RED ALERT ON JEREMY OF DALLAS!!!

[DavidGartner]

Ok, I was looking around on escort websites etc and I come across a beautiful boy http://www.geocities.com/jeremymodel/ and I was thinking ( now dont laugh ) I was gonna hire him for the weekend of my birthday. He responded with a nice full length email. which is the obvious response email they send out... as the emails that followed it were quite uneducated, blasphemus and obviously meant to throw me off a course to figuring him out. Jeremy is with the agency cupcake boys.. or something and I saw a boy named JimBOBBY BRENNAN of Los angeles.. I saw him http://geocities.com/cupcakejim69 and I was like.. I dont think my friend moved away. so I quickly called him to confirm and he told me they had stolen his old pics. WHAT KIND of agency doesnt interview and confirm with the models. OBVIOUSLY A HUGE SCAM!!! they get ya to fly them away pre-paying and ya looose out at the airport it seems!! I will include email transcripts if anyone is interested in this thanks so much for listenin!

[+ glutes]

A Red Flag warning has gone out on Cupcake, thanks for the confirmation. The twink is awesome though...

(Can't wait to see you in SF...)

[HooBoy]

David, I would appreciate if

 

1. You send in reviews the regular way.

 

2. You do not send in fake reviews like you have done in the past.

[DavidGartner]

So the first email I write to him its basically jus saying that I had seen a boy on the agency and that he was a friend of mine and that those pics were stolen etc. and that if someone were to hire anyone off there.. how could they be assured that it was the real deal. his response is this

 

" You're a dumbass playing games. I doubt you have a friend (one you've actually seen anyway!).And the people I work for don't like people that play games. You should be really careful who you play games with - punks like you can get......."

[DavidGartner]

THE NEXT email was something like this.. after that last response I had written to him giving him links to Bobby, links to bobby and me knowing each other. basically proving that he was a fraud.. and I jus loved the return email so I thought id share

 

"I know Jim and peeps use different stage names in this biz you dumb bitch. That way they get more exposure and can advertise in different cities to get more clients. DUH!

Many agencies rep the SAME escort. It's all about biz dummy.

Now stop playing games. I am not buying them dumbass.

And a discussion on a board does not prove you know JIM. See you didn't know him. Damn leech trying to be someone by pretending you know them LMAO. I saw Brad Pitt on CNN last night.....doesn't mean I know him! ROFLMAO

ROFLMAO omg that's soooooo lame.

Fucking AIDS demented fag you need to get a life.

LMAO "

[marc anthony]

The usual MO for the scammers at cupcake:

 

1) The boy you like is very hot and associated with cupcake escort.

2) The email address is something like "sometwinkyboyname@hotmail.com"

3) The boy advertises in multiple cities

4) The pic is actually someone you know, have seen before, etc. The latest pic they are using is one of retired escort Bryan Young. The sad thing is that they also use pics of escorts and models still working.

5) They have a website with geocities that has pics and a link to cubcake.

6) The person responding to the email gets nasty if you haven't sent money by the second email or so.

 

I thought about this for a while, and quite frankly, I am not sure how you catch this guy. But if human beings don't, karma will.

[+ glutes]

>

>5) They have a website with geocities that has pics and a

>link to cubcake.

 

Cubcake, I love it! "He's not a twink, he's a cub"

Maybe this is the same guy who did the SF Twink scam...

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: HB Spanks David Gartner

 

Hmmm....how often does HB spank an escort in public? ;-) Must be a problem there. :*

 

In the meantime, David was saying something about his friend Bobby Brennan, with whom he "starred" in Taggers, a new vid, and about whom I inquired here a few days ago when I saw his (Bobby Brennan's) ad on m4rn.

 

Still no info on Bobby Brennan? :+

[HooBoy]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

<Hmmm....how often does HBO spank an escort in public? >

 

Only when I first started the site and exposed the rip offs and everything changed.

 

The posts I made to David were the hardest I have ever done.

 

He could be so great and I only wish him well, but first he has to come back here and fess up.

 

Otherwise, he's just a hustler, not an escort.

[woodlawn]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

My interest in David as an escort is minimal, but I am curious about why HB has singled him out for criticism. There are other escorts like Billy in Orlando, for example, who keep posting one obviously fake review after another with no action taken against them. Is it because David keeps showing up on this board to complain about the dishonesty of others but seems to think his own scams are exempt?

[VaHawk]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

I've met David, and yes, I had a good time with him, and I will leave it at that, as I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes. I didn't find anything sinister, dishonest or misleading in his representation of himself, as he was exactly what I expected him to be. I was satisfied and found his company very enjoyable.

 

Just because the messenger is shot, does not mean that the message is false!

