Being Honest

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

FYI: It's spelled 'schmuck' and those who speak Yiddish here on the MC are, understandably, kvetching privately over your mistake.

 

What Lucky said didn't strike me as being out-of-line. If it were me (or anyone else), they would have gotten the same treatment for going back on what they had said in an earlier post. While it's always Rick's right to review and amend his opinion, it's also Lucky's right to call a spade a spade.

 

Jesse: I'm really sorry to hear about all of this. I hope you're taking good care of yourself, physically and mentally, while getting as much information on the disease as you possibly can. Knowlege is power. As others have said on this thread already, there's no reason why you can't live a long, healthy life as long as you keep certain things in check.

 

Do you have an independent medical plan (or otherwise)? If so, check to see what their stance is on HIV and drug matinence plans. The small print on some of those policies is insane.

 

 

~BN

[Guest TNT Ted]

Jesse, you have obviously impressed the members of this micro-community with your honest approach to what is without a doubt a difficult turning point in your very young life. I sincerely hope you find comfort in the sentiments expressed.

 

I join the group to wish you well on the journey ahead.

 

Ted

[Steven_Draker]

More power to you, Jesse.

 

Last week I was really put off by the hypocrisy of one guy who posted in the "How do you know" thread, but your message gave me a new hope to revisit the Message Board.

 

On the other hand I fully agree with Lucky, I don't see why poz clients should be discriminated.

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.hotsexystud.com/uk

[Rick Munroe]

>What Lucky said didn't strike me as being out-of-line. If it

>were me (or anyone else), they would have gotten the same

>treatment for going back on what they had said in an earlier

>post.

 

What I posted to Jesse had nothing to do with what I had previously posted about HIV+ clients. Is it really inconceivable that a person can feel compassion and respect for someone who has just announced he's seroconverted but also have a mental block about having sex with poz guys? That's like saying that I cannot feel and express, for example, true sympathy for someone whose wife was just killed in a car accident, because I once said I felt uncomfortable about driving past the scene of a collision. Or that I cannot say "Congratulations" to and feel proud of my nephew on his Bar Mitzvah (as I recently did) because I once said that I am an atheist and do not follow the Jewish religion. Or that I cannot attend and be genuinely happy for my straight friend's wedding (as I did last year) since I previously stated that going to straight people's weddings makes me uncomfortable because Derek and I have been together for 18 years and are still just "boyfriends."

 

Human beings are complex creatures (well, some of us, anyway ) and we are capable of feeling a myriad of emotions and thoughts and opinions that can seem to oppose each other in some ways but still be genuine and real and rational. We're also capable of growing and changing and expanding our minds. Life isn't always black and white. And even if I hadn't successfully gotten past my mental block, I would still stand by what I wrote to Jesse above. I still greatly admire, respect, and sympathize. There's no "going back on" anything.

[Guest empire]

Jesse I wish you the best. Going forward you'll have plenty of ups and downs, however, with the current advances in medicine you should be able to have a very long and productive life.

[Rick Munroe]

>On the other hand I fully agree with Lucky, I don't see why

>poz clients should be discriminated.

 

I never said poz clients "should be discriminated (against)." My original statement, which is now being taken out of context, had to do with my personal mental block and being unable to stop thinking about the person's status while we were together (and am I really the only person who's ever done that or just the only person who's ever admitted it on this message board?). As I've said above, I've fully overcome that mental block and it isn't an issue for me at all anymore. However, even if it were still an issue for me, I don't think any escort should tell other escorts who they should accept as clients. For example, I see clients of all races and I love men of all races, but I would never criticize another escort who refuses to see men of color. If he isn't attracted to them and won't be able to perform and states so upfront, he's being an honest businessman, in my opinion.

[+ Charlie]

It says a lot about both your sweetness and your naivete that you announced this news immediately in this forum. I wish you all the best.

[Guest empire]

Interesting how it appears you have taken this thread from a supportive role (for Jesse) to the gutter by attacking Rick Monroe. As if being positive gives you some card carrying right that every escort (or potential sex partner) should accept you or any other person who is positve as a client (or bed partner).

 

Do you ever use common sense when posting or are all your judgments based on your own personal agenda regardless of how that agenda effects others?

[Guest Jesse Dane]

Thankyou so much everyone for the support and emails and everything! It really means a lot to me. This whole situation has really done a lot to restore my faith in people. (well many of you anyways) ;-)

 

I'm moving forward, making some lifestyle/health changes. Looking forward to getting back to SF and getting plugged into some newly poz groups out there. I really am in a pretty good state about everything. I finally came out of my state of shock and cried which was very good.

 

So again, thanks everyone! :-)

[Steven_Draker]

> had to do with my personal mental block and being unable to

> stop thinking about the person's status while we were together

 

Which mental block when you assume that everyone is HIV+ ?

[VaHawk]

I also agree with Lucky!

 

FallenAngel and Empire, yeah, none of us have heard their songs before, no matter how many times they are the poster ^% formerly known as ________ (fill in the blanks)! :7

 

Lucky makes a very valid point! Not many escorts, or even non-escorts, will hookup with someone who is openly honest about his HIV+ status, but will readily do so when the status is not mentioned!

