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[Trixie]

Ok... The post I made about escort pricing seems to have generated some comment...that's always nice. And to tell the truth, I half posted it just to play Devil's advocate... I knew I wasn't going to change the world. What I found most interesting is that ALL the replies I've seen so far that deal directly with my question have been from other "johns".

Nary a single escort bothered to justify his asking price. And all the johns said the same thing: "I agree that prices are getting a bit high, but...(place your excuse here.)

I think that the escorts should take a look and recognize the monetary sacrifice guys make just to spend time with them. Sure, we're gonna pay whatever amount you ask, just because we're just that lonely. Myself included. It doesn't matter whether we're a lawyer, a dot-commer or a janitor, it doesn't matter whether we're Married, in-a-relationship, or single, it doesn't matter what we look like. What matters is, we've agreed to pay more than what most doctors, lawyers and therapists charge for their "time". And not only do you take this money tax free, but you seem to think you deserve a "tip" as well. I'm just saying, it's time for a reality check.

Believe me, I don't expect anyone out there to agree with me. I suppose if I were well-hung and drop-dead handsome, I'd be capitalizing off of it too. So... no offense guys, more power to ya. I just won't be seeing ya all that much any more.

[Guest jeffOH]

Honestly, Trixie,it sounds like you're better off not hiring any more

escorts. Escorts aren't a necessity in life. Perhaps we should have some sort of federal aid for men who would like to hire escorts, but can't afford it. Kind of like sexual food stamps.;-)

 

It's not all that easy and it sure as hell is not glamorous. There's also a limited amount of time I can work as an escort, so why not make it worth my while.

 

The only "justification" for what I charge is that I've decided that my rates are adequate compensation for the services I provide based upon what I believe my time to be worth. Plus, the many clients that have decided that it was worth it to them.

 

JEFF

jeff4hire@aol.com

[Trixie]

Jeff4hire...

unless you charge less than $250, I just don't agree with you. I think you're taking advantage of people otherwise. And I'm quite proud to say that I am able to fend for myself, hire escorts on occasion, and travel abroad now and then without relying on food stamps or other assistance. Maybe you should try it and see how the other half lives.

[Guest tmbg]

I'm not sure what your full agenda is. I do agree that many have fees I am not willing to pay. Actually, I've even recently decided that 200. here in So. California is too high. Since then I have stayed within the 150. to 175. range. I don't care what any person says -in my mind that is a very fair price for the service offered. Apparently so do quite a few escorts who have been very able to perform fully at those rates :-)

 

Though as I posted in the other thread, if guys keep paying 200.+ per hour then the escort will continue to charge whatever the market will cover.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Nary a single escort bothered to justify his asking price.

 

Okay, I'll bite. Anyone familiar with my posts here and with my diary (there's a handy-dandy link at the bottom) knows that I have been on an informal campaign to justify my FUTURE asking price. Here's a nutshell edition of my arguments, plus a few new ones I've thought of:

 

1. When escorts raise their prices they are often, if not usually, managing demand. What happens is, they get overwhelmed with business at, say, the $150 level; due to their financial goals they want to keep the revenue coming in at that level but they'd be overextending themselves if they kept meeting that much demand. Raising the rates does one of two things: it slows the flow of calls, in which case problem solved, or it doesn't, in which case, well, the escort has to decide either to turn away more business (problem solved) or, what the hell, keep meeting the demand anyway (problem not exactly solved, but more money is a good thing -- an escort's future is highly uncertain).

 

2. Higher hourly rates, I suspect, have the effect of encouraging more overnight appointments and more extended visits involving travel, etc., which has a further "conserving" effect on the escort's sexual energy/shelf life. Someone who can pay $250+/hour is more likely to be in a position/habit of thinking "what the hell, let's go ahead and do it up all the way."

 

2a. One of my exceptionally generous clients told me that he almost passed me by because of my low rate; he does assume that to an extent you get what you pay for. (In the end, the twins won him over.)

 

3. Charging lower rates means, frankly, that you attract more people who are going to complain that even the low rate you're charging is too much. From the mailbag: "Dear Devon, I really think you are one of the hottest men ever and I can tell from your diary that you're so sensitive and thoughtful -- a rare gem of a man. How about $100? That way you can suck my cock more often."

