The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can you tell me?

[marc anthony]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can you tell me?

 

Then Marc

>Anthony's friend hired him and stated quite categorically

>that Cory did NOT look like his pic.

 

Actually my friend enjoyed his time with Cory Sport very much, and thought that he was very handsome.

 

I am not endorsing Cory or any other member of the group. Just wanted to set the record straight and leave only facts on the table. I think there are plenty enough facts out there to let each person make his own educated decision as to whether or not to hire any of these guys.

 

For me, Cory is not my type, so I will not hire him. And the others who are my type... well, I am not hiring them either. At this point, I think everyone just need make up their own mind.

[Guest Kenny021]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can yo...

 

> Then Marc

>>Anthony's friend hired him and stated quite categorically

>>that Cory did NOT look like his pic.

>

>Actually my friend enjoyed his time with Cory Sport very much,

>and thought that he was very handsome.

>

>I am not endorsing Cory or any other member of the group.

>Just wanted to set the record straight and leave only facts on

>the table. I think there are plenty enough facts out there to

>let each person make his own educated decision as to whether

>or not to hire any of these guys.

>

>For me, Cory is not my type, so I will not hire him. And the

>others who are my type... well, I am not hiring them either.

>At this point, I think everyone just need make up their own

>mind.

 

Well, I am sitting on a jury and deciding if there is or is not a SCAM (word used in title of this topic) involving one or several escorts in San Francisco.

Allegations that several advertisements for "twink" escorts in the SF Bay area are suspiciously similar in that contact info, descriptions, names etc lead you to suspect that there really is only ONE escort who is employing different names to elicit business. It is further alleged that he (they) are represented by a sleaze named Danny Damon, who got into some trouble some time ago. Further allegations that when someone requested the services on one escort, his response was that he wasn't available but that he had a friend who was similar to him and that the "client" was referred to him for a response. Somehow, the prospective client suspected that this was an automated response. Someone else who hired Ricky Teen (one of these scam escorts) was convinced that this was a scam because Ricky had green teeth, braces, wrinkled pants and told him he was a graduate student trying to earn some money to pay for his studies.

It further appears that allegations were made that Cory Sport is involved in this scam because someone stated that "Cory did not look like his pics" and suspiciously, recent photos of Cory then appeared in his ads.

 

Evidence: All the above allegations indeed appear to be just that: allegations or suspicions. Someone even said that they are suspicious because of the "names" they use. Well, does he mean names like Ricky Teen, etc. are more suspicious than say, Fuckamarine, HotBuns, Glutes, Luv2suck, etc. etc. etc? Does having "green teeth", wrinkled pants and hustling to pay for school mean you're in a scam? Is being represented by a "shady" character if indeed this is the case mean you're in a scam? If your inability to be available for a requested appointment and referring to another escort mean you're in a scam? (it's not like this is being done without the knowledge of the client...who could just say no). Have any of you ever contacted an escort agency such as Campus, requested a particular escort and told he wasn't available BUT THAT ANOTHER ESCORT, SIMILAR TO THE ONE REQUESTED WAS AVAILABLE? Do you consider this to be a scam by Campus Escorts? As for the Cory Sport incident that Marc Anthony's friend felt scammed because Cory wasn't who he purported to be, Marc's quote above refutes that allegation and appears to show that his friend enjoyed Cory's company. Marc isn't hiring them because they are not his type and not because he thinks they are scammers. He said that there are enough facts for everyone to make up his own mind. I beg to differe with you...WHERE ARE THE FACTS....many allegations but NO FACTS.

Deej, while agreeing with the premise put forth by someone here that there doesn't appear to be any evidence of any scam, states that "where there's somke there's fire". I strongly suspect that all of the above posters indeed feel that there is some shady goings on here by a person (or persons) who appear to be represented by a sleazebag and therefore, as Marc so clearly states above, will avoid hiring any of them. Gee, isn't it wonderful to be able to make vague, unsupported allegations of scams and ruin someone's source of income. Anyone reading this thread will very likely never hire these guys because of fear that they will be scammed (you know, where there's smoke, there's fire).

Gentlemen, I say to you that UNLESS MORE SPECIFIC PROOF IS PRESENTED TO SHOW THAT A "SCAM" IS INDEED PRESENT HERE, THE DEFENDANTS ARE FOUND NOT GUILTY.

