No Fucking Way

[Guest JT]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>So is it

>>more than 50% of the

>>times that you hire escorts

>>they arrive late? or is

>>it over 50% of the

>>escorts you hire arrive late?

>>or both?

>

>Wouldn't the second alternative be the

>same as "both"?

 

Not necessarily unless one always hires a new or different escort each time (i.e. no repeats). I'm still curious as to the answer to my questions.

 

 

>>May I ask then, how many

>>of the escorts you hired

>>and who have positive reviews here are

>>in your opinions, would/should deserve

>>positive reviews from you?

>

>Of those with whom I had

>positive experiences, all already have

>multiple positive reviews.

>

>

>>Do

>>they constitute the majority or

>>the vast majority of your

>>experiences?

>

>Neither. The majority of the

>escorts I have hired have

>not been as the result

>of reviews here, although some

>were later reviewed here.

>

 

Maybe I wasn't clear. In fact what I was asking was whether those positive experiences constitute the majority or vast majority of your experiences.

 

 

>>If your experiences were

>>not positive, could there be

>>contributing factors other than the

>>escorts?

>

>It's their job to make the

>experience a positive one, and

>they should be able to

>do that unless the client

>is drunk or high or

>demands something that is dangerous

>or was ruled out by

>prior agreement. None of

>those applies to me.

>I agree with the poster

>who said chemistry has nothing

>to do with it.

 

The issue of "chemistry" has been discussed quite extensively in another thread so I'm not going to comment further.

 

 

>>I would assume an experienced

>>client who has had so

>>many bad experiences (having the

>>VAST MAJORITY of escorts he

>>hired arrived late) would have

>>found ways to reduce or

>>minimize them.

>

>That assumes that there ARE ways

>to reduce or minimize such

>experiences. What are they?

 

In another post, you mentioned that you talk to people you know about their escort experiences. I guess that would be one possible way. If you feel sites such as this one provide you useful guidelines as to which escorts are punctual, then it could be another way. One could also base on their own experiences to hire those escorts they find to be punctual.

 

 

>What is intriguing

>>here is that you seem

>>to suggest whatever the sources

>>and locations from which you

>>hired the escorts, the vast

>>majority of them were late.

>>So statistically you seemed to

>>constantly and repeatedly pick out

>>and hire the "latecomers" at

>>a high frequency

>

>Your statement is only valid if

>you assume that most escorts

>are not habitually late.

 

True. :-)

 

 

>If they are, then it

>would be statistically difficult to

>pick out a sigificant number

>who are NOT late.

 

But your statement is also only valid if one assumes that most escorts are habitually late so that one would consistently pick out and hire "latecomers" regardless where the escorts are located.

 

 

>Several people who have reviewed Premier

>escorts stated that this agency's

>escorts are usually late.

>I have also used Premier

>and have found this to

>be true. If it

>is generally true, then someone

>who often uses escorts from

>this agency would have a

>very high incidence of late

>escorts, for example.

 

I guess there is a BIG IF somewhere in the above statements. Anyway, if the vast majority of one's experiences is that the escorts are always late and consequently, one does not enjoy his experiences, would it make sense for the individual to stop hiring escorts? Why would anyone pay to suffer (and of course, I'm not talking about consensual S&M here :-) )?

 

JT

[Talvin DeMachio]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

Thanxs again Talvin..I

>will be callin. DC..keep posting..I

>find your comments enlightening..but no

>more Third Grade Crap :-)

>

>

>Godiva

 

 

Your welcome Godiva. I hope I helped in some kind of way. I am not sure what the third grade crap is suppose to mean exactly. I think that one went completely over my head.

 

Good gosh this is a long thread.

 

Talvin

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

just to clarify.. i wasn't calling YOU a pompous ass

[Guest spendlove]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>Not necessarily unless one always hires

>a new or different escort

>each time (i.e. no repeats).