 

4. Don't forget that many of us are subsidizing other lives via escorting. The artist/sex worker thing is very common in San Francisco, for example. Higher rates = fewer appointments (which a suprising amount of prep time goes into, from the email schmoozes to gettin' gussied up to travel time/getting the pad ready to entertain, washing towels and linens, etc.) = more time to create, backed by the means to pay for the supplies (and, dare I dream it, studio space someday?).

 

5. Or, we may doing it to deal with immediate financial needs, like debt, college, a move, etc. Could be a drug habit, too, but you'll probably be able to tell if that's the case. Whatever it is, it's usually expensive.

 

6. But if we're in it for the medium-to-long term, we've got to run it like a business and max the value out of it NOW. Being an ex-escort might make you a minor hit at parties for awhile, but it's not the basis for a career. What is a basis is if you were smart and made a lot of money and were legit about it and paid taxes so that you've got the capital to start your own business or at least live off your savings while you launch a new career, or sell the property you were able to buy. It's dawned on me that if I keep this up I could actually buy a loft space within the next couple of years. I never, ever thought I'd be able to buy property. I never made much money myself. Why should I postpone my dreams because somebody thinks luxury items should be cheaper?

 

7. No, there isn't a reliable correlation between price and value with escorts, and that's probably what irritates people the most. What the price reflects is that escort's relative scarcity and demand. It's no accident that "entertainer" is one of the euphemisms used to describe us. What you are getting is a private, very intimate performance uniquely tailored to your tastes (or whatever tickles your fancy. :* ) You might be able to get $40 theatre tickets, but your access to the performer is considerably more restricted -- you're allowed to regard him from aisle Q seat 37. To put it another way, you're getting a unique painting instead of a limited edition lithograph. Of COURSE it's expensive. It should be. And it's going to be more or less expensive relative to where the "artist" is in his career. In the art world it's much more egregious. A Rothko today is worth millions more than it was in the fifties or sixties when it was painted, even though in most cases the colors have faded. Those of us who weren't alive then have no concept of just how amazing or intense those colors were. At least with escorts you're paying more for them before their beauty fades, not after. Yes, you could quibble that in some cases "I hired him when he was $150 and sweet and now he's jaded at $300 and lazy in the sack," but if that's really true it won't be for long.

 

8) I hired a $300/hr escort recently and I absolutely thought it was worth it because he was presenting with me with something unique that I couldn't get anywhere else, not for free, not for $150, not for $299.99 and usually not even for $300. In this case, that something was his body. Dude makes Adonis look like a lard-ass. He was worth $300 for me, so I guess I'm one of those clients that's part of the problem. If you don't want to pay $300, I can totally get and respect that, but the good news is there's room for all of us. When you complain about rates, what you're really complaining about is that the escort isn't choosing to chase a particular market (yours). But surely that's his call. All you can really do is focus on the ones that are chasing your market.

 

>Sure, we're gonna pay whatever amount you ask, just

>because we're just that lonely.

 

Who's "we?" I didn't hire my escort because I was lonely. I would characterize only a small minority of my clients as lonely people. They pay what I ask because they think I offer a service with value.

 

>It doesn't matter whether we're a lawyer, a dot-commer or a

>janitor

 

It doesn't matter to the escort, but I thought you were saying it should matter. Wasn't part of your original complaint that you're galled that you don't make as much money as the people you're hiring (and/or that the disparity is too great)?

 

>What matters is, we've agreed to pay more than what

>most doctors, lawyers and therapists charge for their

>"time".

 

The operative word being "agreed."

 

>And not only do you take this money tax free, but

>you seem to think you deserve a "tip" as well.

 

Whoa, Trixie! I pay taxes, and I've never asked for a tip (though they are gratefully accepted when unexpectedly presented). At any rate I don't see what assumptions about whether somebody is paying their taxes has to do with what their rate structure should be. If a $300 escort doesn't pay up and he gets audited he's going to owe that much more in tax and penalties than if he was a $200 escort.

 

>So... no offense guys,

>more power to ya. I just won't be seeing ya all that much

>any more.

 

None taken, and I understand. We are in a luxury item business. I never hired an escort before I became one. I have turned away business from clients that I was concerned were literally spending money they didn't have to see me. Ironicially, this was when my rates were lower than they are now. I am always touched when guys save their pennies to hire me. I hope I give them an experience that makes them happy they made the sacrifice, not begrudge it.