[woodlawn]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

>I've met David, and yes, I had a good time with him, and I

>will leave it at that, as I'm not privy to what goes on behind

>the scenes. I didn't find anything sinister, dishonest or

>misleading in his representation of himself,

 

I wasn't referring to discrepancies between David's ad and his appearance, but to things David has said about himself on this message board which show a casual willingness to use deceit to get what he wants. That seems to me to contrast oddly with his penchant for complaining about deceitful behavior by others. I have not read his reviews, and I did not know prior to reading Hooboy's posts in this thread that in addition to the other things David has posted fake reviews here.

 

>Just because the messenger is shot, does not mean that the

>message is false!

 

Hooboy so seldom complains about or does anything about the many fake reviews posted here that I'm inclined to believe him when he does. Based on his record I would venture to say that an escort has to do something that is unquestionably lousy in order to attract any criticism from him.

[DavidGartner]

I wonder if these scams really work and if so how much money have they scammed out of people.. personally.. if things had have been handled better, and I never saw my friends pics on their.... would I be one of the victims.. LOL

[DavidGartner]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

><Hmmm....how often does HBO spank an escort in public? >

>

>Only when I first started the site and exposed the rip offs

>and everything changed.

>

>The posts I made to David were the hardest I have ever done.

>

>He could be so great and I only wish him well, but first he

>has to come back here and fess up.

>

>Otherwise, he's just a hustler, not an escort.

 

 

I will never be a great escort, at least not one that is praised on the message board. With comments like this? no no I will never be one of the best escorts but probably one of the most controversial escorts on m4m.

[VaHawk]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

>I wasn't referring to discrepancies between David's ad and his

>appearance, but to things David has said about himself on this

>message board which show a casual willingness to use deceit to

>get what he wants.

 

Nor, was I referring to his ad and his appearance. I was most definitely referring to his emails and his posts on this board. I still see no discrepancy between his posts here and what I expected from him and/or experienced with him. I don't know anything about false reviews (there are so many false reviews, for whatever reason, that I personally don't put a whole lot of stock into the reviews). I still see no out and out deceit by DG in my experiences. IMO, there has never been anything about DG's posts that would lead anyone to expect more than what he has posted, and the only ones who could feel deceived are those who can't read.

 

>Based on his record I would venture to say that

>an escort has to do something that is unquestionably lousy in

>order to attract any criticism from him.

 

Perhaps. I have heard otherwise, but then again, I'm not an escort, nor am I privy to the behind the scenes workings of this site, so I am not going to criticize either way.

[woodlawn]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

> I still see no discrepancy between his posts here and

>what I expected from him and/or experienced with him.

 

So what? So far as I can tell, no one in this thread -- except you -- has said anything about his appearance or about his actions during appointments with clients. I don't understand why you keep bringing that up, since it seems to have nothing to do with this discussion.

 

Gartner started this thread to complain about deceitful behavior by another escort. HB responded by noting that Gartner has posted false reviews -- the implication being that he's not in a good position to complain about dishonest advertising practices. If you've been satisfied in your interactions with Gartner that's fine, but it doesn't negate the point HB made.

 

> I don't

>know anything about false reviews (there are so many false

>reviews, for whatever reason, that I personally don't put a

>whole lot of stock into the reviews).

 

But according to HB, the vast majority of the people who visit this site come here for the reviews rather than for the message center.

 

>IMO, there has never been

>anything about DG's posts that would lead anyone to expect

>more than what he has posted, and the only ones who could feel

>deceived are those who can't read.

 

See above. If he has posted fake reviews then those who have read them have been deceived, isn't that so? They've been deceived into thinking he has more favorable reviews from actual clients than is actually the case. I believe that is the whole point of posting fake reviews, is it not?

 

Personally I've always felt that if one is going to do business with people who are involved in crime, it's a little unreasonable to expect that they will conduct themselves with honesty and integrity. The fact that so many who visit this board obviously DO have such an expectation is one of the reasons I continue to find this board so interesting.

[N.N.]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

> I don't

>know anything about false reviews (there are so many false

>reviews, for whatever reason, that I personally don't put a

>whole lot of stock into the reviews).

 

I thought one of David's reviews looked self-written, and I

said so here on the message center shortly after the review

appeared. Most people didn't seem to care.

 

If this were my site, I'd boot escorts who sent in phony reviews.

 

 

> I still see no out and

>out deceit by DG in my experiences. IMO, there has never been

>anything about DG's posts that would lead anyone to expect

>more than what he has posted, and the only ones who could feel

>deceived are those who can't read.

 

Cool, that you had a good time with David. I thought he left

something to be desired. He signs his postings "warmest regards

always" but he was more self-centered than warm when I saw him.

[HooBoy]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

As the site evolved I went from being hysterical about accusing people of faking reviews to just being hysterically amused.

 

It is so very obvious. I look at it this way -- if a guy promotes himself and he lives up over the years it holds up.

 

If a guy tries to ruin another escorts reputation (and remember I get IP addresses and all sorts of information), then it shows disrespect for you and me and dishonesty on the part of the escort.

