Bare-backing Escort Encounters

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Aren't you the guy who was bragging to all the world about

>your recent barebacking in your diary not so long ago?

 

No, I'm the guy who admitted it to "all the world" (I wish) so that clients could make an informed decision about whether or not they felt comfortable hiring me. Some chose not to. I opened myself up to criticism over the decision and posted some of the criticisms in my diary. It was not with a stranger, by the way, and we had both just been tested and come out negative. You could certainly make the case that I didn't know the guy well enough, however, and I have since said, that it was a mistake and one I won't repeat. None of that negates the point I made above, and I have never suggested that anyone but yours truly bore responsibility for my dumb choice. I am lucky to still be negative (while it was "not so long ago" it was long enough ago for the incubation period to have passed). I'm not proud of having barebacked on that occasion, but I am glad I didn't pretend that it never happened.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>just ask Rick Munroe, who has repeatedly told us that he finds

>married men "fucking hot."

 

Actually, I usually say fuckin' instead of "fucking." "Fucking" is a bit crude, whereas fuckin' is light and easy (like me). But I'm glad you spelled my name right.

[giovoni]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>You are the one who is being unfair. Your previous comments

>and those of your pal in Denver veritably ooze contempt for

>someone who, if we are being given a truthful account, is

>guilty of nothing other than trusting an escort. We should

>all be angry at his stupidity, isn't that what your friend

>said? Am I making that up?

>

I certainly don't hold contempt for the person who is being mentioned in the thread. I don't even know who he is, who the escort is or when this happened. I also don't believe that I'm oozing anything although that's something that people who hire escorts should also look out for.

>

>On the subject of reviews, I refer you to KY TOP, a client who

>recently attempted to alert the board about an escort who

>penetrated him and did so bareback, both without his

>permission. If you have a chat with him, you will learn that

>there are some major obstacles in the way of anyone who tried

>to do what you suggest.

>

I'm aware of that thread.. I didn't hear any accusations from anyone that hooboy didn't allow a review of that situation either. Had that happened in the first place that entire brouhaha could also have been avoided.

 

 

>If you have aroused any enmity it is due to the insensitivity

>of your remarks about an innocent person and about many of the

>people who visit this site.

>

 

If an escort really did this he's a jerk. No one is defending him or being insensitive to the plight of 'someones friend who told me this story' All we and not just TJ and I are saying is if someone fucks you check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again check for a condom. . . . . .

 

If someone does this to you at least write a review or name names so we can have a proper lynching here.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[giovoni]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

I would have thought that your partner would be more

>knowledgeable about those things given that he has been a

>member here quite a bit longer than you, but I'm left to guess

>that he either hasn't paid attention, doesn't care, or the

>issue is hitting too close to home for him (very possibly as a

>victim of this kind of activity, in which case I can at least

>understand some of his, and your, anger).

 

Of course I've been paying attention. I can't believe you think that this story serves any purpose to anyone here except to MAYBE make clients distrust EVERY escort more. If someone really must bring this up, doesn't want to involve the police, can't bring himself to write a review, and won't give you the other clients information about who is doing this then stop seeing the dastardly escort and don't mention it to anyone else.

>

>This point isn't the only thing that you appear clueless

>about, but many of us are very closeted, and, as a result,

>many are not very experienced in being with men or with

>hiring, such as the client that was involved in the event

>being discussed.

 

No one has to have hired escorts before to know what they need to do to be safe. You should always check to make sure your partner is safe and throw out partners who wish not to be. As for hitting too close to home of course it hits close to home. TJ being an escort that is often asked to be a bottom is ALWAYS insisting on clients using condoms. He only has this chance because he is always checking, and there are constant parades of clients that think they can slip in without a condom if they are sly enough. Pointing out that people need to always take responsibility for themselves and check all the time isn't being insensitive, and indeed when no names, dates or plans for a review are mentioned it's the only thing that CAN be said in this instance.