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE AND THEN I MAY CHANGE MY MIND but until you do, these "scam artists" are found "not guilty".

How about writing reviews of all these scammers to show HOW YOU WERE SCAMMED. Sorry but green teeth doesn't cut it for me.

[marc anthony]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can yo...

 

>>

>>For me, Cory is not my type, so I will not hire him. And

>the

>>others who are my type... well, I am not hiring them either.

>

>>At this point, I think everyone just need make up their own

>>mind.

 

Marc isn't hiring them

>because they are not his type and not because he thinks they

>are scammers. He said that there are enough facts for everyone

>to make up his own mind. I beg to differe with you...WHERE

>ARE THE FACTS....many allegations but NO FACTS.

 

I never said they are scammers. In fact, I said I have no personal knowledge that they are malicious. I did say that I tried repeatedly to hire a couple of the ones who were my type, and it turned out to be far too much work to be worth the effort. I also know that some of them have changed screen names at least 3 times. Some have the same screen names and different pics. Some have different screen names and the same pics. As I said, I have concluded I will no longer try to hire them. I have hired VERY many wonderful escorts with no problems, and just feel that there is no need to waste so much time and take such a big chance with this group. If you feel they are "not guilty", then as I have said before, you can make up your own mind, and by all means try to hire them.

 

Good luck.

[BewareofNick]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can yo...

 

Please wipe the foam off your mouth, Kenny dear. It's very unbecoming.

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/dannydamonsf.html

 

Arranged to see Danny on November 18, 2001 in San Francisco. When he showed up, he immediately asked to be paid, and then asked to use the bathroom. When he was done, we talked awhile, and the phone rang. Danny claimed it was a friend of his waiting downstairs who was calling to check on him, and that if he didn't call him back within five minutes, his friend would go to the police and say that he was in a compromising position with a client. He claimed he couldn't reach his friend on the phone, and he had to go back downstairs and tell him that he was okay before he took off for the police. Danny never returned, and an eyewitness outside the hotel said that Danny got picked up by two guys in a car and headed for what, he believed, was a nearby bar. I later called Danny and left a message on his voice mail telling him that if he did not return the money by morning, I would report him to the police. He later called back and claimed that he was only 17, and that if I tol!

d the police what happened, he would falsely accuse me of molesting him. I am not going to tell you how I plan on handling this matter, but I would like to here from anyone else who has had a similar experience.

 

and another:

 

what a waste. i asked about the comments that had been made on m4mescort review, he said they were totally fabricated. i should had believed what i read. asked for money up front, spent 15 min. in the toilet before entering my bedoom. sex was all my job. The 'sex' lasted 20 min. then he took a shower afterward, another 15 min. for 160.00 (with no tip) he spent 1/2 hour in bathroom, 20 min with me. when i asked him about sex, he said it was just a job, he should get a day job. he is probably a nice guy, but sex for sale is not his thing.

 

and #3

 

An act of intimacy like sex, whether paid for or not, is obviously a matter of personal chemistry, so before I get specific about what did or didn't happen between Danny and me, let me deal with the objective 'facts' first.

 

 

1) Danny's appearance is a bit different to that shown on his website. To be honest, his pics caused me a little concern, as he looked like possible jailbait, but I was prepared to accept that he might simply look a lot younger than his stated 19 years -- and took the precaution in my first e-mail of checking he was of legal age, and not a law enforcement officer (to which he replied that he has as little to do with the police as possible!). I was, however, right to be worried -- not because he *looked* too young in the pics, but because he probably *was* too young in them! They seemed to me a little out-of-date.

2) He now has a rather pudgy, untoned body -- some might call it puppy fat, perhaps, but its there nonetheless.

3) Far from the "extremely well endowed" reference on his site, and the 9" that previous reviewers have referred to on THIS site, which he confirmed the supposed 'truth' of, he offered far less. Though I don't carry a ruler, I have a well-honed mental one, and this was no more than 7", if that, and of barely average thickness.

4) Though he apparently kisses, its the closed-mouth variety only -- hardly what I'd call kissing.

5) He doesn't get rimmed, either!

6) Unlike a previous reviewer here who thought that Danny was new to this, he told me he's actually been at it for about 3 1/2 years!

7) He turned up with a 'minder' -- a friend waited outside in a car, who he rang from his cellphone the moment he stepped into my room -- obviously safety is an issue for escorts, I realise, but this unsettled me and it might unsettle you, too, so you should be aware that this is his practice.

