy, guys who were simply just honest and forthright individuals, guys who simply enjoyed what they were doing, and guys who were basically uncomfortable asking for a higher rate… and guess what? They were all comfortably busy… and probably raking in more than the higher priced competition.

[best hotel]

...i observed that it was one guy, with multiple ads and aliases,(leonardo, bruno, etc.....he has been written about here before) who drove up the new york prices on rentboy....he had about 7 ads on the first 2 or 3 pages, with 300 and 350 per hour...and then, many followed up with a price increase...

[Epigonos]

"Actually some my best experiences (as far as value for services rendered) have been with guys who had a humble attitude about their talents, guys who were not greedy, guys who were simply just honest and forthright individuals, guys who simply enjoyed what they were doing, and guys who were basically uncomfortable asking for a higher rate… and guess what? They were all comfortably busy… and probably raking in more than the higher priced competition."

 

I must say, that as far as I'm concerned, the above quote from Whipped Guy's recent post regarding this matter SAYS IT ALL.

[alanalt]

>...i observed that it was one guy, with multiple ads and

>aliases,(leonardo, bruno, etc.....he has been written about

>here before) who drove up the new york prices on rentboy....he

>had about 7 ads on the first 2 or 3 pages, with 300 and 350

>per hour...and then, many followed up with a price increase...

>

 

I don't care how many ads he had, one guy could not have driven such a large market upwards... unless enough people were willing to pay the added price.

[Epigonos]

OK guys here come some statistics from somebody who obviously has too much time on his hands. Today 09/28u/2007 Rentboy has 369 ads for escorts in New York City. Breaking down those ads they look like the following:

 

Guys with fees of $300 or more an hour

48 of 369

13%

 

Guys not listing a fee or stating “varies”

80 of 369

21.4%

 

Guys with fees under $300 an hour

241 of 369

65.4%

 

This actually doesn't look all that bad to me!!!!!

One caveat is that I counted all add and did not eliminate multiples for the same guy. I had finished before I realized that a couple escorts had more than one add. This will throw the stats off BUT not that much.

 

Now as I see it you can break the $300 or more guys down into a few very obvious groups

 

1. Porn Actors

Josh Weston and Arpad Miklos come immediately to mind.

 

2. The Young & Beautiful

These guys usually have bodies to die for, usually aren't

very participatory and frequently don't hang around very long.

 

3. Specialists

These guys appeal to the fetish crowd. Bodybuilders might fit

here.

 

4. Travelers

Talvin de Marco immediately comes to mind. These guys travel

almost continuously to the major market cities and MUST have huge

expenses.

[best hotel]

alanalt...no exaggeration, nearly half of the ads for 300 or 350 per hour are the same guy....the other are a mix of pornstars (like arpad)...and grandiose kids...i dont think that the guys with inflated fees are doing well....one specific guy, matt/ michael/ leather master, keeps raising and lowering his fee...when i last looked, he was at 145.

[Kevin Slater]

Thanks for the neat analysis. But I'm confused by the data: these numbers suggest no one charges between 250 and 300. (Ben Andrews, for example, advertises 275 an hour.)

 

Out of curiosity, did you tabulate the in-call rate, the out-call, or the lesser of the two?

 

Kevin Slater

[Epigonos]

Kevin thanks. You are absolutely correct. I have now edited that category to read guys with fees under $300.00.

If one fee was under $300 it went into that category. I did NOT separate ones that have, let's say $250 in and $300 out.

[JT Brooklyn]

kaikaman..Well after all is said and done. It is solely up to BOTH the Working Guy and Clients as to Who spends What on Who! And Who has the "Bigger Fantasy" in this Arrangement! LOL

 

The Best and most "Comical" Side Story to these RATE discussions that has come up in the past was..

 

The Well known World Traveler and Reviewed Guy, who chose to say that "IF the Client CANCELLED it was up to him to PAY Anyway!

 

This shows you where a few (very few) Working Guys heads are at when it comes to the subject of Rates and their worth! I'm sure that put a "dent" in his future "Worldly" Biz! LOL :-)

[2hard2tame]

>

>If you were hired to work in an office, and were told the

>salary was $4000/month, what would be the employer's reaction

>if you said "well that's OK if I can work from home, but it I

>have to come all the way down to your office, then I need

>$5000 do compensate me for my travel time and expense".

>

>Last time I checked they don't pay you for getting to the job.

>Escorting is no different as far as I am concerned.

>

 

 

 

Did you just compare escorting to a regular day job?

hahahahaha. Sigh.

 

You are looney AND delusional.

[+ purplekow]

>>A personal pet peeve about pricing is the incall/outcall

>price

>>difference. I see no problem with an initial hour outcall

>>price which covers time and expense of the commute,

>

>Well I have an issue with it, big time.

>

>If you were hired to work in an office, and were told the

>salary was $4000/month, what would be the employer's reaction

>if you said "well that's OK if I can work from home, but it I

>have to come all the way down to your office, then I need

>$5000 do compensate me for my travel time and expense".

 

I consider that this is a service, as computer repair is. You bring your computer to the shop, there is a lesser fee than if they make a home or business visit. Your bring your body to the masseuse, you get a lower rate than if he has to pack up his table and come to you.

He is not my employee so paying more for an additional service seems fair. Once that additional service is covered, I can see no reason to pay on ongoing increased rate.

>

>Last time I checked they don't pay you for getting to the job.

>Escorting is no different as far as I am concerned.

>

>>my issue

>>is with the subsequent hourly fee being the same as the

>first.

>> No further commuting is taking place.

>

>Well I guess he could argue that after it's over, he has to

>get home. Clearly he has to get home after one hour or 24.

>

>>In the overall scheme of things, this is a small item,

>

>Maybe it is but it's the principle that matters. Most people

>don't stand up for principle any more and that's why we are

>getting walked over.(I guess an escort would charge more for

>"walking over you"):-)

 

Ultimately, you are purchasing a service and while you can negotiate the terms of that purchase, the final decision on price is the vender's he is the only one who can finalize a price change and the final decision to complete the purchase is the client's as he is the one finalizing an agreement to pay the price.

 

 

I have never seen a purplekow;

I never hope to see one;

I can tell you anyhow;

I'd rather see than be one

 

Help there is a purplekow in my mirror