 

Certainly the escort may be great in the sack on his good days, so some I do not take down because they are harmless. The real pro's and the reviewers with track records shine through and that is the beauty of it all.

 

I'm not going to go through a "you faked, no I didn't" argument with some first-time reviewer. That is the reason the handles are so important. Over the years credibility has been built.

 

And I thank you for your participation. You would be amazed at the "reviews" that never see the light of day. The reasons are listed in the MESSAGE CENTER. The link is at the top of the website.

__

 

The above written as the owner of a website.)

__

 

--garbo the hoo

[HooBoy]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

I just want to add that some of these guys are not dangerous to you but unstable and I do not want to responsible for pushing them over the edge and I hope you keep that in mind, too.

__

 

The above written the owner of a website .)

__

 

--garbo the hoo

[Donnie]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

>The fact that so many who visit this

>board obviously DO have such an expectation is one of the

>reasons I continue to find this board so interesting.

 

Gee it's too bad the feeling ain't mutual, Woodie.

[woodlawn]

RE: HB Spanks David Gardner

 

>>The fact that so many who visit this

>>board obviously DO have such an expectation is one of the

>>reasons I continue to find this board so interesting.

>

>Gee it's too bad the feeling ain't mutual, Woodie.

 

Donnie, why tell such obvious lies? The frequency with which my posts elicit responses and are cited in the posts of others, whether in agreement or disagreement, both flatters me and relieves me of any concern that my interest is not returned. Even someone like you should be able to figure that out.

[DavidGartner]

RE: HB Spanks David Gartner

 

I think this has gone way out of proportion. I should post an essay that is getting published and just go out with a blast in this escorting thingy. I admit to writing my own review .. review #3 . Thats IT!! I think MAYBE hooboy is mistaking writing reviews.. yea Ive written reviews to NEWBEE escorts that I wanted to get some business to as when you get your first review is when you get alot of business.. but its reviews for others not for myself!

[LovesYng]

RE: HB Spanks David Gartner

 

>I think this has gone way out of proportion. I should post

>an essay that is getting published and just go out with a

>blast in this escorting thingy. I admit to writing my own

>review .. review #3 . Thats IT!! I think MAYBE hooboy is

>mistaking writing reviews.. yea Ive written reviews to NEWBEE

>escorts that I wanted to get some business to as when you get

>your first review is when you get alot of business.. but its

>reviews for others not for myself!

 

I took my lumps from the message board guys when I fucked up and bad mouth some escorts for personal reasons and I did deserve the new asshole that I got, I just kept quiet and stopped fueling the fire. Just grow up and take your lumps like a man and stop digging your grave and stop fueling the thread.

 

When in doubt I whip it out

[OneFinger]

RE: HB Spanks David Gartner

 

>...I admit to writing my own review .. review #3 . Thats IT!! I think MAYBE hooboy is mistaking writing reviews.. yea Ive written reviews to NEWBEE escorts that I wanted to get some business to...

 

Hey David,

 

Things aren't adding up. You admit to writing review #3 for yourself and other reviews for "newbee escorts" to help their business.

 

Your review #3 was written by N.N. who had submitted 5 other reviews!!! The first review written by N.N was a negative review of Tony Donovan in November 1999. How in the hell did you think a negative review would help Tony get some business?

 

The second N.N. review was for Peter in SF. Again, you emphasized negative points when you said, "The only complaint I could make is that he was a little flaky in some of my first contacts with him. He said he'd send a picture by email but didn't, and he wasn't available on a day when he'd said he would be." How does that review help a newbee?

 

The third N.N. review was of Jeremy Matthews/Josh Spiers. Again it was a negative review where you stated, "But when I saw him, he wasn't particularly enthusiastic and didn't get more than a little bit hard, not even when he tried jacking himself. I asked whether there was a problem with me or the scene I'd asked for (me blowing him), and he said no, he just didn't get hard sometimes."

 

The fourth N.N. review was for Mark77 and seems to be genuinely positive review. Makes me wonder how much you were paid for the review or if you took out your reward in trade.

 

The fifth N.N. review was for Chris Allen and was a negative review. (Is anyone else seeing a pattern here?) You stated, "All I know for sure is, he was not available at the time of our appointment. He may be a fine escort if you can get to see him, but in my experience he was unprofessional with regard to communication and reliability."

 

You've got to be nuts if you think these fake reviews are "helping" to get business to other escorts. I think you're trying to get rid of your competition.

 

I almost hired you a few months ago and I'm damn glad I didn't. It looks to me like you're a nut case in serious need of help. I suspect that HooBoy is showing a lot of restraint. I suspect he knows a lot more about you than he's telling. x(

 

And then there is N.N. reply to your own message (#16 of this thread). Boy, sounds like you speaking out of both sides of your mouth or at least with both of your two faces.

[N.N.]

RE: HB Spanks David Gartner

 

OneFinger: whoa, I'm not David.

 

David got the number wrong of the review he's admitting to have written.