8) He has a rather camp demeanor.

 

Now onto the specifics:

Although an unforseen difficulty prevented Danny from honoring our originally agreed appointment -- "a huge personal crisis", he called it -- he kept me informed by e-mail and 2 voicemails on my hotel answerphone, and was appropriately apologetic and professional. We finally managed to re-schedule for later the same day.

 

He arrived 15 minutes late for this appointment, without apology, and barely 15 minutes later, I was $150 down and he was out of the door, to re-join his waiting friend in the car outside

(see (7) above).

 

So what went wrong? From Danny's point of view, probably nothing -- he got me off, after all -- and quickly (obviously!), so *something* must have been right, right? But a transaction has to be more intimate, interesting, intensive and inventive than this if you're going to pay for it (and even if you're not)!

 

Kissing, except with his mouth closed, was out of bounds; so, bizarrely, was me rimming him. So I agreed to keep it oral, and blew him -- but he lay there looking pained and disinterested. So I swapped over, and he returned the favor, but clearly determined to get it over with as quickly as possible. Done, he leapt up, rushed to the bathroom and spat in the basin (tho' I didn't come in his mouth), hurriedly dressed and departed.

 

I like escorts to enjoy what they're doing and take their time. Danny didn't on either score. I think I'll stick to men, not boys, in the future.

[Guest Kenny021]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can yo...

 

"Please wipe the foam off your mouth, Kenny dear. It's very

unbecoming."

 

Kent sweetheart: Perhaps you ought to check your facts and READ the post you are commenting about before shooting off your mouth. Of course, like your OTHER writings, that's never stopped you from just plain making up stories.

 

Oh, just in case you don't get it....I was not commenting on Danny Damon (gee, don't you just love that name)...what is it really: Kent,Nick,Damon, or PETER?

[BewareofNick]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? What can yo...

 

First of all, idiot boy, I did read your post.

 

1. You wanted to know where the reviews were, so I posted the DIRECT LINK and the actual text from their reviews.

 

2. Secondly, had YOU bothered to read, I never stated AT ANY TIME that marc's friend was dissatisifed with Cory Sport. I simply stated that Cory did not look like his initial picture and that after Marc's friend pointed that out in his review (which you already know if you had bothered to readit) all of the sudden REAL pictures of the REAL Cory Sport magically appeared. Get with the program.

 

3. Hooboy himself posted about Danny Damon's altercations with the law.

 

4. Your ignorance is showing if you are trying to imply or get others to believe that I am *HE WHO IS NOT TO BE NAMED* tm. Hooboy, deej and any of the other long time posters here will tell you that I am not HIM. That fact that you could even entertain the notion that I am seriously undescores the fact that you are a babbling idiot.

[Guest Kenny021]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? Wha...

 

"Your ignorance is showing if you are trying to imply or

get others to believe that I am *HE WHO IS NOT TO BE NAMED*

tm. Hooboy, deej and any of the other long time posters here

will tell you that I am not HIM. That fact that you could

even entertain the notion that I am seriously undescores the

fact that you are a babbling idiot"

 

Well, I guess I am absolved of ignorance as I am not TRYING to imply anything other than what YOU and perhaps a few others (including Hooboy and Deej)already know. Why would you come to such a conclusion simply by my naming you Kent, Damon, Nick, or PETER?

Now, if I had used the names Margo Power, Bruce Ulvila, Norton Drake,Skeet Mastermark and HUNDREDS of others, you would have had reason to know who I was talking about but reall now, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING.

Oh, if I am wrong, then explain who Peter is?

[+ glutes]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? Wha...

 

Well we are not a jury Kenny021, we are the Message Board.

I did an initial post after reading the above mentioned reviews, and then meeting DannyDamon. Instant creeps (besides the green teeth et al) forced me to investigate a little more with the above mentioned escorts. Too many similarities for this cynic, and apparently I have alot of company.

The point of the posts were to caution the rest of you!! We are a niche community here, we should not only post the rave reviews - but give the heads-up to other 'boarders' of potential problem 'areas'.

And who is PETER????????

[BewareofNick]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ???? Wha...

 

I didn't honestly think that anyone could TRULY be this dense, but I guess as with other things in life, there always has to be one.

 

Who is Nick?

