When Your Escort Posts His Own Review

[jimmer]

Hey,

 

I sent in a review last February which I was reluctant to write. (All of my reviews have been positive except for this one.) It pointed out a number a positive points of an escort who was a no-show for an overnight.

 

I recently saw another reliew of the same dude that was obviously written by him. (Read it if you like and notice that someone who owns a condo in "Cape Cod" misspells "Cape Cod" twice in his review. He even states that he he felt "impelled" (not "compelled") to refute the previous review (mine).

 

I find this practice reprehensible, and I hope that other readers can see through it.

 

JImmer

[jimmer]

Hey,

 

I sent in a review last February which I was reluctant to write. (All of my reviews have been positive except for this one.) It pointed out a number a positive points of an escort who was a no-show for an overnight.

 

I recently saw another reliew of the same dude that was obviously written by him. (Read it if you like and notice that someone who owns a condo in "Cape Cod" misspells "Cape Cod" twice in his review. He even states that he he felt "impelled" (not "compelled") to refute the previous review (mine).

 

I find this practice reprehensible, and I hope that other readers can see through it.

 

JImmer

[Guest ncm2169]

< Read it if you like

 

I'd like to. Who is the escort? :*

[Guest ncm2169]

< Read it if you like

 

I'd like to. Who is the escort? :*

[HooBoy]

I appreciate Jimmer's continuing participation here.

 

I think, in fairness, it should be pointed out that the allegations Jimmer makes are speculation, not fact.

 

I have no evidence to support or refute Jimmer's claims and I have done all I can to determine which reviews are real and which are not.

 

If you want to point out a spelling error or a grammatical faux pas, fine. But to accuse an escort or anyone of lying without facts or proof is tantamount to doing exactly the same thing as you are accusing.

 

Our slogan, Honest In Our Judgements and Truthful in OUR Reporting was not only meant as a guideline for me, it was meant for every contributor and participant on this website.

 

I do not want this thread or any other to sink to the level of another recent one in which the writer actually published the name of an escort in a negative way with only his word as proof of the allegations. The escort was not given any opportunity to defend himself against the charges, that is not really the point.

 

One bright, sunny, Sunday morning, if your respected next door neighbor runs out of his house screaming into a bullhorn that YOU are a child molester, you will be guilty in the minds of your neighbors. Even when you are cleared, there will be some who consider you tainted.

 

We allow you to speak your mind here. Please be Honest and Fair when you do.

 

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

HooBoy

[HooBoy]

I appreciate Jimmer's continuing participation here.

 

I think, in fairness, it should be pointed out that the allegations Jimmer makes are speculation, not fact.

 

I have no evidence to support or refute Jimmer's claims and I have done all I can to determine which reviews are real and which are not.

 

If you want to point out a spelling error or a grammatical faux pas, fine. But to accuse an escort or anyone of lying without facts or proof is tantamount to doing exactly the same thing as you are accusing.

 

Our slogan, Honest In Our Judgements and Truthful in OUR Reporting was not only meant as a guideline for me, it was meant for every contributor and participant on this website.

 

I do not want this thread or any other to sink to the level of another recent one in which the writer actually published the name of an escort in a negative way with only his word as proof of the allegations. The escort was not given any opportunity to defend himself against the charges, that is not really the point.

 

One bright, sunny, Sunday morning, if your respected next door neighbor runs out of his house screaming into a bullhorn that YOU are a child molester, you will be guilty in the minds of your neighbors. Even when you are cleared, there will be some who consider you tainted.

 

We allow you to speak your mind here. Please be Honest and Fair when you do.

 

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

HooBoy

[Guest alanm]

I actually tried to find the review, but gave up after reading the last 4 or 5 days reviews. To be blunt, I could care less about the client and escort, just wanted to find out how the reviewer spelled Cape Cod. Note to the original poster, I grew up in Massachusetts and have been to Provincetown a number of time, but by putting quotes around Cape Cod even I had to look at a map for the proper spelling.

Yes, it is unlikely that someone who owns a condo on the Cape would get the spelling of Cod wrong, but not impossible.

[woodlawn]

>I do not want this thread or any other to sink to the level of

>another recent one in which the writer actually published the

>name of an escort in a negative way with only his word as

>proof of the allegations. The escort was not given any

>opportunity to defend himself against the charges, that is not

>really the point.