 

Sorry to yammer on.

[Guest jeffOH]

>Jeff4hire...

>unless you charge less than $250, I just don't agree with

>you. I think you're taking advantage of people otherwise.

>And I'm quite proud to say that I am able to fend for

>myself, hire escorts on occasion, and travel abroad now and

>then without relying on food stamps or other assistance.

>Maybe you should try it and see how the other half lives.

 

I do charge less than $250 an hour. My rates are quite reasonable at

$120incall/$140outcall. I'm not taking advantage of anybody. These are adults who make a decision to hire me. The "sexual food stamps"

thing was a joke. At age 12, I started working at my father's gas station and worked 2 jobs while in college. After college, I worked

retail management for several years until I decided to enter the escorting profession. So, I'm not unfamiliar with "how the other half lives".

 

JEFF

jeff4hire@aol.com

[duke37]

I'm sure threads like this are the kind that escorts LOVE to read. I expect these kinds of discussions are the kind that make them shake their heads and wonder if they are in the right business.

 

For me I don't care what an escort charges. I want and need to know up front what his rates are but it doesn't make me decide to hire or not. What the rate tells me is how often I can hire him and what else do I have to give up to have him. If Rick Munroe charged a $1000 an hour I would pay it. I might only be able to pay it once every 3 years but when I want to hire Rick I want HIM. Thank God he doesn't charge that much.

 

For me the money involved is about ME not the guy I want to hire. Like everyone I have only so much money I can spend for what Jeff (Jeff4hire) quite accurately points out is not a necessity. So it's up to me to decide if that escort will give me the time I hope for when I can afford it. IN both money and time. If you don't have to travel to see some of the guys reviewed on this site consider yourself lucky. The travel costs are something else I have to figure in to my decision.

 

I wonder if I have a different view because I don't try and pick up a phone and hire someone on an evening I'm horny. Even with the guys on this site who live in my area, I don't have the instant access that some of you guys have in the big cities. For me I think about it, plan , try and research as much as I can and gain as much insight from the escort as possible. With that I can make my decisions. And frankly thats part of the fun for me.

 

Devon's point about luxury items are right on target. If you go out and buy a boat are you upset that some boat manufacturers make boats that are outside of your price range? You (the boat buyer) looked at what you could spend and made the best choice available. I'm going to Ireland this spring and I will probably spend more money on that trip than I would with a holidays weekend worth of the best escorts (Devon,JacobNO,Gabe,Matt,et.al.)but thats the best use of my entertainment budget for me. And there was a time not too long ago when my entertainment budget decisions consisted of what matinee movie to see this week. So I know what the other half goes through.

 

While I may be more willing to esperiment with someone not reviewed if its not a lot of money. I'm not going to let that be the deciding factor. I can still gather as much information as possible and reduce the amount of luck involved. Again its a question on priorities. More often than not I won't take a chance. But if the new escort in question piques my interest enough it can make it worth the chance and the expense.

 

The only area I might agree with Trixie is being uncomfortable around displays of wealth. I'm quite comfortable with an escort making more than me. My doctor makes more than I do as well. I have some nagging worries that I might be judged on how wealthy (not very) I am or how sophisticated (again not very) I am. But the best guys in the business have never made me feel that way. And I would probably not hire anyone who alludes to how "exclusive" his clientele is or what kind of fabulous lifestyle he is able to enjoy. God bless 'em for having those kinds of means, I just don't want to hear about it.:-) I have enough to be nervous over.

 

Oh yeah, just because I can't hire you NOW doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. I hope to get to ALL of you.

 

Jeff

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>If Rick Munroe charged a $1000 an hour I would pay it. I

>might only be able to pay it once every 3 years but when I

>want to hire Rick I want HIM.

 

Stop the construction! We're going to need to double the planned floor space for Mr. Munroe's ego. There's been an expansion. :+

 

Great points, Jeff. Anybody ever tell you you'd make a great talking head in a movie about hos and clients? :*

[Guest Kenny021]

". If Rick Munroe charged a $1000 an hour I would pay it"

 

Unfortunately, that is the attitude of many guys out there...no mater how much, they'll pay it.