 

I think it would be the same. The statement "over 50% of the escorts you hire arrive late" does not specify whether you are talking about initial appointments or repeat appointments or both.

 

>I'm still curious as to

>the answer to my questions.

 

Really?

 

>Maybe I wasn't clear. In fact

>what I was asking was

>whether those positive experiences constitute

>the majority or vast majority

>of your experiences.

 

 

Thanks for clarifying.

 

 

>Anyway, if the vast

>majority of one's experiences is

>that the escorts are always

>late and consequently, one does

>not enjoy his experiences, would

>it make sense for the

>individual to stop hiring escorts?

>Why would anyone pay to

>suffer (and of course, I'm

>not talking about consensual S&M

>here

 

I have already said that when I first began hiring I was more tolerant of this sort of thing. But after dozens of such experiences I no longer have the same patience I once did. I find myself hiring less often than in the past mainly because the hassles involved in dealing with careless and inconsiderate hookers are beginning to outweigh the enjoyment that is supposed to be the whole point of hiring them.

 

Friends of mine who travel abroad more often than I do tell me that in some countries there are traditions of prostitution that create and enforce standards that make the whole experience easy and hassle-free. Based on my experience that certainly isn't true in this country.

[NASAguy]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>In the ten years in which

>I have been hiring escorts,

>I have yet to see

>any evidence that any of

>them ever devoted even a

>moment's thought to me or

>my needs when we were

>not actually together or, in

>the vast majority of cases,

>even when we were together.

 

I find it hard to believe with this kind of experience and feeling that you are able to have any enjoyable time with escorts at all. Your opinion is so negative, I feel sorry for you.

 

I had surgery this summer. My favorite escort, who I see regularly 2-3 times per year, sent me the most moving personal email on the morning of my operation and followed up with a series of emails of poems, well wishes and notes for several days following the surgery. His personal attention absolutely raised my spirits and made the ordeal almost pleasant. To this day, I still re-read his series of correspondence with a lump in my throat.

This is just one example and I am sure that many people could site examples just like this. There are very caring escorts out there.

[Godiva]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

Hey DC no offense taken...In fact..I probably will deserve that title at some point on one one of these posts..:-)

 

By the way thanxs Jeff for your response way back...C'mon where are all my other favorite escorts..Do your rates apply to hourly charges or whatever happens...

 

Godiva

[Traveller]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

>This is what I do when

>I am with a client

>for the FIRST time.

>I always ask to SEE

>the money first but I

>do not take it from

>them. I always ask

>them just to put it

>on the table or some

>where visible.

>

 

So this is why you made me clench the bills between my teeth the whole time during our first sesh. I guess I can understand that part, but you knew that I had to make up the balance with silver dollars. It was a bit embarrassing juggling the coins high enough so that you could still see them while plowing me from behind.

 

Later.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

trav... do another bump or take a nap.

usually you're pretty funny--in your own way--but this time, it bombed.

[Guest pickwick]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>I find it hard to believe

>with this kind of experience

>and feeling that you are

>able to have any enjoyable

>time with escorts at all.

> Your opinion is so

>negative, I feel sorry for

>you.

 

Thanks a lot. I just love being patronized by people who think they've found the secret of happiness and can't wait to express pity for those who aren't similarly clued in. Everyone enjoys being on the receiving end of such sentiments, isn't that true?

 

>I had surgery this summer.

>My favorite escort, who I

>see regularly 2-3 times per

>year, sent me the most

>moving personal email on the

>morning of my operation and

>followed up with a series

>of emails of poems, well

>wishes and notes for several

>days following the surgery.

>His personal attention absolutely raised

>my spirits and made the

>ordeal almost pleasant. To

>this day, I still re-read

>his series of correspondence with

>a lump in my throat.

 

That is very touching. On those rare occasions when I am ill, the only expressions of support and concern I ever get are from friends and family rather than from people whom I pay to have sex with me. I guess I should feel deprived.