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/nickatl.html

 

Who is Peter?

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/peterorlando.html

 

In actually, they are both one and the same. Nick posed under several hundred different AOL identities, including Peter when he lived in Orlando.

 

So what was the point you were trying to make, Kenny?

 

Who is Kenny?

 

(HooBoy makes a rare appearance to edit a vicious, unnecessary personal attack. Attack the issues, not the people, please.)

[Guest Kenny021]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ...

 

"So what was the point you were trying to make, Kenny?"

 

Well, Nick, Peter, and all the "hundreds" of other names you acknowledge using, the point I was making is in my previous post...which you avoided answering: "Why would

you come to such a conclusion simply by my naming you Kent,

Damon, Nick, or PETER?"...the "conclusion" being that you accuse me of accusing you of being "*HE WHO IS NOT TO BE NAMED*".

 

Your "reviews" of Nick and Peter are hardly something which one

should be proud of, especially your responses to them. It appears that you had issues with HooBoy about posting them and your picture.

Obviously many others appear to have issues with you as well. It is immaterial to me who you claim to be.I am interested in who you claim NOT TO BE. However, you still appear to avoid my question about how you concluded that I was referring to Mr. X (whoever he is). Why don't you tell us who this "He who is not to be named" is since you obviously know who he is and deny that you are him.

I still maintain that indeed you are HIM and your denial of this is rather amusing since it was impossible for you to know who "HIM" was unless you are HIM. Get it?

"I didn't honestly think that anyone could TRULY be this dense,

but I guess as with other things in life, there always has to

be one."

 

Is the above quote meant to be more degrading or less degrading than being called an "idiot".

[BewareofNick]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ...

 

Okay. I will try and take this slow.

 

I do not even understand how you got this far off track, but I'll try to explain it so that even you can understand it:

 

My name is Neal Summers.

 

I originally started posting on this board to warn clients of a shady escort named Nick. He is reviewed here. None of the reviews are from me.

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/nickatl.html

 

I have never ever posted here under any name BUT BewareofNick.

 

After Nick left the ATL, he moved to my old hometown, Orlando. Once there, he started scamming people under the name Peter.

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/peterorlando.html

 

I have an AOL screenname, BewareofNick and AOL e-mail, BewareofNick@aol.com . I was also going to have a bewareofnick@hotmail.com as secondary address, but that name was already registered, so I chose Bewareofpeter@hotmail.com

 

They are not names. They are warnings. Big difference.

 

As for why I assumed you were accusing me of being *HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED* (that was something that I believe deej came up with to refer to this gentleman without actually using his name) you called me Kent and Damon, aka *HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED*. Obviously, you confused my e-mail names and my forum name as names and not the warnings they are intended to be. Again, ask any long time poster here. Even Lucky

[Guest Kenny021]

RE: The "alleged" sca...

 

Gee, I wish I would have know that your name comes with a list of instructions. I guess that really makes me an idiot.

 

As for your insults to me and probably anyone who doesn't quite know YOUR HISTORY, your condesending comments speak for themselves and I won't dignify them by responding.

 

"Are you really as stupid as your posts are making you out to be?" which you so graciously sent to my private email says more about you than anything I could possibly say.

 

Hope you enjoy what appears to be quite a miserable life.

 

Please do not bother responding to this as I think I've had quite enough of your platitudes and will no longer respond to them.

[BewareofNick]

RE: The "alleged" sca...

 

So the moral of the story is: Don't comment on things when you have no clue as to what you are talking about

 

-or-

 

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

[+ deej]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ...

 

>As for why I assumed you were accusing me of being *HE WHO

>SHALL NOT BE NAMED* (that was something that I believe deej

>came up with to refer to this gentleman without actually using

>his name)

 

Actually, it came from another message board decimated by that jackass.

[BewareofNick]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ...

 

And here I was giving you credit for being clever

[+ glutes]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ...

 

Well maybe I just too suspicious, but I'm conecting the latest 'Chris' escort to this alledged SF'Twin' scam. Anyone care to comment???

[guyinsf]

RE: The "alleged" scam in SF ...

 

I don't think there has to be any "connection" in order to find various "escorts" suspicious. Some of the guys mentioned do seem to share a common link. Remember, however, that the Internet has always had a fair number of "fakers," people who seem to get off by pretending to be people they aren't. I would actually find it surprising if none of that occurred here. It certainly wouldn't be too difficult to (a) collect a few pictures of someone and (b) send reviews from a few different email addresses. I know that HooBoy tries to screen out fakes, but it isn't possible to do this with 100% accuracy. If someone is determined to play games then he can do so.

