Sex after escorts

[Guest allansmith63]

Sean, I don't quite understand your "I rest my case" comment. (Just for your info, I've hired only one escort in my life, just a few times, and that relationship continued well past the end of the traditional escort/client business relationship. I hang out here because I have learned a great deal about myself through other guys' posts - I enjoy the repartee, have made some friends, and occasionally I feel I have something of minor import to add.)

 

So, please clarify your point for me.

 

Allan

[Guest 7Zach]

ur so funny...btw, did they get the "whole" dildo out? just a reality check...

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Cute! and yes they got the whole thing.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

BG It was directed to anyone who has to or feels the need to pay for sex. Face it, if you could get the sex you need for free do you think any of you would be paying for it?

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Allan, Are you still seeing this Escort and are you providing him with anything as in gifts, money etc? If so then you fall into the Sugar Daddy category. Many Escorts are quite good at befriending Clients and getting more out of them than they would on an hourly basis.

[Boston Guy]

Sean,

 

You seem to be assigning some mystical quality to sex and then implying there is something wrong or negative with paying for it.

 

Almost anyone can get sex for free if they want it, especially within their own age group. Guys who want to have sex with younger guys have to give those younger guys a reason to play. But it cuts both ways: guys who want to get money from older guys have to give those guys a reason to pay. Each party is making a deal they're happy with, or at least willing to live with.

 

I see virtually no difference in paying for sex or paying for a meal in a good restaurant. In both cases I'm paying for a service that has some value for me. I don't assign a moral or ethical value beyond that to the transaction. And I don't look down my nose at clients -- or at escorts.

 

Sex with hot younger guys can be fun and, when it is, it's entertainment. I pay to go the movies, I pay for cable tv, I pay for vacations. It's all part of a package of entertainment that pleases me.

 

It's ironic that you make your comments in this thread, because it's within this thread that I have expressed a feeling that I may stop hiring escorts and begin to date again, because I'm thinking that may be more where I want to take my life at this stage. And, yes, part of dating is getting sex for free, to use your expression.

 

Perhaps there are some guys who can only get sex for pay, but I don't think it's true of most. Instead I think most guys who hire escorts are choosing to do so, for reasons that make sense to them.

 

Fortunately, if you've got resources, you also have options. And one of those options is to spend time in the company of enjoyable young men.

 

Finally, as an aside, if I had to choose between being a client or being an escort, I would take the client side any day of the week. There is no way in the world that I would have sex with guys I didn't want to, not for fifty times as much money as I have paid the escorts I have hired.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

BG I wasn't putting anyone down for hiring guys. Hell I rent my body out to those who hire. My point was that if any of you think that Escorts enjoy doing what they do then not only are you deluded you're sadly mistaken. They will NEVER admit to this of course. Escorts do it for the money and the money only or whatever else they can get out of it. Do yourselves a big favor and go out and TRY and find someone to love. Hiring guys is an empty existence and may be fun for an hour or an evening but what do you have when its over? An empty wallet and a few cum stains on your sheets! You may not find the blonde boy of your dreams but you just may find someone that likes you for you and not your wallet.

[Guest allansmith63]

>Allan, Are you still seeing this Escort and

>are you providing him with anything as in gifts,

>money etc? If so then you fall into the Sugar

>Daddy category. Many Escorts are quite good at

>befriending Clients and getting more out of

>them than they would on an hourly basis.

 

Sean, you have a jaundiced view of the world. Yes, I still see this escort as a friend of mine - guess what, no gifts, no money. When we do things together - dinner, etc. - we typically argue over who pays. For me, it's been a great friendship that's endured beyond the end of our physical relationship. After our business arrangement ended last September, we continued seeing each other - and the only gifts that happened were exchanged at Christmas time - and I'll guarantte you that the gift he gave me was worth 4 or 5 times the gift I bought him.

 

So, sorry, this boy ain't no sugar daddy. I owe him a huge debt of gratitude - something I can never repay with anything other than my friendship - and wouldn't insult him by trying to pay him off with gifts and bucks.

 

Have a good 'un.