 

 

>If it happened to me (whether I was able to stop the guy or

>not), I'd like to think that I'd publish all the details

>(including the guy's name) in the MC as well as posting a

>review. However, to be honest, I'm not sure I would since the

>escorts I see often know a lot about me by the time we're

>through, and I'd be concerned about the escort using that

>information to severely disrupt my life in retribution for

>being identified. Yes, that's extremely selfish, but it's

>also honest.>

 

That's great that you're being honest and I can understand the delima that you would face. However if you did decide to forgo the writing of messages or a review would you write a thread that basically said 'watch out everyone, someone barebacked me'

 

>In any case, you two Denver guys don't have to worry about

>ever accidentally agreeing to meet with me. Your posts will

>keep me away on my own.

 

That's great after making some pretty nice points that I could honestly debate with you you pull the threatening our business card, implying that if we stupid insensitive escorts don't shut our mouths and stop adding our opinions to these debates you clients will stop hiring us. If you really want people who will never disagree with you, who will just throw their legs up or yours depending on what you want I'm sure lots of escorts go out of their way to keep anything to themselves that they are afraid you don't agree with. In my case though my most treasured clients are those who will debate any subject with me and still have a GREAT time with me in bed even if we eventually decide that we aren't going to agree on something.

 

BTW, it's Francisco "Franco", not

>"Franko" -- an understandable mistake as you've probably never

>heard of him except on Saturday Night Live re-runs.

 

Actually it was just a typo, something I'm prone to making when I type fast. Although since I did go to an American public school you're correct it was the SNL program that made me want to find out just who Franco WAS.

 

>Ok, now that I've opened myself up to more attacks, I'll go

>for now.

 

You really don't think that healthy, sometimes a bit heated debates on these sorts of subjects are 'attacks' do you?

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[woodlawn]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>I certainly don't hold contempt for the person who is being

>mentioned in the thread.

 

Sorry, I had a notion that contempt is what you were trying to express when you referred to people who haven't had even one sex education class. How silly of me.

 

>I'm aware of that thread.. I didn't hear any accusations from

>anyone that hooboy didn't allow a review of that situation

>either. Had that happened in the first place that entire

>brouhaha could also have been avoided.

 

I did hear such accusations.

 

>All we and not just TJ and I are saying is

>if someone fucks you check for a condom, if he pulls out then

>fucks you again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks

>you again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you

>again check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again

>check for a condom, if he pulls out then fucks you again check

>for a condom. . . . . .

 

What you are describing sounds a little like the behavior of the character Jack Nicholson played in "As Good As It Gets." I don't know how you can reconcile this with the idea that a session with an escort is supposed to be enjoyable for the client; it sounds about as enjoyable as handling plutonium.

 

>If someone does this to you at least write a review or name

>names so we can have a proper lynching here.

 

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that such a review would have any serious negative consequences for the escort. Look at all the efforts BewareofNick has made to discredit his namesake, and the guy still seems to be in business. The point is not to harm the escort but to help clients.

[woodlawn]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>Actually, I usually say fuckin' instead of "fucking."

>"Fucking" is a bit crude, whereas fuckin' is light and

>easy (like me).

 

So dropping the "g" from the word somehow makes your married clients feel better about what they're doing?

 

But I'm glad you spelled my name right.

 

Since it isn't really your name, does that matter?

 

[giovoni]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>Sorry, I had a notion that contempt is what you were trying to

>express when you referred to people who haven't had even one

>sex education class. How silly of me.

 

You're not silly, just mistaken. I think anyone who lives now knows about AIDS, HIV and condoms that's all I was saying

 

>I did hear such accusations.

 

So Hooboy rejected a review that said basically, X escort forced his penis into me after I said no?

 

>

>What you are describing sounds a little like the behavior of

>the character Jack Nicholson played in "As Good As It Gets."

