JackBoy has Misled you--Call me to Argue/Talk if you wish 310.360.9890

[Rod Hagen]

I've never met Michael Hamilton, Luke of RI, or Mickey Squires. I will be home most of the day 09/19/01 please feel free to call me if you want any clarification or to yell.

310.360.9890

 

and respond here:

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/1489.html

____________________________________________

 

 

Good Evening,

 

I DID NOT CALL ANYBODY SICK MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! That was another Escort, NOT ME NOT ME NOT ME. I called nobody any names at all.

 

I just got back, early, from AZ. I was in Scottsdale at the Mayo with my boyfriend, my Monkey. Thanks for all the recommendations of Hotels. We loved the Four Seasons, and enjoyed looking at the architecture at the Biltmore when we stopped by for dinner. Thanks again for your recommendations.

 

I had mentioned in the Muscle Service post that I was leaving town for a few days and would not be accessing the Internet. Jackboy did not indicate this here later on (perhaps he is away from his computer) nor did anybody else who has access to the Muscle Service site. Well, imagine my surprise to find that after a more than 7-hour drive, I have to respond to LOTS of posters. I guess I should be glad the Muscle Service Site is down so that I can get some sleep this evening Anyway, sorry it took me so long to respond.

 

Doesn't seem like most of you read the original post on Ace's Muscle Service Site (now down). I suggest you read the whole thing so you know exactly what I, and others said, rather than be manipulated by Jackboy, Bitchboy, et al who have access to the information and are feeding it to you piecemeal.

 

Here's the whole story in a nutshell: my phone rings on Tuesday morning while the world is falling around us. I get the type of caller I normally am not happy to hear from on good days. The kind who's simply running through Frontier's ads for an early morning hump, and is not to concerned with who delivers it. Let me emphasize that these callers who made me upset were NOT LOOKING for comfort in a time of tragedy. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN MISLED. I made it quite clear on Ace's site that they were looking for a quick fuck without regard to the horror I was watching, and they must have seen, on television.

 

So yes, I did think very bad thoughts about these callers. Life is changing as we know it, and they are completely oblivious. I've made no secret here, or on Ace’s site that oblivious people, in short people who are just too CALIFORNIA, infuriate me. I simply said that I wasn't working, and did so for the next few days as I was not in the mood for quick fucks shortly after tragedy, and I found it juvenile that others were; particularly those not looking for a cuddling of compassion.

 

You've also been mislead, because neither Jack or anybody else has mentioned that before I left town on Sunday, I noted on ACE's site that I did not in fact SAY the strong comments in quotes in response, I only thought them. Read my reviews http://207.14.53.20/reviews/rodhagen.html and decide if I would say such things to a caller I did not want to see other than "I am not available." Jack, Sports and the others knew that I did not say these things to the callers, but did not inform you all of that.

 

Everybody, lots of escorts said lots of separate things in the long post on Ace's site. A post I did not start. There are many instances in this post Jack started on Hooboy where many of the quotes are from Escorts other than me, where my few comments are taken out of context and so my usual strong opinions read downright dastardly. Because one escort said one thing, it does not mean that every other escort in the post said or feels something similar. If you want to read the entire post, if you'd like to make up your own mind rather than what Jack and others feed you, please register for the site and read the original stuff. THANKS.

 

Now, person by person:

 

Jackboy, I never referred to anybody as sick Mother Fuckers or anything like that. Anybody who read his post and took that away from it, Jackboy mislead you.

 

DavidoNYC, Please see above. These people were not looking for comfort, that I could totally understand even if I did not feel fit to supply it at the time. They were completely oblivious to what was going on in the world. Californian's can be so vague

 

Sports, I have lots of respect for people who are aware of the world events transpiring around them, and zero respect for those who breeze through life.

 

IM_Moor, It is a real shame that we are not going to meet. Again, I never referred to anybody as a sick mother fucker or anything like that. Read my reviews and the comments from Adriano above and you will see that I LOVE both what and whom I do Please contact me if we have an appointment scheduled so that I can make the necessary updates. THANKS.

 

DCEscort and Beware, Once more, please just read the whole muscle service post. It's very easy to register on Ace's site, and you may have fun there.

 

Les, thank you very much for cutting through the deception and the confusion. I really appreciate the HELP

 

Rick, You know that I am a very compassionate person, and you say this just to make yourself look better at my expense. That is not fair to me. That is actually, underhanded.

