How not to make a sale with a prospective client

[augustman]

I have been encouraged by another poster whom I email on a regualr basis to put the following item up for discussion because of the unprofessional nature of the escorts comments.

 

I will pass on his name for the moment because I think sometimes we get too caught up in the name or looks of the client/escort rather than the material. I will say this the esocrt is a major muscle hunk in a midwest STATE that currently has no escort reviews on this site. I was immediately drawn to the guy as soon as his picture came up in my traveling area early last week. I contacted him regarding an overnight to my location. He would have to leave 10 AM one day and would land back home about 4 PM the next day. It works out to 25 hours at my location.

Esc "So you just want me for an over-nighter"

Me " Yes, so let me know what fee you would charge based upon the flight schedule and activity I laid out. Thanks"

Esc " Since cumming there and back is 36 hours,,,I could do this for 2,000,,,over-nighter i charge 1,500...I have referrals if you would like...If you should decide on these days i need to know as soon as possible so i can reserve the dates.."

Me "Thanks for taking the time to reply and consider my request. You must receive a lot of requests. You are certainly in great shape and sound like a nice guy I would like to meet. Sorry but the rate you quoted does exceed my budget. So I will have to pass. Good luck"

Esc "call me so i can reserve a date...i will work with you on the price"

Me " Thanks for the offer. I usually do not negotiate offers, I do not want offer something that you may regret later and than end up with a meeting less than satisfactory. I have no problem with your rate of $1,500 overnite because you feel you deserve it, but I can not afford that. Someone else has given me a rate of $800 for a trip in here in August and has a good review"

 

I thought this would be the end as it should have been but then a series of e-mails came my way.

Esc "You should have offered,,i also have reviews,,and noone can touch my looks,,,your loose not mine" There are no reviews here.

The next day

Esc" I just got booked to go to New Orleans,and i'm making 7,000 for 7 days.................you had your chance..now nothing is open,,you shouldn't be so cheep...woman charge 4,000 for weekends

Mr.Cheepy"

 

I did reply, I should not have but the "Mr. Cheepy" got to me. I sent a long e-mail which basically was very polite thanking him for his response and stating if would have settled for $1,000 than say so, I would have probably paid that. I reinterated he has every right to charge what he feels he is worth and I have the choice to decline. I politely finished with "I hope your trip to New Orleans goes well and given the amount offered I am sure you will have a great vacation."

 

To finish he actually responsed by saying "I'm not interested in getting into why I charge what i do,,you get what you pay formy prices are the same,and won't change 1,500 for an over--nighter/// 2,000 for 2 days,,and you pay everything,food,,anything we do..Thats why i only want wealthy men to contact me..You must not be in that range,,otherwise i would not have tobicker about my price"

 

Well all I can say is I was able to save money to put towards the next guy and keep hunting. But if any of you just booked a hunky escort from the upper midwest for New Orleans, good luck to you, you are going to need it. I suppose I am too sensative, but who was the one dying to make the deal.

[whipped guy]

Maturity, intelligence, and respectfulness go a long way in determining whom I hook up with… no matter how hunky or talented an individual may be…

[taylorky]

WHY in the hell do you guys put up with this shit???

 

he's a friggen ho,he depends on people like you for his food and shelter.

 

putting up with that kind of abuse is sick.

[JT Brooklyn]

August..We have all run across this Type of "Workin Guy" and always will from Time to Time. Quite a few of these Guys are "BI".. so Biz coming from the Guys & Girls gives them a "Different Perspective"..When they don't get the "Rate" some will Act the way this Guy did. But most "NO MONEY.. NO HONEY" and you will not hear from them again. Like you pointed Out, whoever is going to Spend more than a "Couple of Hours" for Big Bucks, Probably isn't getting their Monies Worth! Some "Workin Guys" are Only Good for a Couple of Hours, then they unfortunately "Run out of Magic". Many Guys in NYC will not do "Overnites" for that reason, because they realize it. :+

[Txpaytoplay]

Hey Auggie,

 

Don't sweat it. I am the same way, I am not going to bicker about pricing. But, I have learned that If I make an offer up front I let them decide to take it or not. If they do great, if not fine with me I move on. The reason I do this, is because I don't want to know if they have come down from what they would have asked. It makes me think that everything is ok with them....I include everything the the package I propose. So far I have only had two turn downs in the last 5 years. Best of Luck with you.