>I don't know how you can reconcile this with the idea that a

>session with an escort is supposed to be enjoyable for the

>client; it sounds about as enjoyable as handling plutonium.

>

 

Sir if you don't treat a stranger's penis as if you ARE handling plutonium you get into messes like the anonymous friend that this thread was started for. Having caution doesn't diminish the incredible pleasure of sex, though recklessness can destroy the pleasures of the other 95% of a persons life.

 

>I don't think anyone is under the illusion that such a review

>would have any serious negative consequences for the escort.

 

This is consistent with your positions that seem to suggest that people can't think and protect themselves. Come on.. if a review was written and it turned out that the escort couldn't adaquately explain what happened you better believe his business would fall especially from people who use this site.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[TightBodyTouch]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

I've been out sun-bathing... what did I miss? Oh right, more of the same.

 

 

Uncle Bill,

 

I wouldn't really say I'm clueless, I've been reading ridiculous posts here a lot longer than I have cared to respond to them. My partner and I share and differ on as many levels as the rest of you here and though he "keeps me informed" when something credible is said he trusts that I can form my own opinion. Just happens that half the time we're able to agree to disagree, a compromise that many of you here aren't able or willing to do. I didn't miss the point completely, I don't agree with it. Conversely, you missed my point as well. I also didn't say that learning about gay sex from a site like this is a misuse of the forum, I just hope it isn't the only exposure for those men.

 

As for me personally, you don't really think that most of my clients aren't also married, do you? And you don't really imagine that I live in some fantasy world as well, right? I didn't make any assumptions about how men should find out about gay sex or how they should handle their interaction, I simply gave you an opinion that you don't have to agree with. You seem to think I don't understand that it would be uncomfortable for people like you to learn about sex among men and how to go about exploring it. Poor you. Who ever promised you rights and comforts as a closeted individual? And what was it you said about living in the real world?

 

I hold myself responsible for every action I make and I embrace the consequence be it my own good fortune or my own certain doom. You admit that you aren't willing to face the scrutiny and exposure involved with an escort experience gone awry. I just believe that if you aren't prepared to lose then don't gamble. I don't "assume" that you agree with that... and I don't care if you don't.

 

By the way, I've been reading this message center long than you know. I've just been too busy being hired by the men who don't read it. Incidentally, they learned how to have sex from some other source, I guess.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

TJ,

 

I love your ass }(

 

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/tightbodytouch/img8.jpg

 

How about another without the shadows. They add a nice air of erotic mystery but I like to know whodunit too. :+

[woodlawn]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>You're not silly, just mistaken. I think anyone who lives now

>knows about AIDS, HIV and condoms that's all I was saying

 

Not quite all. You're also saying that communicating to the other person your concern with safety and getting his agreement is not enough -- people should know that they also have to physically check his penis before each and every penetration to make sure he isn't trying to trick them. Right?

 

>So Hooboy rejected a review that said basically, X escort

>forced his penis into me after I said no?

 

I've heard differing accounts. In one that I heard there was a concerted effort made to persuade the client not to amend his existing review of the escort. There is no dispute about the fact that the thread the client created to warn people was deleted from the board. Why?

 

>Sir if you don't treat a stranger's penis as if you ARE

>handling plutonium you get into messes like the anonymous

>friend that this thread was started for. Having caution

>doesn't diminish the incredible pleasure of sex,

 

I don't think "caution" is an adequate way of describing the procedure you are suggesting -- it sounds more like the guy who runs back into the house five times before leaving to make sure he really turned the faucet off. There is a degree of suspicion involved that seems to me incompatible with having a good time.

 

>This is consistent with your positions that seem to suggest

>that people can't think and protect themselves. Come on.. if

>a review was written and it turned out that the escort

>couldn't adaquately explain what happened you better believe

>his business would fall especially from people who use this

>site.