 

IM_Moor, answering my phone is a reflex. You're right, it's on voicemail that says I am out of town because I just got back (see above). Again, read my reviews and you will see that I am anything but arrogant.

 

CT, Thank you very much. And can you believe that Disney is going forward with implementing 700 Club into their new (purchased) network? YIKES.

 

Justice, thanks for the clarifications and for the link (though again, people have to bother to register, and if Ace's webpage is not their thing, it's unlikely that they will). Right now what's going on in my head is I NEED SLEEP.

 

ZacDC, god I wish I could be as mellow as you! Thanks for being there for me, and not using this an opportunity to sell yourself to the readers, unlike Rick. Thank you very much Zack, I am glad that you were able to get back to work , best of luck.

 

Jeff, I lashed out MENTALLY and on the INTERNET but not to their ears not because of an "apparent" lack of compassion, but a very real ignorance to the significance of the days' events. Thanks for the help with the AZ hotels.

 

JT, I understand your needs. Unfortunately, I would not even have been able to supply even that to a stranger on Tuesday or Wednesday of last week. I was asked to supply a lot more, but NOT because they were depressed, or even affected, by the tragedy.

 

Charon, I am very happy to hear that your brother made it out ok. Both of you are very fortunate.

 

BuckyXTC, once again we are hearing a voice of reason from somebody who read the ENTIRE POST. Thank you very much for your help. I am very glad that your appointment with the escort was helpful for you. BTW is your name from the band XTC? I love that group; "Dear God"

 

Adriano, what can I say but you are one in a million. I hope we get to see each other again soon.

 

Bitchboy, I will skip you. I'm sure you're used to being skipped over.

 

David, that "Silent Scream" post was extremely honest, graphic, and over-the-top for a reason: to drive a point home. Of course I have forgotten the point, (SHIT, sorry) but I do remember that the strength of that thread resulted in one post from a new escort who'd felt conflicted about the business, saying he was dropping out of the business having related so well to what I'd written. So at the very least I changed someone's life for the better with that post.

 

Italian Lover, sorry I've been out of town. I came back early.

 

Charlie, god sometimes I have to remind myself that I am NOT a therapist Thank you for your logical opinions.

 

JohnnySneakers, since I am the aforementioned escort that is taking the biggest beating here, it would have been nice if you'd indicated that I was NOT THE ESCORT who said anything bad about Arabs. I would have really appreciated that distinction, and it would have been big of you. I'm taking such a hit from all the confusion, not being succinct about who was racist can only hurt me, UNFAIRLY.

 

And that's it. Again I called nobody any names and I hope that many of you will not be so easily mislead in the future.

 

Goodnight.

 

-Hagen

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[BuckyXTC]

<<BuckyXTC, once again we are hearing a voice of reason from somebody who read the ENTIRE POST. Thank you very much for your help. I am very glad that your appointment with the escort was helpful for you. BTW is your name from the band XTC? I love that group; "Dear God" >>

 

Rod, glad to offer support......from what I knew of you, which is admittedly limited, I felt your feelings were being misrepresented. In my line of work, of which I can say little here, I too, have to deal with folks who sometimes have what I call "an existential disconnect". I use this term to describe the penchant some people have from time to time, where they appear to be oblivious to issues around them that REALLY MATTER as opposed to the lesser issues which seem to preoccupy them. In many cases, I think this phenomenon is akin to what neo-Freudian thinkers call "adaptive regression in the service of the ego", except in this case I think it may be maladaptive regression. Sometimes when an event overwhelms us, our response to it is out of synch with what we would normally consider appropriate. A case in point is the strange urge to resort to humor in the face of pain or tragedy. It is a coping mechanism. Every event in life is contextual, in the sense that we wouldn't make sense of anything if we remove it from its setting in life. Hence, context is as important as the event itself.

 

The XTC thing has a multitude of meanings for me.....yes, it is connected with the band and my love of their music, and more. I won't go into the "more" here right now, maybe another time.

 

Hang in there. Hope to talk with or meet you some day.

 

Bucky XTC

[BewareofNick]

Rod, I read the entire post too, and when I did I realized that you were maligned. You were understandably upset about what happened and rightfully so. It was the person who responded to your message that made that awful comment.

 

Jackboy, you owe Rod an apology.