 

Allan

So,

[+ deej]

On the flip side of the issue, Sean, we could go out and find "Mister Right" (instead of "Mister Right Now") and he could STILL just be after our wallet. ;-)

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Allen, Congrats! I'm happy that this guy is not taking you for a ride. I to have made friends with clients whom I no longer see on that basis. We're friends, we go out to dinner, drinks, movies etc. One of them just passed away a few weeks ago and I miss him dearly. I considered him my second Grandfather. Yeah he was way old but a dear dear man. I'm not saying these types of relationships don't occur. But they are few and far between. Most Escorts are hustlers and are only out for what they can get.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

SO TRUE!

[Guest delhi]

>In

>the time that I've been

>Escorting I have found one

>common thread that binds all

>clients together. Personality disorders. The

>majority having severe self esteem

>problems and the others are

>simply doing it because they

>have the money and don't

>like dealing with the bar

>scene.

 

Why is not wanting to deal with the bar scene a symptom of a personality disorder? I can't see anybody who has any kind of real career having a lot of free time to spend hanging out in some bar. I also don't see that picking up someone you just met in a bar to have sex shows that you are more well-adjusted than someone who hires a hooker. I think the only difference between the two is that one is more time-efficient than the other.

 

 

>I can assure you

>that 99.9% of Escorts wouldn't

>be caught dead with most

>of you UNLESS you were

>paying.

 

 

I believe it. By the same token, a lot of us wouldn't want to spend our scarce leisure time with the empty-headed kids who make up a large percentage of escorts if they didn't put out. Other than sex, their appeal is pretty limited.

 

 

>A colleague of mine

>called me just last night

>and said "I can't do

>this much longer they're getting

>uglier by the day". My

>advice to you is to

>seek professional therapy and figure

>out what it is that

>drives you to pay for

>sex.

 

In my case it's just a matter of convenience, like ordering takeout. And what about you, what made you decide to become a prostitute?

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

I moved to LA in the spring of 84. I walked into a bar called Numbers and within 10 mins of ordering a drink an older gentelman walked up to me and offered me 300 bucks to suck my dick. What would you do? I chose this profession because it pays well and I don't have to work a 9 to 5 job. So I'd have to say THE MONEY!

[Guest Viewmaster]

.

> I also don't see

>that picking up someone you

>just met in a bar

>to have sex shows that

>you are more well-adjusted than

>someone who hires a hooker.

> I think the only

>difference between the two is

>that one is more time-efficient

>than the other.

 

Not only that. How many times have men(gay and straight) taken a date out to dinner, theater, etc., all with the expectation that somehow paying for all that gives them the "right" to sex after? If that isn't paying for sex, what is? The escort route is just more honest and direct.

[Laurent]

Amen! Guess what escort just got removed from my list of potential hires.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Sweetie as I've said many times before, if you think I give a RATS ASS as to wether or not you or anyone else hires me not only are YOU deluded YOU'RE SADLY MISTAKEN!

[Guest cp8036]

Sean,

 

Your charm is infectious, I wish you lived in my city. Speaking only for myself, I appreciate your efforts to sugar coast the obvious. But, what do you gain for this mighty crusade?

 

Just as most escorts don't like to be thought of as trashy; young; vapid; irresponsible; stupid; money sucking hustlers, most clients don't like to be thought of as desperate; sexless; old perverts. These represent the extremes of both sides. I am sure most guys (client and escorts) are fairly normal folks. The inequality in money and youth is what brings the two together. There are many examples of guys that buy that don't really need to. Escorts told me of cases where they arrive to a hotel room, and apoligized for knocking on the wrong door. I know examples of escorts that are themselves delusional in thinking someone would buy their ass.

 

With bars and internet just about anyone can get laid. The reason I might buy is to easily and discreetly hookup for simple sex with someone that meets my type exactly. I don't care about romance, love, or picking out china patterns. I do care that the guy is good looking, respectful, and smart. I have an expectation, and with some research can find a good match. Sometimes just the thought of "buying" someone for an hour is a kink in itself. Since I am not a wealthy man, this is a kink I afford myself a few times a year. The rest of my life is quite adjusted.