 

>This is just one example and

>I am sure that many

>people could site examples just

>like this. There are

>very caring escorts out there.

 

I'll have to take your word for that, as I have never seen any evidence of it. On the other hand, of course, I have no experiences to match the horror stories I have read on this site about escorts who steal from their clients, who cheat them by asking for money up front and then vanishing, who take advantage of them by asking for "loans" to help them through "emergencies" or who mistreat them in other ways. So I guess I should feel lucky.

[Godiva]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

Hey Picwick I echo your thoughts..and of course I am speaking from personal expierience..I go into my time with an escort knowing that this is nothing more than a business transaction. They are not out to make friends..they are out to make money.

Yeah some may go a little further and send cards and notes of thought during ones time of need but it is still business. I work in retail and I do the exact same thing to my customers. I have been with some of them for a long time. I send cards, flowers to one who was hospitalized. Yeah part of it was because I cared but in reality I want her to think of me anytime she and her family and her friends come into my store and spend money. They love me but it is still business. My customers have bought me things when they went on vacation. But it all goes back to the nature of the relationship. Why do like Mrs Smith...she spent 30,000 with me last year. Sounds cold ...its business.

 

My personal thoughts

Godiva

[Guest JT]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>Is there some point to this?

> If so, I certainly

>can't see it.

 

You have stated twice that the two scenarios are the same without exceptions. I was just trying to respond to your previous statements and to point out that they are not necessarily the same. If there is no point to this, I'm just curious why you responded to it twice in your previous posts.

 

 

>I think that I have already

>described my experiences sufficiently.

>There seem to be several

>posters who get a kick

>out of telling other people

>about their sexual escapades, so

>much so that they insert

>references to their sexual habits

>into other discussions, apropos of

>absolutely nothing. But I

>am not one of those

>posters.

 

This was and is not what I have asked you to do. I'm just asking you to clarify for us, if you will so kindly, the percentage of the escorts you hired who were not punctual?

 

 

>I suppose it might be done.

> It only took a

>few hundred years for these

>traditions to develop elsewhere.

>In America a mere seven

>or eight decades might be

>enough.

 

So what are those traidtions and standards?

 

JT

[Godiva]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

Thanxs to those of you who contributed to this post..

 

Godiva

[Guest JT]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>>Not necessarily unless one always hires

>>a new or different escort

>>each time (i.e. no repeats).

>

>I think it would be the

>same. The statement "over

>50% of the escorts you

>hire arrive late" does not

>specify whether you are talking

>about initial appointments or repeat

>appointments or both.

 

Well I did say "not necessarily" the same but I didn't say they can't be the same. For example, a person who has hired four escorts. Let's say two of them are punctual and the other two are late. He has hired each of the two punctual escorts twice while only once for each of those who arrived late. In other words, 1/3 of the times he hired an escort and half of the escorts he hired was late.

 

 

>>I'm still curious as to

>>the answer to my questions.

>

>Really?

 

Yes, if you don't mind sharing that information with others. Just wondering whether others have had the same or similar experiences regarding escorts arriving late. I must confess that in my own experiences, the vast majority (at least 90%) of the escorts I have been with has been very punctual.

 

 

>I have already said that when

>I first began hiring I

>was more tolerant of this

>sort of thing. But

>after dozens of such experiences

>I no longer have the

>same patience I once did.

> I find myself hiring

>less often than in the

>past mainly because the hassles

>involved in dealing with careless

>and inconsiderate hookers are beginning

>to outweigh the enjoyment that

>is supposed to be the

>whole point of hiring them.

 

Thank you for clarifying.

 

 

>Friends of mine who travel abroad

>more often than I do

>tell me that in some

>countries there are traditions of

>prostitution that create and enforce

>standards that make the whole

>experience easy and hassle-free.

>Based on my experience that

>certainly isn't true in this

>country.

 

I'm curious as to what kinds of traditions and standards would they be? Is it possible to adopt them in North America?