 

I recently saw one popular escort who posts here state that most of his clients have never heard of this site. And even among those who have, the effect of bad reviews seems highly questionable. Did you not see the recent thread on Anthony Holloway? There are several reviews on him stating quite clearly that he stole money from clients. And yet he is still in business. If reviews like that are not enough to curtail an escort's business, what would be?

[giovoni]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>Not quite all. You're also saying that communicating to the

>other person your concern with safety and getting his

>agreement is not enough -- people should know that they also

>have to physically check his penis before each and every

>penetration to make sure he isn't trying to trick them.

>Right?

 

Exactly...

 

>I've heard differing accounts. In one that I heard there was

>a concerted effort made to persuade the client not to amend

>his existing review of the escort. There is no dispute about

>the fact that the thread the client created to warn people was

>deleted from the board. Why?

 

Maybe it took up too much space on the board like we're probably in danger of doing lol. Seriously I do remember the thread and I don't know why it was deleted. I still don't see a direct acusation that Hooboy tried to conceal the truth in a review.

 

>

>I don't think "caution" is an adequate way of describing the

>procedure you are suggesting -- it sounds more like the guy

>who runs back into the house five times before leaving to make

>sure he really turned the faucet off. There is a degree of

>suspicion involved that seems to me incompatible with having a

>good time.

 

This isn't suspicion and it only takes half a second to check. And your analogy about the faucet is flawed, you don't necessarily need to check 5 times for every insertion though I've seen that happen before and it didn't bother me and it certainly didn't stop the moans and encouragement from the bottom who was doing the checking on me.

 

>I recently saw one popular escort who posts here state that

>most of his clients have never heard of this site. And even

>among those who have, the effect of bad reviews seems highly

>questionable. Did you not see the recent thread on Anthony

>Holloway? There are several reviews on him stating quite

>clearly that he stole money from clients. And yet he is still

>in business. If reviews like that are not enough to curtail

>an escort's business, what would be?

 

That doesn't change the fact that reviews would be seen and taken seriously by more people then who read and take seriously this message board. He's obviously getting business from people who don't read this site and his reviews.. or from very careless or cavalier people who do.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fanny Mae is still dead

 

It is kiind of a nice picture!

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fanny Mae is still dead

 

It is kind of a nice picture!

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fanny Mae is still dead

 

Well, iit iis!

[woodlawn]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>people should know that they also

>>have to physically check his penis before each and every

>>penetration to make sure he isn't trying to trick them.

>>Right?

 

>Exactly...

 

So when you eat at a restaurant do you go into the kitchen after you order to make sure the staff isn't spitting on your food before they bring it to you? More to the point, if you thought that a particular restaurant required that level of caution wouldn't you simply refrain from going there? I think most people would. And I think the same applies here. If you believe there's a real possibility that an escort will try to trick you into a dangerous situation, why hire him?

 

>Maybe it took up too much space on the board like we're

>probably in danger of doing lol. Seriously I do remember the

>thread and I don't know why it was deleted.

 

Can you think of any reason that is consistent with this website's stated mission of providing clients with information about escorts? Try it.

 

>I still don't see

>a direct acusation that Hooboy tried to conceal the truth in a

>review.

 

Take a look at the second thread started by KY TOP on the subject.

 

 

>This isn't suspicion

 

But that is not what you said above. You said people should check to make sure the escort isn't trying to trick them. If that isn't suspicion, what is?

 

 

> And your analogy about the faucet is flawed, you don't

>necessarily need to check 5 times for every insertion though

>I've seen that happen before and it didn't bother me and it

>certainly didn't stop the moans and encouragement from the

>bottom who was doing the checking on me.

 

No doubt there are people who get off on the idea that they're having sex with someone who is such a louse that he might actually bareback them without their knowledge. What about the rest of us?

 

>There are several reviews on him stating quite

>>clearly that he stole money from clients. And yet he is

>still

>>in business. If reviews like that are not enough to curtail

>>an escort's business, what would be?