 

I am not under any delusion to think I gain some lover or friend. I know fully that he is there for the money. I don't want him here for more than sex. A pleasant chat is fine, but most of his life is not of interest to me.

 

There are many escorts that can still do their job with dignity and respect, despite their lack of attraction. I have give respect to these guys that can deliver a good product and make the client feel as if he spent his time and money well. I know if I were younger, and in a position to sell my ass, there is no way I could pull it off.

 

Perhaps I have been lucky so far, but glad the guys I have met can at least act at a higher level than you. Of course an escort will not come out and support you here, it would be foolish to expect one to do that. However, kudos to the ones that did remark.

 

I'm glad your business is good. However, your attitude and/or contempt is more than likely to shine through. Yes, even you, will get old someday. I read once "Old hustlers never die, they just start to buy it back." If you think that is impossible for you, get a reality check.

[Guest cp8036]

Yes, I have passed on a free date, and met with an escort. I thought the escort was especially hot, he was in town, and had a place. Option B was someone equally as attractive, probably a nicer person to boot. However, he is somewhat relationship-oriented, and that is something I don't want at this point.

 

I am not married as many clients are. So, if you consider men in traditional marriages, you will find even more men that opt for a paid m4m date over a free fuck.

 

For someone that is in the business you don't seem very enlightened.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>I'm sure that if you and I had a private conversation on this topic your viewpoint would be the same<

 

Not quite the same, but I'd still welcome any conversation.

[mmk]

Wow, what anger and bitterness I am sensing here? Did some people have really bad weekends or what. (Also, not meaning to blow my own horn-no pun intended and get your minds out of the gutter-not everyone who hires escorts Sean for the purpose of sex are old, ugly and fat. I am in my mid 30's good looking and in good shape and can go out and get free sex very easily(which I am sure that many people who hire escorts can do with no problem) However, there are certain people I want to have sex with and if it means hiring them as an escort then so be it.)

Sean, please take no offense to this but you mentioned that your friend said that they are getting older, uglier and fatter. In reading you posts here do feel the same way as well. Seriously, maybe a break is in order for a little bit.

[Guest N]

WOW! I think that the thread which started out as one of the more intellegent ones (both beginning and responses) by people that I have come to think highly of as a result of their posts here, has taken an interesting turn.

 

Sean, with all due respect, I don't think you are quite as cynical or cruel as you present yourself. I don't think I am that bad a judge of character. Yes, we all know that the sex is an "act" on the part of the escort, but, why rub our noses in it. Accepting money from another for the use of your body is simply the other side of the same coin. I respect your right to sell, how about respecting our right to buy? I am worried for you when age stops you from practicing your profession.

 

Having been in a very long term relationship (over 30 years) I can tell you that hiring escorts is a way of not jeopardizing a very strong relationship. Sex is sex and for most of us a physical need. Love and respect and sharing a lifetime is a totally other thing.

 

Man is instinctually sexual. This is nature's way of keeping the race going. My belief is that we are programmed to constantly need new sexual stimuli. If it is the only thing not working in a relationship, why not satisfy it in a non-threatening manner?

 

BG, your bringing up the question is your answer. Do that which is going to fullfill your needs now. It is always subject to reversal or change.

 

Please forgive any spelling errors. If I had been meant to know how to spell, secretaries would not have been invented!

 

N

[Guest jeffOH]

I enjoy being an escort. It's not just about the money for me.

Seeing the pleasure that I am giving others gets me off. I may not be physically turned on by a client, but when I see how good

I'm making them feel, that's what does it for me. I couldn't have worked as an escort for the past 10 years if it was just about the money. I like meeting clients...getting to know them better. I'm just endlessly fascinated by all the different stories I hear.

 

Yes, there are the few clients where the money is the motivating

factor. But, fortunately, I am able to find something pleasant

on which to focus with most of my clients. It may be their

personality, their tight ass or the great head they're giving me.

 

I do know escorts for whom money is THE motivating factor. They

bitch and moan about this client or that one. Hell, that's why

I quit retail management, I was tired of hearing myself complain.

Now I'm doing something that is rewarding on many levels.