 

It would be very interesting to see how many of the "well-wisher" posters here, ACTUALLY go out and hire an admittedly HIV+ escort and prove it by posting a review. Not really, as I'm fairly sure that none of them will, despite their "songs of support"! :-(

[BigK]

VaHawk preaches with his usual pathetic prognostications:

>

>It would be very interesting to see how many of the

>"well-wisher" posters here, ACTUALLY go out and hire an

>admittedly HIV+ escort and prove it by posting a review. Not

>really, as I'm fairly sure that none of them will, despite

>their "songs of support"! :-(

 

 

Well you are wrong asshole. I plan to hire him and if I need to write a review to prove it I will. x( I was captivated by Jesse's personality here on the message center and when I found out he was moving to San Francisco I anticipated the time when I would hire him. I most certainly will on my next trip to SF. I always practice safer sex so I am not worried!

 

Any one here that has hired numerous escorts has most likely been with HIV+ escorts. I think I am Representative of most here who are "well-wishers" that if attracted to Jesse before the notice would still see him after the notice. Those who would change their plans are only deluding themselves into thinking this makes them safer.

 

 

BigK

[VaHawk]

>Well you are wrong asshole.

 

Gee, just HOW many TIMES does the HAWK have to be called an "asshole" a "fucktard", etc., etc. before the people calling him those names, are at least CENSORED if not outright BANNED from this site for the violations of the tos?!

 

> I plan to hire him and if I need to write a review to prove it I will. x( I was captivated by Jesse's personality here on the message center and when I found out he was moving to San Francisco I anticipated the time when I would hire him. I most certainly will on my next trip to SF. I always practice safer sex so I am not worried!

 

I look forward to reading your review! Just WTF? does this have to do with my post? And why does the fact that you feel this way give you the RIGHT to call me an "asshole"?????

>

>Any one here that has hired numerous escorts has most likely

>been with HIV+ escorts. I think I am Representative of most

>here who are "well-wishers" that if attracted to Jesse before

>the notice would still see him after the notice. Those who

>would change their plans are only deluding themselves into

>thinking this makes them safer.

 

AGAIN! WTF? does this have to do with my post?, as I did not "attack" Jesse, just supported Lucky's comments, so ONCE AGAIN, WTF????

[Guest empire]

>I also agree with Lucky!

>

>FallenAngel and Empire, yeah, none of us have heard their

>songs before, no matter how many times they are the poster ^%

>formerly known as ________ (fill in the blanks)! :7

 

If it makes you more comfortable to feel this way so be it.

 

>Lucky makes a very valid point! Not many escorts, or even

>non-escorts, will hookup with someone who is openly honest

>about his HIV+ status, but will readily do so when the status

>is not mentioned!

>

 

I don't believe you actually READ my post. If you had then your comment directed at me would have been different. I did not state whether I agree or disagree with the content of Lucky's message just the timing, assumption and delivery of it.

 

Here is my original remarks regarding Lucky's horrific post within this thread, try to READ it this time.

Interesting how it appears you have taken this thread from a supportive role (for Jesse) to the gutter by attacking Rick Monroe. As if being positive gives you some card carrying right that every escort (or potential sex partner) should accept you or any other person who is positve as a client (or bed partner).

 

Do you ever use common sense when posting or are all your judgments based on your own personal agenda regardless of how that agenda effects others?

I feel my original post is correct. As is my post wishing Jesse the very best.

[VaHawk]

>If it makes you more comfortable to feel this way so be it.

 

My comfort level has nothing to do with the truth of either my or Lucky's observations!

>

>I don't believe you actually READ my post.

 

DUH! Sure I READ your post!

 

>If you had then

>your comment directed at me would have been different.

 

Nope, it would have been and still is the same!

 

>I did not state whether I agree or disagree with the content of

>Lucky's message just the timing, assumption and delivery of

>it.

 

So, the truth should only be uttered when it is convenient??

 

>Here is my original remarks regarding Lucky's horrific post

>within this thread, try to READ it this time.

 

I READ it the first time, and re-reading it in this post, hasn't changed by opinion/observations.

 

>Interesting how it appears you have taken this thread from

>a supportive role (for Jesse) to the gutter by attacking Rick

>Monroe. As if being positive gives you some card carrying

>right that every escort (or potential sex partner) should

>accept you or any other person who is positve as a client (or

>bed partner).

 

I had no comment on this in my post, and I refuse to comment upon it on the second posting, or the third, or the fourth, or the fifth, or even the 100000000000000th time that you choose to post it.

>

>Do you ever use common sense when posting or are all your

>judgments based on your own personal agenda regardless of how

>that agenda effects others?

 

Same reply as the above.

 

>I feel my original post is correct. As is my post wishing

>Jesse the very best.

 

I feel your op was incorrect, and was pointless in its attack against Lucky! No one is denying that you wished Jesse the very best, but unfortunately those wishes were lost in all the negativity of your attack against other posters on this site.