 

JT

[Guest spendlove]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>Well I did say "not necessarily"

>the same but I didn't

>say they can't be the

>same. For example, a person

>who has hired four escorts.

>Let's say two of them

>are punctual and the other

>two are late. He has

>hired each of the two

>punctual escorts twice while only

>once for each of those

>who arrived late. In other

>words, 1/3 of the times

>he hired an escort and

>half of the escorts he

>hired was late.

>

 

Is there some point to this? If so, I certainly can't see it.

 

>Yes, if you don't mind sharing

>that information with others.

 

I think that I have already described my experiences sufficiently. There seem to be several posters who get a kick out of telling other people about their sexual escapades, so much so that they insert references to their sexual habits into other discussions, apropos of absolutely nothing. But I am not one of those posters.

 

 

>I'm curious as to what kinds

>of traditions and standards would

>they be? Is it possible

>to adopt them in North

>America?

>

>JT

 

I suppose it might be done. It only took a few hundred years for these traditions to develop elsewhere. In America a mere seven or eight decades might be enough.

[Guest JT]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>No one has any business saying

>that "most escorts" are this,

>that or the other since

>no one, including me, has

>anything other than anecdotal evidence

>to support such a statement.

 

I totally agree. :-) But your position here seems to contradict with those that you've advocated in another thread, "Real or Fake Reviews". May I ask a question then? In your opinion, is it okay for people to say "most reviews" or "most escorts" are this or that without providing any evidence? If yes, then why would you say something like this here, "No one has any business saying that "most escorts" are this, that or other..."?

 

JT

[Godiva]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

Had an unpleasant expeirence with an escort last night...The escort is a very popular one on this board who came to my apt last night. He arrive intoxicated first of all, his face was full of achne and he was rude. I asked him to leave within 10mins of his arrival. He said not without my money....Hello... He proceeded to shove me and he refused to leave. I proceeded to pick up the phone and call some friends over. Two pretty big guys. It was cool cuz they flew in my door and ask me if I had any problem. I said yes Hardy was just evicted..and he was while this whole situation was going on. The Escort, who looked pathetic... begged me not to say anything and that he would give me a freebie anytime I wanted. I threw him out with cabfare back home. I told him I would not trash him because there are others out there who will put up with his crap..but not me NO Fuckin Way. I also might take him up on his freebie..sans the achne..he has a hott bod. After he left the three of us sat back and cried over Hardys departure. We now have no reason to watch BB2..

[Guest creosote]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>I totally agree. :-) But your

>position here seems to contradict

>with those that you've advocated

>in another thread, "Real or

>Fake Reviews". May I ask

>a question then? In your

>opinion, is it okay for

>people to say "most reviews"

>or "most escorts" are this

>or that without providing any

>evidence? If yes, then why

>would you say something like

>this here, "No one has

>any business saying that "most

>escorts" are this, that or

>other..."?

>

>JT

 

 

I read the thread about fake reviews and I'm just interested enough in the topic to respond once, but not interested enough to get into one of the endless hairsplitting discussions you're having with others, so don't come back to me with "May I ask a question . . . ." The answer's no.

 

The distinction seems obvious to me. No one can say that most escorts have a particular characteristic because there isn't any database containing information on all or even most escorts that can be examined to verify such a statement. There isn't even a way to construct a representative sample without knowing the entire data universe from which the sample is to be drawn, and no one can credibly claim to know that. It's the same problem that comes up when people try to estimate how much money is spent on drugs in this country each year, which is why none of the figures published is reliable.

 

If someone wants to make a statement about most of the reviews on this site, that IS a finite database that can be examined to verify that statement. Whether people should have to examine it in order to verify their statements is a completely different issue, but at least it would be possible.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

coming close on the heals of you "have you been threaten [sic]" thread, this sounds a bit made-up.