For that reason, escorts' rates will keep going up and up and clients will continue to pay, pay, whatever the charge.

I will NOT pay what I consider outrageous fees. Michael Vincenzo was recently in my area and I really wanted to hire him. However, he charges $300 per hour and I don't believe ANYONE is worth it. I don't care if he is God's gift to men. I know that Michael is considered one of the very best escorts and I have previously hired him (in a moment of weakness) and yes, he was extremely likeable. However, it was one hour and afterwards I regretted having spent that much. I decided then and there not to ever pay that again TO ANYONE. Whether or not to pay high prices for escorts is something that each one has to decide for ourselves. Clients will continue to state why such prices our Too High, yet will pay it. Escorts will continue to justify those prices. The bottom line is, they choose to be an escort. They can whine and bitch about all the negatives involved in the job yet, they CHOOSE to escort. They don't want to sling hash at McDonalds or work at a desk in an office 5 days a week...ride the subway to work, etc. etc. If travel is involved, THEY TAKE A CAB.

 

This discussion can go on forever but again, the bottom line is what ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY. Each one of us must decide for ourselves.

The $250 per hour (now considered stardard in big cities) will soon go up to $300, then $350 and so on.

 

"If Rick Munroe charged a $1000 an hour I would pay it"

 

What else is there to say.

[Guest jeffOH]

>Escorts will continue to justify those

>prices. The bottom line is, they choose to be an escort.

>They can whine and bitch about all the negatives involved in

>the job yet, they CHOOSE to escort. They don't want to

>sling hash at McDonalds or work at a desk in an office 5

>days a week...ride the subway to work, etc. etc. If travel

>is involved, THEY TAKE A CAB.

 

Exactly, I chose this job over 10 years ago because I was sick of retail. Escorts are at risk much more often than clients due to simple numbers. I may see an average of let's say 30 clients a month. How many escorts does the average client hire a month. Considerably less than 30 I'm sure, so I may put myself at risk of disease, arrest or Jeffrey Dahmer types 30 times to a client's 4? or whatever. Believe me, I bitched and moaned much more when I was managing a clothing store.

 

>This discussion can go on forever but again, the bottom line

>is what ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY. Each one of us must decide

>for ourselves.

 

Yes, and it is the client's decision to hire. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to hire an escort that you think charges too much. I have hire numerous escorts over the years. Most charged reasonable rates and were worth it, but I did think a few overestimated their worth. I may have regretted hiring one or two, but I don't blame them for a decision I made.

 

>The $250 per hour (now considered stardard in big cities)

>will soon go up to $300, then $350 and so on.

 

It may or may not go up like that. Depends upon the economy and the marketplace. If enough people are willing to pay those amounts, then yes they will go up. Some escorts charge more because they want to work less and attract a supposedly better clientele. Or so they think.

 

JEFF

jeff4hire@aol.com

[duke37]

Kenny (I assume)

 

You have to read the whole paragraph to get my point. It's not WHAT I'M WILLING TO PAY. The point is what does it cost. A loaf of bread at the supermarket can be over $2. I suppose I could refuse to buy a loaf of bread that expensive. But I make the choice.

 

If escorts had to depend on clients willing to pay $1000 an hour once every 3 years I think this would not be a going concern for very long. Or do you suppose there is an endless supply of guys that interested in what is in fact a "luxury"?

 

I would think the marketplace will continue to provide guys willing to work at the price you are willing to pay. I would think the explosive growth of escorts suggests that there are niches that individual guys will feel comfortable doing business with. I would also think the growth would suppress prices. But as you noted thats not my first concern. I can't afford it every time I'm horny. So I better be smart and make sure I get what will make me happy when I CAN afford it.

 

Thanks for the response. Now put a cold compress on your head buddy it will be alright.

 

Oh yeah sorry guys for comparing you to a loaf of bread. You know what I mean

:-)

 

Jeff

[Guest Ant415]

It is quite easy, if you cannot afford something, don't buy it. Iw would like to buy a bottle of Belvedere Vodka, but it is a bit too pricey to fit into my weekly budget.

 

Because the quality of the "product" offered is highly subjective, and the industry is underground there are no set prices. The escort can set what he wants, usually based on others in the area. The market will correct rate over the long run. If someone charges $1000 per hour, it would not take too long for him to see no tricks coming over.