 

>That doesn't change the fact that reviews would be seen and

>taken seriously by more people then who read and take

>seriously this message board. He's obviously getting business

>from people who don't read this site and his reviews.. or from

>very careless or cavalier people who do.

 

Which supports my point that a negative review -- or in Anthony's case, a whole bunch of them -- doesn't necessarily have any negative effect on an escort. That's why it's so absurd for you to describe this as a "lynching."

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: Very Helpful Comments

 

I continue to be impressed with the posts in this thread. I really never expected this level of discourse. It's very encouraging.

 

More importantly, I chatted online briefly today with the client. He is following this discussion and I know he's very grateful to those who've expressed support for clients (or anyone) in his situation. He is still focused on dealing with his immediate personal priorities, but I'm sure that as he heals both physically and emotionally, he will carefully evaluate his options vis-a-vis the escort.

 

In the meantime, the escort in question will also read this, if he hasn't already. One hopes he is doing a fair amount of squirming right about now. If he has a conscience, he is. If he has any character, he might even consider coming forward and 'fessing up.

 

Let's see what develops. :o

[giovoni]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>So when you eat at a restaurant do you go into the kitchen

>after you order to make sure the staff isn't spitting on your

>food before they bring it to you?

 

If there was ever a disease that could be passed from the patrons of the restaurant back into the kitchen and then back to other patrons and was for all intents and purposes 100% fatal, a procedure would have to be developed which sterilized the food in restaurants in front of the patrons before they ate their food. It would have to be done in front of every patron and with every course so that people could be sure. I don't think people in this country would demand anything less, do you?

 

More to the point, if you

>thought that a particular restaurant required that level of

>caution wouldn't you simply refrain from going there? I think

>most people would. And I think the same applies here. If you

>believe there's a real possibility that an escort will try to

>trick you into a dangerous situation, why hire him?

 

Of course I wouldn't, and since no names HAVE been mentioned then people MUST at all times CHECK in the manner that has been described. And since we can all agree that this UNNAMED escort is probably not the only one engaging in these kind of shenanigans the same cation must apply.

 

>

>Can you think of any reason that is consistent with this

>website's stated mission of providing clients with information

>about escorts? Try it.

>

Yes I can if he had already wrote a review and then wanted to change it. If I remember correctly what happened that is the reason the change wasn't accepted. I also recall that KY and the escort he had the problem with were indeed able to come to some sort of understanding about the situation.

 

>But that is not what you said above. You said people should

>check to make sure the escort isn't trying to trick them. If

>that isn't suspicion, what is?

 

Suspicioun would be when you have evidence that the escort is going to wrong you in some way. The absence of suspicion never in my opinion negates the need for caution which is what I've been lobbying for all along.

 

>No doubt there are people who get off on the idea that they're

>having sex with someone who is such a louse that he might

>actually bareback them without their knowledge. What about

>the rest of us?

 

None of my clients think that I'm the kind of person who would attempt to bareback them. Those that DO get off on barebacking or on the fantasy of being raped are gently turned away. I'm not sure why you're so resistant to checking for a condom every time you're getting fucked. In most cases bottoms put their hands around their ass to aid in insertion anyway or during the course of the encounter tickle the top's balls. It only takes a slight finger wave in one of these positions to find the roll of the condom. Making this sort of gesture right before somone puts his dick in doesn't have to be suspicious or even obvious to the top, it can feel like you're either helping him in, rubbing his dick one last time before feeling it, stroking his balls or whatever. Bottoms who do this aren't being suspicious and it doesnt' mean they think a top is slime, they are just using good common sense.

 

>Which supports my point that a negative review -- or in

>Anthony's case, a whole bunch of them -- doesn't necessarily

>have any negative effect on an escort. That's why it's so

>absurd for you to describe this as a "lynching."