[Guest Croix]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

Hey wow, how lucky for you. I had the opportunity, quite by accident, to schedule an appointment on my birthday, but in the 20 minutes it took to reply to the email, that day had already gone, and we had to make it the night before through the morning of. The guy was well aware of it, and I thought it was an exciting happenstance.

 

The evening was great, but the morning ... well, even with people starting to call to wish me a happy birthday, he was questioning if it really was. And as for cake or anything else sweet - it was my birthday, I was the client, I was the one who had brushed his teeth and showered before getting back into bed, he was the one who got sex, and I couldn't even get a kiss - being called skanky because his dick had been in my mouth! What a bitch, because this guy was third on my list of three.

 

I am glad you got a memory though. It is good to confirm that some guys really are special.

[Godiva]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

Sorry DC but it was the truth..

 

Thanxs for posting

Godiva

[Guest JT]

RE: No Fucking Way

 

>I read the thread about fake

>reviews and I'm just interested

>enough in the topic to

>respond once, but not interested

>enough to get into one

>of the endless hairsplitting discussions

>you're having with others,

 

Well, I guess I'm responsible for some of the lengthy discussions on that thread, but please don't blame only me for the hostile posts you encountered there. It's interesting to observe that, out of all threads on the message centre, you chose to respond to mine as one of your very first (and possibly first) posts.

 

 

>so

>don't come back to me

>with "May I ask a

>question . . . ."

> The answer's no.

 

If one wants to remain civilized in any discussion, I would think one would treat others with respect and courtesy. It's then interesting to note that you've found the discussions "hairsplitting", yet your post does not seem to make the discussion more civilized and polite. I think you, like any other posters, have the rights to not answer any questions on the message board but I'm afraid that no one has the rights to tell people not to ask questions.

 

 

>The distinction seems obvious to me.

> No one can say

>that most escorts have a

>particular characteristic because there isn't

>any database containing information on

>all or even most escorts

>that can be examined to

>verify such a statement.

>There isn't even a way

>to construct a representative sample

>without knowing the entire data

>universe from which the sample

>is to be drawn, and

>no one can credibly claim

>to know that. It's

>the same problem that comes

>up when people try to

>estimate how much money is

>spent on drugs in this

>country each year, which is

>why none of the figures

>published is reliable.

>

>If someone wants to make a

>statement about most of the

>reviews on this site, that

>IS a finite database that

>can be examined to verify

>that statement. Whether people

>should have to examine it

>in order to verify their

>statements is a completely different

>issue, but at least it

>would be possible.

 

I respectfully agree with almost everything you said here, with one exception. I don't see any differences between your points of view and mine. However, the main issue on the other thread is exactly the one that you haven't really discussed in details here, "Should people make generalized, sweeping statements as FACTS without any supporting evidence"?

 

JT

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

perhaps... just seems affected to me.

 

 

>Sorry DC but it was the

>truth..

>

>Thanxs for posting

>Godiva

[Guest JT]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

>He proceeded to shove

>me and he refused to

>leave. I proceeded to pick

>up the phone and call

>some friends over. Two pretty

>big guys. It was cool

>cuz they flew in my

>door and ask me if

>I had any problem.

 

Is this one of those fringe benefits of having two BIG friends living very close by (perhaps in the same building or even next door)? It sounds like they respond faster than 911! :-)

 

JT

[Godiva]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

Hey JT..Fortunately I live in a very close and safe neighborhood and everyone knows each others business..People sit out on the stairs all night long and see who is cumming and going...I actually could have opened my window and yelled a few names and they would have arrived faster than the phone call..Unfortunatley they know all my business..:-)

[MiamiLooker]

RE: No Fuckin Way

 

>I asked him to leave

>within 10mins of his arrival.

>He said not without my

>money....Hello... He proceeded to shove

>me and he refused to

>leave.

 

Many posters on this board have said they would write a negative review if an escort threatened them. I don't understand why you decided not to write one. Not everyone who hires this guy has neighbors to come to their rescue.