 

If I ask an escort what is rate is, and he were to reply $300, I would just politely decline. His right to charge that, just as is my right to accept or decline. There seems to be some "right of entitlement" in the marketplace.

[Bilbo]

Speaking about paying taxes, did y'all see the court decision in UK that evidently decided that escort agencies are liable for Value Added Tax because the specific services that they provide, as opposed to what their escorts might be providing, are legal?

[Bilbo]

A while ago on this site, we had to come to terms with peacefully accepting and celebrating the difference between the Roms and the Whams (the Romancers and the Whambamthankyoumanners). For the most part we have done that. Perhaps we now need to accept and celebrate the difference between, what shall we call them - Major ticket items and Blue collar specialists? Majors and Specials? (I'm not married to those terms, in case (and it's probably so) someone can come up with a more interesting, still not insulting alternative!)

[Guest luthrhegs]

Hi Trixie

 

I liked your posts on this topic. When i stumbled onto this site some years ago it amazed me then how much guys could make as escorts. My experience was (and still is mostly) limited pretty much to bi or straight fuckbuddies who always seemed to need party money. Or maybe asked for a little help because it allowed them to get it on with a guy and not seem gay i dont know. I still see guys i have known for years and we still have a great time for a fraction of what the escorts listed here get. But i have to admit i dont begrudge these guys the higher rates they charge - as my real estate agent said the last time i listed a house for sale "you can ASK whatever you want".

 

I do agree with you or whoever posted it that some guys may like to pay or tip more than the norm because it satisfies another need. I dont know you but when you said that you would pay the high prices because you are that lonely it seemed related to this. Its unsolicited advice i know but please dont hire out of loneliness. It doesnt work and just leads to more unhappiness.

 

This site has always been like a big candy store to me - and since i live in escort-lacking Indy ive spent most of my time window shopping. But its fun and i still can dream of the day when one of my faves posts that hes gonna visit my city. And i gotta admit that if that happened i wouldnt haggle over his rate.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

The interesting thing is that there seems no strong correlation between price and (presumed?) quality anymore. Used to be that the high priced spreads :-) had some claim to fame: porn resume, exceptional established reputation, whatever. Now many without portfolio seem to feel justified climbing up on the shelf with the high priced spread. Well, it's ok for them to climb as high as they can but if I were to reach up to that shelf, it would be only for the established reputation.

 

IMHO some of the best are still the most reasonable. And if you are up for an overnight some of these guys offer exceptional value. For starters take a look at several who post here.

 

The world is full of all kinds: some buy by price (how else do some really expensive restaurants get away with really serving mediocre food), others by quality and still others by affordability.

[Guest seraph250]

>And all the johns said the same thing: "I agree that prices

>are getting a bit high, but...(place your excuse here.)

 

That's not true. I responded to your thread yesterday and that is not what I said. I said that when an escort quotes a rate that is more than I want to pay I tell him what I want to pay and I often find he is willing to accept that.

 

 

>I think that the escorts should take a look and recognize

>the monetary sacrifice guys make just to spend time with

>them. Sure, we're gonna pay whatever amount you ask, just

>because we're just that lonely.

 

Please speak for yourself. As a businessman I care about the price of everything I buy whether it's an escort or a pack of chewing gum. I can't think of anything I need so badly that I would be willing to make what I thought was a bad deal in order to get it. Maybe medical treatment if I was ill, but certainly not a luxury item like a hooker. I can get along fine without them and if all of the ones I call seem overpriced to me I will just do that.

[Guest curious]

I also have watched the hourly rate of escorts shoot up, and I would argue that this site bears some responsibility (Well if XXXX charges $200 an hour, then I'll charge $300 an hour mentality) as it offers easy access to rates from all around the globe. Most of the responsibility needs to fall on the paying customers out there. Wake up guys- enough is enough. This situation is mirroring professional baseball players who kept whining about making a minnimum $100,000-- threatening strikes, work stoppages etc so now teams like Minnesota and Montreal are hanging on by a thread. Ticket prices have escalated so much that it takes a family of four (well heck about what an hour with an escort would cost) and forbid if one of the youngsters wanted a cola or a hotdog. My analogy here is that quite simply, because of the players salary demands (Alex Rodriguez worth $25 million???), I just don't enjoy watching baseball anymore and all we fans have to blame is ourselves for paying those ridiculous ticket prices. Its time we consumers take a stand and say enough is enough. I myself will no longer hire escorts that charge these outrageous fees.