[Lookin]

Me too, BigK, if he agrees. I was attracted to Jesse before he posted, and his straightforward honesty sealed the deal. Same with Seaboy4hire - I sent him an email a few months ago asking him to let me know if he gets to San Francisco. They're both hotties just physically. And when you combine that with character and class, you've got someone I'd like to get next to.

[swallows22]

No comments. No evaluations. But one question. WHY?

[pierrot]

Jesse, you're going to be alright. Your honesty is really moving and sweet. Just take care of yourself and make sure you don't get other infections that would mess up your immune system. The HIV can be handled pretty well these days. There are lots of drug treatments if and when you need them. A big hug from a stranger.

[JT Brooklyn]

Jesse. The Best to You in San Fran.. I am sure you will find the Support and Help of many people in that area!

[RockHard]

"What Lucky said didn't strike me as being out-of-line. If it were me (or anyone else), they would have gotten the same treatment for going back on what they had said in an earlier post. While it's always Rick's right to review and amend his opinion, it's also Lucky's right to call a spade a spade."

 

This was no spade call, Ben, and your sour grapes/tit-for-tat invocation is too immature for me to respect. I pay little attention to Lucky's posts. Bitchy queens are so common. I received a private email informing me that Lucky is not the personality he presents on this board. So why give his words any credence? His board game of manipulation bores me.

 

I'm sorry to read such defensive dribble from Rick Munroe, especially in response to meaningless Lucky. I LOVED Rick's honesty in the referenced post and didn't see his words in mere black and white. There was no need to amend or apologize.

 

Whenever I discover the hiv+ status of a sexual partner, I take pause. Last I heard, hiv is a sexually transmitted disease, one that kills. A healthy mind is a mind that thinks twice when confronted with such serious consequence. I prefer men who have a conscience.

 

I'm sure there are a few men here who wouldn't think twice about sucking a herpes-laden cock or eating an ass oozing in parasites. What can one say about the bug chasers?

 

Jesse Dane, you have a lot of courage, something few men possess. An hiv+ diagnosis isn't what it was 20 years ago but it, nonetheless, will change your life forever. How you deal with this change will determine the outcome. I have a feeling your conscience will guide you.

[CT Dick]

Jesse, to get back to the original post, I am so sorry about your news but I am also very impressed with your openness.

 

A poz friend of mine told me about a website that has been very valuable to him:

 

http://www.thebody.com/index.html

 

I hope it helps you, too.

 

Dick

[OneFinger]

Jesse,

 

The link CT Dick provided is a great resource. For me, the best way to deal with tough news is to get as much info as possible. The Body is a good starting place.

 

I, too, appreciate your post and the way you're dealing with this. As others have said, it took a lot of courage to post it on this site and subject yourself to the potential negative comments. It took guts.

 

There are a lot of great resources in the Bay area. I think your move can be very helpful as you chart your future.

 

Good luck with things and keep us updated.

 

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"We need to have more respect for each other. Things have just gone really crazy, out of control. ... We're on a very weird kind of cycle." Stevie Wonder

[Guest]

>

>It would be very interesting to see how many of the

>"well-wisher" posters here, ACTUALLY go out and hire an

>admittedly HIV+ escort and prove it by posting a review. Not

>really, as I'm fairly sure that none of them will, despite

>their "songs of support"! :-(

 

I've done better than that. I once hired an HIV+ escort for a 4 or 5 day trip across the country. It happens that Jesse is not my type (I prefer more muscular guys), but if he were my type, I'd have no hesitation to hire him. It turned out, ironically, that I probably hired the escort I did because of his HIV status, because I found out during the trip that his doctor presumeably used his HIV status to prescribe anabolic steroid gel for him. The reality was that it gave him a bodybuilder build--the guy hardly had wasting. Probably fine on paper, but the medical board might have been a little upset if they actually saw the patient who was being prescribed the anabolic steroid...

[Rick Munroe]

>I'm sorry to read such defensive dribble from Rick Munroe,

>especially in response to meaningless Lucky. I LOVED Rick's

>honesty in the referenced post and didn't see his words in

>mere black and white. There was no need to amend or apologize.

 

Rock, that's OK if you thought it was "dribble" but what I wrote above was just as honest as my original referenced post. Yes, it was in response to Lucky but there was no apology (I said I was sorry it it offended him, not that I was sorry for having written it). I am constantly growing and changing as a person and Lucky, as tasteless as his post was, merely gave me the opportunity to express that.

[Guest alanm]

Rock, so far no one has given Rick any credit for standing alone and responding to all the questioners on every point. Lucky came back at him several times and others entered the discussion (including two escorts)

after Rick answered Lucky's original question.

 

In retrospect, Rick's first posting, in which he explained the evolution of his position on POZ clients, should have ended the discussion.

 

I understand why this is an important issue to Lucky and many others, but Rick became the sole focus of some people's frustrations and one person's mischief. That's life on HooBoy's message center; Rick is a big boy and can handle himself.