 

I think we are all aware that the thread you are talking about was started by guptasa1. He reported that an escort he hired barebacked him after he specifically denied permission for that. You say he has "only his word as proof of the allegations." What other proof could he have -- a videotape? If you are saying that a client who has an experience like that should not report it here because he has no proof other than his word, that means no one can ever report such an experience here. In fact, there is no proof for any of the negative reviews or comments made by clients about escorts here other than the word of the client in question. So why not simply ban all negative reviews and comments about escorts?

 

>One bright, sunny, Sunday morning, if your respected next door

>neighbor runs out of his house screaming into a bullhorn that

>YOU are a child molester, you will be guilty in the minds of

>your neighbors. Even when you are cleared, there will be some

>who consider you tainted.

 

And what if your neighbor actually saw you molesting a child? Should he keep his mouth shut because there is no proof other than his word?

[VaHawk]

>I think we are all aware that the thread you are talking about

>was started by guptasa1.

 

Was that the thread that was about the historical sparring match between Hysterical Hester and Histrionic Hattie?

 

>He reported that an escort he hired

>barebacked him after he specifically denied permission for

>that. You say he has "only his word as proof of the

>allegations." What other proof could he have -- a videotape?

>If you are saying that a client who has an experience like

>that should not report it here because he has no proof other

>than his word, that means no one can ever report such an

>experience here. In fact, there is no proof for any of the

>negative reviews or comments made by clients about escorts

>here other than the word of the client in question. So why

>not simply ban all negative reviews and comments about

>escorts?

 

I do believe, the point was that if the escort is going to be identified, as was done so in that thread, that the encounter should be handled via the review process. That process gives the escort a viable response mechanism, which is not possible in a response to a thread in the deli section, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is all the "witch howling" as evidence by what was posted in that very thread.

 

Post a review of the escort encounter, before coming to the deli forum and posting such defamatory accusations against an escort. Failure to follow the established procedures, does indeed reduce such actions to unverifiable, "he said" negative comments. Why is this simple procedure so difficult to understand?

 

HB, imo, cut the originator of that thread, one hell of a lot more latitude than he was warranted.

[guptasa1]

I'm only going to comment briefly in here, because it is off topic from the original thread, and I don't want two threads about this.

 

My initial purpose in the thread I started was to get advice about what happened. Not to point fingers or anything else, and I am going through the review process (though holding it until I am fully comfortable with what I want to say). However, some people did indeed ask who the person was and if he was an escort... I didn't know whether to post that or not, and quite frankly, I still don't know if I made the right decision by answering. It wasn't to be mean-spirited or anything else. I simply didn't know the best course of action to take, and I made a choice. I'm not a big fan of this either, and frankly, if I could go back knowing what I do now, I might make a different choice about that, but I can't.

 

I also made every effort (seen and unseen) to let the staff here know that if they find what I posted unfair or feel it shouldn't be included here, they can edit out any names indicated in that post. (I can't, or I gladly would after the recent round of comments). I've seen it done before, so I know objectionable content is sometimes edited out.

 

I am deeply sorry if I offended or hurt anyone, and I'm frankly doing the best I can with this. I never expected to be in this situation, and it's easier said than done knowing what the best course of action is sometimes. I do intend to go through the review process and try and write something fair to everyone involved, and I hope he does decide to comment on it and share his point of view.

[woodlawn]

RE: A Rare Contempt

 

>>I think we are all aware that the thread you are talking

>about

>>was started by guptasa1.

 

>Was that the thread that was about the historical sparring

>match between Hysterical Hester and Histrionic Hattie?

 

No, it was the thread in which Guptasa1 asked for advice about getting immediate medical treatment in a situation in which an escort barebacked him without his knowledge or consent. A person would have to have a rare contempt for other human beings to find that situation a joking matter. I certainly do not find it so.

 

 

>Post a review of the escort encounter, before coming to the

>deli forum and posting such defamatory accusations against an

>escort. Failure to follow the established procedures, does

>indeed reduce such actions to unverifiable, "he said" negative

>comments. Why is this simple procedure so difficult to

>understand?

 

Why is such an accusation any more "verifiable" because it is made in a review rather than in a post here? If it is in a review, the escort can reply and readers can decide which story they believe. If it is on the board, the escort can reply and readers can decide which story they believe. In neither case is it possible for anyone to verify the accusation. I can cite cases in which clients did post a review accusing an escort of outrageous behavior and even then HB continued to question the credibility of the allegations. So what does that leave?

[Boston Guy]

>I do believe, the point was that if the escort is going to be

>identified, as was done so in that thread, that the encounter

>should be handled via the review process. That process gives

>the escort a viable response mechanism, which is not possible

>in a response to a thread in the deli section, for a variety

>of reasons, not the least of which is all the "witch howling"

>as evidence by what was posted in that very thread.