 

I understand that some escorts feel that if I don't want to pay what the asking price is then don't hire an escort. But what I want to know is when did $150 and $175 an hour become chicken feed. Its not like I am expecting you to take $10 an hour. Come on guys.

 

And for all of the quality escorts out there who continue to keep your rates reasonable. Thank You, and I hope to meet some of you soon!

[Trixie]

Did all the escorts here band together and PAY this guy to say that? Good Lord, he's like a dream come true, isn't he? Ya Devon, put him in your movie. A yes-man like this only comes along once a lifetime.

[Trixie]

RE: Indy

 

Oh sweetie, we're gonna have to figure out how make your burg a place 'scorts would want to spend their vacations! Let's see, maybe we could move the Black&Blue Ball there, build an Ikea, and legalize X. You'd have a plethora to choose from in no time.

[phage]

>Did all the escorts here band together and PAY this guy to

>say that? Good Lord, he's like a dream come true, isn't he?

>Ya Devon, put him in your movie. A yes-man like this only

>comes along once a lifetime.

 

Make that twice in a lifetime. I wasn’t even going to comment because the topic is so silly, but after your rude response to Jeff’s noble attempt to explain the “other side” – I couldn’t resist.

 

Do you honestly think an escort should care about the “sacrifices” you make so that you can pay someone to have sex with you? On what planet do you have God-given or constitutional rights to have sexual access to another man’s body?

 

It’s a completely frivolous, excessive, decadent, indulgent waste of money. If you don’t have the money to waste – get another hobby. If you’re doing this for any reason other than entertainment – get a therapist.

 

I don’t feel bad about the fact that I drive a car that many can’t afford. I don’t feel bad that I have a home that many can’t afford. And I’m certainly not going to feel bad about the fact that I can afford escorts that others can’t afford.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

> This situation is mirroring professional baseball players

>who kept whining about making a minnimum $100,000--

>threatening strikes, work stoppages etc

 

Except, of course, that escorts aren't even loosely organized; none of us have threatened to strike, and the closest thing to a work stoppage that happens is that maybe every now and then one of us takes a night off.

 

Other than that it's a mirror image.

 

>what I want to know is when did $150 and $175 an hour become

>chicken feed.

 

Do you realize that you could hire TWO $150/hour escorts a month AND pay their cab fare coming and going for less than my monthly medical/dental insurance premiums cost? This for a luxury item! Cry me a river.

[Guest Ant415]

You go Devon... well put.

[Rick Munroe]

>(In the end,

>the twins won him over.)

 

And can you blame him, Devon? Those Olsen Twins are really adorable. Do you have their dolls or did you show your client the "Billboard Dad" video? Who did he like more: Mary-Kate or Ashley? Ash is the prettier one, if you ask me. But you're right...either twin will win anyone over.

http://www.euronet.nl/~dkopp/olsen/images/pictures/sec_04.jpg

[Guest Ant415]

RE: Indy

 

Recreational drugs are synonymous with Indiana. In fact the mascot of the state, "hoosier" is simply a Souix (sp) Indian word that means "tweeked out for days".

 

Indiana is already the x capitol of the world. Crystal meth is nick-named "tina" in reverance to Dan Quayle's wife. She is rumored to be the consumate Tina whore, able to get double fisted while quilting a bedspread and making jams and jellies. Indiana is one giant cum and drug filled party, 24-7. The seemingly boring and republican facade is just that, a facade. From the outside it would appear to be just a prairie state with a lot of bungalows, cornfields, and trucks. Why do you think the Amish settled there... not for the weather... but for the nonstop club mixes and easy sex. The state legislature spends most of its time covering up the juicy truth about this pocket of decedant abandon. They don't want Indy to turn into just another Rio de Janeiro.

 

I think Traveller even has a seasonal house-share in Kokomo

 

To those in IN, sorry to share the real truth and expose your secret, exclusive party. The masses will come... and so will hot escorts.