 

Some of the guys involved in what some are calling a "scam" appear to be real people who are escorting. They may be using misleading pictures or not doing a great job, but they aren't creating totally bogus identities. I have found other escorts who have worked under a number of different email addresses or "identities." While I've never quite understood why someone would do that, that in and of itself isn't a red flag to me.

[Guest WGTWMark610]

RE: The "alleged&q...

 

Well folks looks like the "scam" is back.

 

I was, er, researching stuff for my SF visit next weekend and saw an Ian Holmes in one of the SF m4m advertising parkinglot, er, chat rooms.

 

Interesting about Mr Holmes.

 

here's his website w/ pics...

 

http://hometown.aol.com/ianholmes/

 

the away message is on and we get this..

 

"Auto response from IanHolmes: I'm an escort and I charge $220 for an outcall all over the SF Bay Area. I'm versatile, primarily oral, friendly fun and affectionate. Give me a shout at 415-225-1996 or email me for a date. "

 

Here's his profile... ( before AOL pulls it)

 

"Name: Ian Holmes, 6' tall, 155 lbs, Brown Hair, Blue Eyes

Location: San Francisco

Sex: Male

Marital Status: Single

Occupation: ESCORT"

 

Highlight of the chat came when he said he felt like he looked like a cast member of Queer as Folk. I looked again at his pics and had to ask him which one.

 

Anyway, is it me or does it look like our little Danny Damon has grown up and got himself a leather jacket?

 

I just wanted to share w/ the rest of the class and get others thoughts as it looks like they're back at it again.

 

Oh, if someone recognizes the number, please advise.

 

Thanks

[paulsf]

RE: The "alleged&q...

 

same red sweater danny damon wore in his pictures

[IM_Moore]

RE: The "alleged&q...

 

it is the same guy who called himself danny damon and the same number for a group of sf escorts who are nothing but a scam. these are one guy who has some young looking friends who is ripping people off. remember onlyu a few people read this site compared to all the gay men on aol who willhave 200. lifted by these assholes. one of these days they are goona try to rip off the wrong person and find themselves very hurt.

[+ glutes]

RE: The "alleged&q...

 

Well it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out that this is no Ian Holmes! It is our sweet Danny Damon / Danny Young (TimmyPrep??) resurected. I wonder if he still has the braces/bad breath and brown polyester pants cambo still going.

At least ConYoko is coming up with more real names.

Thanks for staying alert out there Mark610 and others!!

[+ glutes]

RE: The "alleged&q...

 

And if it helps:

Ian Holmes is RyanKidd is BillyBoy (is Danny Damon / Danny Young)

Is there anyway can alert AOL parking lot folks about this???

[Guest WGTWMark610]

RE: The "alleged&a...

 

welp, you can "stooge" Danny/Timmy/Ryan/Ian<sybil?> off to AOL. Thats been the case as to how alot of the escorts been getting da boot. But that won't keep yoko yakov from reposting under another name. Id provide one here as a rib, but Im sure that it would get snagged and used.

 

Same red sweater? oy. Wonder if he still has the Charlie the Tuna shirt.

 

Seeing the Holmes name, I decided to be a sherlock and did some detective work. I went to "Ian's" page and then found "Danny/Ryan's" on here and put side to side on my screen. Pretty interesting result. If anyone has free time they might wants to crack out the photoshop for some before and after pictures. Hee.

 

Actually had the nerve to say he looks like Randy Harrison. Nice try.

 

Anyway, not a problem, I just wanted to give you nice folks the heads up and hope people on AOL aren't scammed.

 

Looking forward to next Friday..

 

WGTWMark610

[+ glutes]

RE: The &amp;amp;amp;quot;alleged&amp;a...

 

And 3 cheers for HooBoy for posting this 'marketing' in todays 'Newest Reviews'. Same fraud, different name. Think of what poor innocent MidWest 'HeyDude' has started here...

[IM_Moore]

RE: The &amp;amp;amp;quot;alleged&amp;a...

 

The more I look at the recent pics of Ian/Danny I think that Billy is his real life little bro. Check these pics out.

http://hometown.aol.com/billy18boy/