[Okliehomo]

Ok, let's start at the beginning. Is he from NYC? No. Is he from LA? or SF? Or Chicago? Or Ft Lauderdale? Or Atlanta? Or even Dallas? No, no, no, no and NO....but he still wants to charge MORE than some of the best in those cities charge. With no reviews....and he wants to be compensated like a woman. That does it for me, boys. And then, he berates the client and calls him cheep ( his spelling, not mine) and talks about it's his loss etc....totally low class and for my money, Auggie, you are very lucky that he showed his true colors in time. And I am willing to bet that nobody was dumb enough to pay this loser a $1000 a day for 7 days...I've seen his ad. Typical gay for pay asshole that thinks that the "gays" are so damn desperate and have such deep pockets that they are willing to pay crazy cash for a husler ass such as his.

 

Thanks for posting, Auggie. Really. I appreciate the warning. This is what this site should be about.

 

Okie

 

PS

 

Had a very hot overnite with Kristian/LA...and yes, he is all that he is reported to be..and THEN SOME. And he charges alot less than this pretentious asshole from N*******ka. Lord, I thought Oklahoma was bad..........

[BewareofNick]

Why would you even care about his opinion of you? He's a prostitute who sells his holes to whomever waves enough money at him. You can also bet, as evidenced by the behavior of two very prominent escorts on this board, that his being hired for $7,000 or $4,000 is a complete and utter fabrication. He was hoping you would come crawling back to him on bended knee. Don't give him the satisfaction.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Lindsey Lohan Report

 

>Why would you even care about his opinion of you? He's a

>prostitute who sells his holes to whomever waves enough money

>at him.

 

It never fails to amaze at the energy that some people spend, at every opportunity, irrespective of the topic, to denigrate, badmouth and generally paint with a broad brush everyone in a certain class or profession.

 

As anyone who has spent the time some of these men have spent on this board will tell you, there are asshole everywhere. The Lindsey Lohan fan club has them, D.C. comic book readers are among them, Southerners are included there as well, as are people who suffer from Tourette and speak vulgarity without though or preconception. These people are also potentially rude, abusive, will take advantage of you at every stage and, in all respects, are just not nice people.

 

But to say, much less imply, that all D.C. comic fans, or all Southerners, or all Lindey Lohan fan club members are asshole is just worst than hyperbole. It is even worse than unverified rumors and gossip. Simply put, it is just wrong, because it is unfair and, most obvious to most, untrue.

 

As for this client, unfortunately, you had one bad experience, which clearly sums up what many clients will repeatedly tell you (and post on this site); unreviewed escorts are always a hit or miss proposition. Obviously, someone has to hire them first to give them a good review, but hiring for an overnighter (as many clients have repeatedly said) without any prior knowledge and experience with the escort (and particularly with one without prior reviews on this site or recommendations from a fellow client who would provide an opinion you would respect and trust) is, at best, an iffy propostion of money well spent.

 

Fortunately, you learned this person's character before you invested any funds or too much energy and effort.

 

Good luck in your future hiring endevors.

[Guest mbarz]

I'd like to know who you're talking about, is he a regular poster on Muscleservice, if so, why don't you name him?

[augustman]

RE: The Lindsey Lohan Report

 

Franco you are right to a point regarding escorts with reviews, certainly investing in an overnight with an escort with no review on this site is a big risk. Fortunately I could not get past the money issue on this one. As to one event, I can say no it is not. Actually up to a few months ago I have had excellent luck in booking escorts. Recently I have been on a bad string of no shows, escort with health issues and couple of not quite connect situations. Fortunately not much money wasted which is definitely a good thing. Thanks to my experience and this message board I have learned to be very specific about what I am looking for in an escort and being specific to him what I expect.

 

Taylor you are right that we should not put up with this kind of stuff, however, short of the escort being physically dangerous or theft or extoritive, there is no reason to billergerant or name calling in the communications. I believe name calling just hightens the emotions and people start to say things they may regret later. I could point a few BN subject posts as examples of where name calling diverts the discussion away from the subject. When you see how professional some guys are like a Steven Kessler of Steven Draker in answering inquiries when guys like this come along it does take one aback.

 

I do see the gentleman in question has added San Diego and St. Louis to his post, if his time is filled why is he still changing his ad. Anyway thanks for the comments I have moved on to others

[JT Brooklyn]

Okliehomo..You Rock. Every once in awhile we run into this Type of "Workin Guy"..Who will just get Older, Less Hot and still be Dumb as Dirt, "BIZ" Wise with Clients. "7k for 7 Day"! Doubt it! Most well to do Clients, do not have it..because they "gave it away"..to begin with! LOL :+

[+ Oliver]

No, I wouldn’t put up with it!

 

BUT – (at the very definite risk of incurring your wrath) … your experience in hiring anyone is … ??? If you have some (experience, that is), then we have reason to profit from your advice(?).