 

I'm 38 years old now and I am looking forward to easing into

retirement. I'm also excited about my next career in counseling.

I know I will miss escorting, but I'll always have the wonderful memories and I'm sure their will be clients with whom I'll always

maintain some sort of relationship.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[BuckyXTC]

Wow! Somehow I managed to miss this topic, and started one of my own, which hasn't elicited much response. Thanks, Boston Guy for raising issues that have given me a lot to think about. My experience with escorts is very limited, and my frequency of hiring since I started will not be a pace I can afford to keep up. I'm sure some of the novelty will wear off before long and I'll become one who hires occasionally, in the area of once a month or so.

 

I've been generally moved and pleased by most of the posts in this thread, particularly by the insights and sharing so freely given by folks here I'm becoming fond of knowing, albeit through this sometimes very sterile and deceptive Internet medium. Guess I was a bit taken back by WorldEscortSean's views about clients. In my short time of hiring escorts, I've been very fortunate. I consider both of the escorts I hired to be very nice human beings; I liked them not only for what they provided in the sexual realm, but what they shared of their personhood with me.

 

It takes a lot to get me riled, but frankly Sean, I think your attitude toward clients tells us a lot more about you and your problems than it says about clients. Some of the nicest, kindest, most trustworthy people I know lack what one would call physical beauty. And some of the most vapid, insensitive, vacuous creatures I have encountered have possessed stunning physical beauty. Somewhere in between these extremes is where most people find themselves. This much I will say about myself.....my own sense of morality dictates that I treat every human being as a person of worth. For me, escorts are more than just sex objects for my pleasure, they are human beings who provide a service that can go well beyond sexual gratification. As I said, I've been lucky in my escort selections, and I hope these escorts do well in their lives, find happiness, and prosper. I'm a couple of years shy of 50, and I'm clearly not deluded enough to think some young 22 year old escort is going to fall madly in love with me and beg me to take them in. On the other hand, I've experienced, warmth, passion, and compassion in my encounters with them. I feel I've always gotten more back than I gave, so I'm quite content with that.

 

Sean, I'm sorry that you see us as just ugly old perverts who have to pay for it. It makes me sad to see such a degree of cynicism in youth, because it doesn't bode well for the quality of human relationships you are likely to foster when you finally see that people are more than objects or, as you imply, money. I pray that over time, you'll see clients in a better light, because your current attitude toward them is ultimately more destructive to your personhood than it is to theirs. As a wise friend of mine likes to say, "Love people and use things".

BuckyXTC

[Guest topbear]

I've come late to this thread, as I only visit occasionally now, but wanted to contribute to this interesting debate (at least the one before Sean intervened to pour scorn on his potential client base: smart business practice, huh!). Basically, I've used the escort scene, here in my native London but also internationally (heck, I've even travelled for it, as far afield as Toronto on one occasion specifically to hook up with Blake Harper when he was in town there earlier this year appearing in a stage play, MAKING PORN), and with great and lasting affection; but I've lately gone 'cold turkey', specifically because I found myself at last in what I perceive will definitely be a long-term relationship.

 

My use of escorts was never a replacement for relationships -- nor purely for sex -- but to meet a combination of needs. But I have realised that in order to deal with the 'reality' of a relationship -- with a guy who is in fact really hot (and my definition of that is that he is someone I wouldn't have minded paying for in the past!!!!) -- I have to stop, at least for the moment, from indulging in the 'fantasy' that many of my escort assignations represented.

 

I do *miss* this past -- but instead of investing the money in seeing escorts, I'm investing far richer emotions in my boyfriend. I'm reserving the right for myself to see escorts again in the future -- I've rationalised to myself in the past that its less 'unfaithful' to see escorts than to meet guys on the scene, since it's based first on a financial transaction rather than a mutual physical one that something on the scene has to begin with -- but for now, I'm happy to simply keep the fantasy going remotely, via this site.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Who are you trying to kid? Oh that's right you're that Canadian who loves to brown nose :)PLEASE Matt you are SO fucking transparent! I can assure all of you that if Matt weren't recieving money from all you old farts he wouldn't give you the time of day! GET REAL MARY!