>

Please the word lynching was an intentional hyperbole and you know it. By everything you and everyone else has said about the audience here an original, verified, unedited review would reach far more people then an annonymous post like this. If this site is going to help clients you as a client should demand nothing less. If you have to demand it be made possible by Hooboy changing some behavior he's doing now, which i doubt, then you need to do that as well.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[giovoni]

RE: Very Helpful Comments

 

>I continue to be impressed with the posts in this thread. I

>really never expected this level of discourse. It's very

>encouraging.

Thanks NCM I was hoping you didn't mind the little debate WL and I were in. Being out of school for a month I miss the little debates I get to have while I'm in and WL is smart, dissagrees with me, and hasn't made any personal attacks.. what more could I ask. It's FUN and it makes me think.

 

>More importantly, I chatted online briefly today with the

>client. He is following this discussion and I know he's very

>grateful to those who've expressed support for clients (or

>anyone) in his situation. He is still focused on dealing with

>his immediate personal priorities, but I'm sure that as he

>heals both physically and emotionally, he will carefully

>evaluate his options vis-a-vis the escort.

 

I hope he doesn't misinterpret peoples encouragement to him and others to use subsequent caution as insensitivity or callousness on our parts as some other people here have.

 

>In the meantime, the escort in question will also read this,

>if he hasn't already. One hopes he is doing a fair amount of

>squirming right about now. If he has a conscience, he is. If

>he has any character, he might even consider coming forward

>and 'fessing up.

 

Hear hear

 

 

Incidentally, has he proposed to the escort that they both be tested for HIV together immediately (at a local annonymous testing site of course)? Are they even in the same city? At least that way the results could give him some piece of mind either way. If a similar situation happened with me (like a condom breaking during an appt which thankfully has never happened) I would offer nothing less.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[woodlawn]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

>If there was ever a disease that could be passed from the

>patrons of the restaurant back into the kitchen and then back

>to other patrons and was for all intents and purposes 100%

>fatal,

 

So you don't mind the staff spitting on your food so long as they don't pass along a deadly disease?

 

>If

>you

>>believe there's a real possibility that an escort will try

>to

>>trick you into a dangerous situation, why hire him?

 

>Of course I wouldn't, and since no names HAVE been mentioned

>then people MUST at all times CHECK in the manner that has

>been described. And since we can all agree that this UNNAMED

>escort is probably not the only one engaging in these kind of

>shenanigans the same cation must apply.

 

Please don't include me when you say "we can all agree." I have often been accused of having a low opinion of escorts by others on this board, and in truth I do not have a high opinion of escorts as a group. But anyone who thinks that we should automatically suspect every escort of wanting to trick us into a situation in which we could become infected with HIV has a much lower opinion of escorts than I do. MUCH lower.

 

>>Can you think of any reason that is consistent with this

>>website's stated mission of providing clients with

>information

>>about escorts? Try it.

 

>Yes I can if he had already wrote a review and then wanted to

>change it. If I remember correctly what happened that is the

>reason the change wasn't accepted. I also recall that KY and

>the escort he had the problem with were indeed able to come to

>some sort of understanding about the situation.

 

Neither of those reasons is consistent with a goal of giving clients the maximum amount of information about escorts. You'll have to try again.

 

 

>Suspicioun would be when you have evidence that the escort is

>going to wrong you in some way.

 

 

That is not how my dictionary defines "suspicion." Suspicion does not require any particular quantum of evidence. Look it up yourself.

 

>I'm not sure why you're so resistant to checking for a

>condom every time you're getting fucked.

 

It's not a situation that ever has or ever will arise for me. What I resist is the attitude that you're naive or foolish if you don't routinely act out of suspicion that an escort is going to trick you into barebacking. I think prostitution is a sleazy business indeed, but I've never gone as far as that.

 

 

>Please the word lynching was an intentional hyperbole and you

>know it.

 

You're in no position to tell me what I know, and in no position to complain if people take what you write seriously. If you don't want them to take it seriously, don't write it.

 

>By everything you and everyone else has said about

>the audience here an original, verified, unedited review would

>reach far more people then an annonymous post like this.