[JT Brooklyn]

"OLLIE" Baby..Here we go! LOL :+

[taylorky]

>No, I wouldn’t put up with it!

>

>BUT – (at the very definite risk of incurring your

>wrath) … your experience in hiring anyone is … ??? If

>you have some (experience, that is), then we have reason to

>profit from your advice(?).

>

 

 

 

OMFG your post makes even "j" "t" "brooklyns" ramblings look intelligent or at least sober by comparison.

 

i have no experience in murder,theft,or rape....but i feel pretty confident in saying they are not good things to experience

 

it is really sad that some of you guys feel the need to be apologists for the people that abuse you.

[Guest mbarz]

ever hear of drawing conclusions from material you have read...it's called critical thinking...apparently, you have little experience with it.

[+ Lucky]

RE: How not to make a sale with a client

 

Were you expecting to pay him $800 for 25 hours with you, plus 11 more hours travel time on the house?

[Txpaytoplay]

RE: How not to make a sale with a client

 

>Were you expecting to pay him $800 for 25 hours with you,

>plus 11 more hours travel time on the house?

 

 

Ah, I have paid $750 for 24 hours and filled up the guys truck at about $60. His roundtrip travel was a little over 6 hours. So it is not totally unheard of.

[+ Lucky]

RE: How not to make a sale with a client

 

Did he have a big rig??

[BewareofNick]

RE: The Lindsey Lohan Report

 

>It never fails to amaze at the energy that some people spend,

>at every opportunity, irrespective of the topic, to denigrate,

>badmouth and generally paint with a broad brush everyone in a

>certain class or profession.

 

It never fails to amaze me how some people have the inability to comprehend even the simplest of posts. If you took offense at that, perhaps you need to look in the mirror a little more closely.

 

You would almost think that I was taking someone to task for engaging in questionable personal behavior outside their escorting.

[orlandoguy]

AMEN!!

[orlandoguy]

I agree wholeheartedly. Well said!!

[augustman]

RE: How not to make a sale with a client

 

Dear Lucky:

I was not expecting him to do anything. All I did was respond that $2,000 for the 10 hours I would be with him was not in my budget. Yes he would be here for 25 hours plus travel. He told me he was escorting only until Aug 1 to earn money for a vacation. My guess he calculated out how much money he needed to earn per hour to make his goal. And it was a risk for him to leave that many hours open. I have no problem with his reasons or what he wants to charge. What I had the problem with was his continued response after I explained I usually do not bargain with escort back and forth and the fact that I found an alternative escort to come for the same amount of time for less than half of what he wanted to charge. The escort in question has no reviews here whereas the person I am hiring does. That whole idea just seemed to incense him to no end. The fact that the escort does not want to give me his good price from the start is his problem not mine and will not prevent me from shoping around.

 

This goes completely counter to set up I was trying to do with escort out of chicago-Mark who I mentioned on recently another thread where after several e-mails and conversation, he noted my interest in kissing and immediately corrected my misconception, to state he does not kiss. I contacted him back to cancel the meeting because of this and not only did I receive a polite response but actually tried to help me find another escort that would fit the bill for me. That is what I consider professional in dealing with potential clients. I thought this is class and I am even considering hiring him anyway because he definitely believes in customer service which means a great deal to me.

 

Also I have extensive experience in hiring escorts. this month is my two year anniversary when I hired my first escort. I have 15 reviews posted here. The gentleman that will be coming here will be my sixth overnight visit. Given that I have already had Michael Brandon, Vincent Michael, Aaron Scott, Mark-Central Ill and several others at far less and have had to travel more miles than Nebraska to Wisconsin which is an eight hour ride by car. So again if the guy wants to charge for travel time that is his business and I respect that, I just think there is a better way of dealing with rejection than he did. But the law of supply and demand says I do not have to buy his services. Also I am not aure that guys who come into this with all the physical qualities, but are mot mentally prepared for the challenge this can be when you plan on only doing it for a few weeks, is going to give the kind of customer service that clients should expect.

[Txpaytoplay]

RE: How not to make a sale with a client

 

Well said Auggie,

Don't let the girls get you down.

[JT Brooklyn]

Ollie..Get ready.. The "Mutual Admiration Society" is about to have a Meeting! Watch it Society Members..The Last Guy on Site B.. Who took my Name in vain, is so Old he had to Retire from "Workin It".. Now he just sits around his Keyboard, trying to be Entertaining to the "Society Members" Sad Indeed..LOL :+

[VaHawk]

Your ramblings are SO INTELLIGENT! :7