[Guest jackboy51]

Dear Rod, it'll be a cold day in a place you know well before I'd ever be silly enough to actually call you! I posted my comment because I was truly shocked by what you and the others were saying, and lets face the facts, I agree that you did not directly call your clients sick mother fuckers, but you did allow that comment by Michael Hamilton to stand without correction when he initially agreed with your dismay about being called to perform the services which you both so frequently advertise. Allowing that remark to go unclarified for as long as you did implied that you did in fact agree. I never misled anyone by my comment, I did not remark on what you actually did or did not say to your callers, and you had plenty of time before you left for the "desert" to make a clarification, including the posts you made just before leaving.

 

I truly believe that you owe me, yourself, and all the others who made additional comments an apology for the remarks you made when "shooting off" once again. I thought it was truly remarkable how so many of the others were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because of how you were reacting to this national disaster, and it made me consider that you probably were indeed being affected by your emotions of that particular day(s).

 

I have read comments from you in the past which I found disturbing, but have never made any remarks until now. This was just a little too much, and way to over the top.

[Rod Hagen]

>Dear Rod, it'll be a cold

>day in a place you

>know well before I'd ever

>be silly enough to actually

>call you!

 

 

Jack, sorry you misunderstood. It was an invitation for anybody who wanted to talk further person to person about this. Since I had been unavailable for several days, I was making myself extra available. It was not, specifically, an invitiation to you. I appreciate all the calls I received today, I enjoyed talking to all of you about this.

 

>Allowing that remark to go

>unclarified for as long as

>you did implied that you

>did in fact agree.

 

In your world, Jack, perhaps. But in the real world it is not the responsibility of, say, an editorial writer to distance himself from another editorial writer's comments simply because the Newspaper printed both their opinions on the same page. It was not my responsibility to distance myself from Michael's comments, though I do find them harsh.

 

And you did intentionally misled Hooboy's reader's to believe that I had said something along those lines.

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[Rod Hagen]

Jack caught in a Lie

 

This is what you originally wrote Jack: http://www.male4malescorts.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/1489.html

 

"I never had any idea that Rod Hagen, Michael Hamilton, Luke of RI, or Mickey Squires thought of their clients as sick mother fuckers...did you?"

 

Jackboy, you wrote here:

http://www.male4malescorts.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/1504.html

 

>lets face the facts, I

>agree that you did not

>directly call your clients sick

>mother fuckers,

 

Regarding that quote from that post you went on to say here:

http://www.male4malescorts.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/1504.html

 

>I never misled anyone by my

>comment...

 

You actually said that I (and others) thought of my clients as sick Mother Fuckers, and now you say I never said that. Which is it? The truth is I never said that, and you have admitted that what you told every one here was UNTRUE.

Game, Set, Match.

 

-Hagen

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[Guest jackboy51]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

Rod, it is indeed a "fact" that you allowed the comments by Michael Hamilton to stand without clarification. And, it is also a "fact" that you made additional comments before you left, so you did have an opportunity to make the clarification. Because Michael Hamilton's remarks were so shocking, and because you did not refute his statements, you appeared to imply that you were both on the same wavelength. I am obviously not the only one who thought this, but I was the one to initially call it to the attention of this board.

 

I am grateful to this board for the opportunity it gives men who use escorts a way in which we can find out more about what we might likely encounter. I have had both good and bad experiences with escorts and am willing to share my views with others. If someone does not agree with me, that's OK.

 

Personally, I think you need to start wearing a helmut.

 

Take care,

 

Jackboy

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

>statements, you appeared to imply

>that you were both on

>the same wavelength.

 

Really? "appeared to imply"? That's pretty weak Jack. Use some common sense maybe.

 

>I am grateful to this board

>for the opportunity it gives

>men who use escorts a

 

I think you "hire" escorts, not "use" them. That's a bit revealing.

 

>Personally, I think you need to

>start wearing a helmut.

 

Dude, that's really sick. Why, because I am going to be shot at? Something else? What the hell are you talking about??? Reads to me like a threat (of violence?), and at a really inappropriate time in world affairs. Am I wrong?

 

-Hagen

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[+ Lucky]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

Rod Hagen may or not may not be a nice guy, I don't know. On the day of the Attack On America, tensions and tempers were high. I think we ought to declare an amnesty for any comments made that day, starting right with Rod. He did not endorse the comment made by Mike Hamilton, and his other comments can be best considered in light of the events surrounding them.

SO, if I am ever in LA, I will find out for myself if Rod likes his work.....

[Guest jackboy51]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

>>Personally, I think you need to

>>start wearing a helmut.

>

>Dude, that's really sick. Why,

>because I am going to

>be shot at? Something else?

> What the hell are

>you talking about??? Reads to

>me like a threat (of

>violence?), and at a really

>inappropriate time in world affairs.