>If

>this site is going to help clients you as a client should

>demand nothing less.

 

First, I think I've already presented powerful evidence that negative reviews may accomplish very little. You've come up with nothing to refute that, you simply keep repeating the contrary.

 

Second, I am just one of several regulars who have pointed out recently -- Uncle Bill did so in this very thread -- that in any dispute between a client and a popular escort, the management can be expected to put its thumb on the scale in the escort's favor. If there ever was a time when this site followed the maxim, "We report, you decide," that time ended long ago.

[giovoni]

RE: Francisco Franko is still dead

 

Well I think we're at a point where we're both just going to sound like kids at a playground repeating the same things over and over, that is if we don't already. I doubt that either one of us has anything new to say to the other and though I'd love to respond to everthing you've said in this latest post I'm sure you'd want to respond to everthing I would say in this post and so on.

 

Thanks for all the things you've said earlier today and though I still don't agree with your opinions I do understand how an informed, intelligent and good man could arrive at them.

 

Thaks again and I'm sure our 'paths' will cross again soon.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[woodlawn]

RE: Very Helpful Comments

 

>If he has a conscience, he is. If

>he has any character, he might even consider coming forward

>and 'fessing up.

 

Both BG and I have been acting on the assumption that revealing the escort's name here would serve to warn at least some potential clients to stay away from him. As I reflect on what happened with the escort who violated KY TOP, I have to wonder if that assumption is valid. That sorry episode shows that some people here are so wrapped up in their fantasies about escorts that they won't take such accusations seriously even when the escort admits culpability. Perhaps they deserve what happens to them.

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: Very Helpful Comments

 

Woodlawn, I couldn't agree more on all counts.

 

Since we're past our "unless you're a complete idiot" stage, may I say that I enjoy your posts in large part because (a) you're obviously bright and very articulate, and (b) I appreciate your skills at repartee without getting personal. In my book, there's hardly a greater compliment. :o

 

As to the "disclosure," read between the lines. I'm trying to simultaneously move this toward that end, while being necessarily (IMHO) circumspect.

 

Let's let the client in question handle it. If it had been me, I'd take my time to reflect on the situation, which is what he's doing.

 

Meanwhile, my saved-emailbox now contains messages from 6 other clients who claim they've been in similar situations, but haven't reported it here for various reasons. Frankly, I'm much more interested in the management "rules" here. Methinks a slight imbalance has maybe become a major tilt. x(

[Boston Guy]

RE: Very Helpful Comments

 

Well, perhaps.

 

But how will we ever know if the clients in question don't post what happened to them?

 

It's completely unfair to accuse HB of bias on the basis of what he might do in certain circumstances. There have been more than a few occasions where I found myself impressed by his willingness to let conversations take their course where other Webmasters would have stepped in and shut the thread down.

 

People who refuse to participate really have no right to criticize, do they?

 

BG

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: Very Helpful Comments

 

BG: your words here (in another thread) one week ago:

 

< from the beginning of M4M, I have consistently expressed many concerns about the very nature of the review process and the problems that I believe are intrinsic to it. Consequently, I generally do not participate in it and try to contribute in other ways. >

 

Notwithstanding those words, I appreciate your remarks in this thread and others. As I noted earlier in this thread, I thought your analysis of power situations was outstanding.

 

But, please don't lecture me about participation.

 

As for the "rules" here, I'll let others make their own judgments, as obviously many already have. I'm simply an observer in that regard, and I was just musing above.

 

Fortunately, I've never had an escort dispute, and I hope I never will.

 

Unfortunately, if I ever do have one, I'll have to do a lot of thinking before I decide how to make it known.

 

(But, I WILL find a way ;-) ).

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Fanny Mae is still dead

 

>Well, iit iis!

 

Yes, it is!!! It is erotic and sexy and artisitic and .... HOT!!!! and classy too. That is why I posted it. :9 Lucky, when you' right, you're right.