>

>Post a review of the escort encounter, before coming to the

>deli forum and posting such defamatory accusations against an

>escort. Failure to follow the established procedures, does

>indeed reduce such actions to unverifiable, "he said" negative

>comments. Why is this simple procedure so difficult to

>understand?

>

 

What you are advocating is consistent with neither the history of this Message Center or its intent, to the best of my knowledge.

 

There have been many instances in the past in which an escort was discussed by name. Some of these references have been positive and some have been negative. Some of the ensuing discussions have gone on for a long time; those who've been around long enough will well remember references to kicking in stereo speakers.

 

Further, your assertion that posts in the Message Center do not provide the escorts in question with a viable response mechanism is not credible. Since the entire purpose of the Message Center is to foster the establishment of a dialog among interested adults, escorts are as free to respond as anyone else. If an escort's response is singled out unfairly for criticism, even-minded viewers will see that for what it is. But there is nothing stopping any escort from responding to any thread here other than personal choice. Essentially, each escort who is aware of this site needs to decide if posting here will end up being good or bad marketing for the services he is offering. We have seen plenty of instances of both in the past.

 

Finally, I have maintained from the beginning of M4M that the review process is fatally flawed. Despite the best efforts of HB -- and I do believe that he tries diligently to ensure that submitted reviews are legit -- the process is reasonably easily manipulated. And I've had escorts tell me the very same thing many, many times. Consequently, when I do read a review (which is not often and almost always after it has been mentioned in the Message Center), I view the information provided as being highly suspect, regardless of whether it is positive or negative. On the other hand, if an established poster posts something in the Message Center, and if that poster is someone I've come to generally accept as credible, I'll likely give far more credence to the post than I ever would give to a review.

 

I think that the recent post regarding the barebacking incident is an excellent example of how this site can provide information that is valuable and useful to people here. Had the escort not been named, the information would have been interesting but of virtually no value. Further, I think there's at least a chance that the young escort in question, having seen the hue and cry here, not to mention the universal condemnation of his actions, may be less likely to engage in similar behavior in the future. If so, both he and his clients are likely to benefit. But at least some of the value of the information wasn't contained in the original post; instead, it was developed as a result of the give-and-take throughout the thread. The poster started the thread as a request for information/assistance and ended up providing possible assitance to others, his recent recanting notwithstanding.

 

Providing the same information in a review would benefit those who only read the reviews and don't follow the Message Center. However, restricting it to simpy the review process would, in my opinion, greatly lessen the utility of the overall site.

 

BG

[woodlawn]

>Providing the same information in a review would benefit those

>who only read the reviews and don't follow the Message Center.

> However, restricting it to simpy the review process would, in

>my opinion, greatly lessen the utility of the overall site.

 

And let me add one further point to the excellent discussion by BG. It was mentioned in the original thread on this incident that the escort in question is now using a different name than the one under which he has been reviewed on this site. I don't know whether the name change was made for the purpose of avoiding his reviews or for some other purpose, but it ought to be obvious that name changes are a rather simple method of defeating the review process. It is only because the escort's name was mentioned on this board that someone who knows about his previous name was able to alert other posters to his identity.

[+ Lucky]

RE: When Your Escort Posts

 

One should be suspicious of name changes unless they are done according to the established regulations. Sometimes a pork chop is just a lamp chop in disguise!

[HotdadENYC]

Obviously written by him? How do you know? If you had a bad (or a good) experience, then we would appreciate hearing about it. It helps us all.

 

However, you should let this site moderate what is and isn't right.

 

Hooboy should, and I know already has, responded to your accusation and with good content. As far as bad postings go, I know that Hooboy has flagged and investigated previous allegations of improper postings and they are very visible, although they may not be in your area.

 

Perhaps I'm wrong, but let's use the review section to review the escorts, and await their response, if forthcoming, and lets use THIS forum to discuss those items which fall out of the realm of pure escort reviews.

[jimmer]

How do I know?

 

When you spend time with a person, you get to know his style of speaking, the way he communicates, and the way he writes.

 

Although I thought it best not to respond to this nonsense, I cannot let your question go unanswered.

 

If you listen to what a person says and how he says it for three years, then you can recognize his writing, his speech patterns, and, in fact, even his ideas.

 

The issue is not whether I am right, but whether the escort was wrong in writing his own review.

 

Jimmer