> Am I wrong?

>

Rod, you are more than just wrong, but for the sake of the saga, I was refering to your often described activities in what you describe as "manly" sports such as snowboarding, etc. You've obviously have had one head injury too many and should start wearing a helmut when participating in these sports for the sake of your own health.

[Guest Sports]

RE: Hagen Escort

 

Lucky, when youv'e "ordered Rod Hagen in" will you look (deeply) for his silent scream, and then talk to Hagen about accountability? Or will you be in the laundry, washing out the s**t?

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

> You've obviously have

>had one head injury too many

 

Boy did I miss that one, I had no idea what you were talking about; your comment really came out of left field. I can't believe I'm agreeing with you, but you're probably right. Not just during sports, but while visiting this board as well.

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

Trinidad 5 Golf Tango taking the

active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[+ deej]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

[h2]ENOUGH![/h2]

 

Those of you intent on discrediting escorts can just take your tripe back to muscleservice.com.

 

There are several names on this thread who ONLY post when it serves the purpose of discrediting an escort with an otherwise good reputation. You may think nobody noticed, but we did. }>

 

I'm one of the people who picked up the phone and talked to Rod when he posted his number. I found him to be delightful and look forward to meeting him some day. We had a very honest and frank discussion about many things, this board and some posters here included.

 

Everyone just go back to your corners. Let this drop. Veterans here know how to read between the lines, and newbies have enough information on this thread to learn how as well.

 

Stick a fork in it. It's done.

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

I don't know Jackboy, but I think his argument that Rod somehow had an obligation to disassociate himself from what other people said in a message forum is patently absurd. If we expected everyone participating in a message area to either agree or disagree with every opinion stated in the course of a discussion, Hooboy would have to install much bigger servers than he has now.

Sorry, Jackboy. The truth of the matter is simple: you started this whole mess by attributing remarks to Rod Hagen that he simply did not say. I can understand your embarrassment at having done so. Wouldn't it have been much simpler to just acknowledge your mistake and say you're sorry? Unless, of course you're not sorry for wrongfully besmirching Rod's reputation.

 

I wish we could all cut each other a little more slack and realize that none of us are perfect, we all understate or overstate our case at times, and ought to show at least a smidgeon of forbearance and patience with others. Particularly with what's going on all around us in the world at the present time.

 

Jackboy, I'd much rather see your error as an honest mistake, rather than seeing you as someone with a vendetta against Rod.

 

Peace, guys!

 

BuckyXTC

[Guest Zach DC]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

Hey Rod, you're welcome. And thanks for coloring me "mellow." That gave me a big grin.

 

Zach DC

[mmk]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

Thank you deej for that response! It is so refreshing to see that other people are sick and tired of the cattiness and just plain malicious petty bitchiness that so many people feel the need to spew here. I am new to this site but there have been more petty arguments going on here than all nine seasons of Dynasty and all 7 of Melrose Place put together. Get over it people! Some of you are condemning others for having an opinion for Christ sakes. Get lives for crying out loud!! If your biggest joy in life is trashing people -both escorts and clients alike- then that makes you a very small, bitter, petty person indeed. (To those people who do not fit in this category-and you know who you are-if I have offended you then I do offer a very sincere apology. That was not my intent at all.)

[Guest Wildcats]

Who is MICHAEL HAMILTON of Chicago? I only know of the NFL linebacker of Cleveland Browns. Do we have any review of him, or pic?

[Matt_Vancouver]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

Ok I want to be Alexis , she was the best bitch ever, and those gowns... what that girl could do with shoulder pads.

I think DcEscortboy should be Crystal, the only worthy foe to Alexis. The catfight they had... wow... meow, hiss.

Matt(sharpening my claws) (Just playing DC, no hard feelings)

 

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[+ deej]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

You wouldn't need the shoulder pads, hun. :-)

 

I wouldn't want to be *any* of the characters, but there's a ton I wouldn't mind sleeping with. :o

[Guest Sports]

RE: Mike Hamilton's Link

 

Here's his site; he uses the name Matt Horner. I'm surprised that Hagen didn't have the link. Enjoy!

http://www.chicagostreetmuscle.com/

[mmk]

RE: Jack caught in a Lie

 

Matt, even though Alexis had those fabulous shoulder pads, you are aware that Krystle always kicked the shit out of Alexis anytime they had the physical cat fights? I myself would rather be be Amanda from Melrose Place because she always got the last word in(and it was always a very bitchy last word at that.)