What are the red flags when being hired by a client?

[Guest hungjock18]

After seeing the discussion about red flags about hiring an escort, how about the other side - the warning signs when being hired or working for a client?

 

I had 2 recent situations that were uncomfortable for me that I have learned from; both involving getting less than the fee that had been agreed up front.

 

In the first case, the guy told me he only had $120 instead of $175 after I arrived and I agree to go ahead. The second was when I got $160 instead of the agreed upon $175 - I only found out as I left the hotel and counted the money. Both weren't big deals to me yet I felt cheated. In both cases, I made sure I met the expectations and both guys confirmed that they were very satisfied at the end of the appointment.

 

I believe it is deceiving to wait until the guy arrives to lower the price yet I know I could have requested a travel fee and walked but I did decide to go ahead. In the second case perhaps it was just an oversite but I don't know if I should count the money in front of the client before I leave. In every case, clients hand me a stack of bills (usually lots of twentys from the ATM) and I always count when I leave the hotel and have always had the agreed upon amount or a bit more (except for this last appointment).

 

Comments appreciated as well as other red flags that escorts, like myself, should look out for when communicating and meeting a client.

 

Thanks,

Jack in DC

hungjock18@hotmail.com

[marc anthony]

Hey Jack: Since this is a site predominantly of clients, you may not get all the answers you want! Most of us think we are pretty good clients, so we can't give you the typical red flags of the "bad guys."

 

But consider this... I have NEVER shorted an escort, or treated him poorly. Even in the very few cases when the escort had obviously misrepresented himself and the situation was clearly not acceptable, I very nicely paid a generous travel fee, and sent the boy on his way. I usually tip well if the job is well done, especially with agency boys, but even with young independents who have less-than-market value fees. But I feel that the reason I am consistently fair is that I really do view the boys I hire as human beings trying to make a go of it. And because I tend to hire twinky ones, I often have this protective, nurturing attitude toward them.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that a client who truly perceives the escort as another human being trying to do a job is far less likely to cheat a boy than one who is trying to get a quick sex fix with the nearest "cum depository." Ugh... sorry for the distasteful characterization! And the only way to determine this is the same way I as a client weed out poor escorts, pre-meeting conversations... phone or online. I really believe that good pre-appointment communication is the surest way to protect both escort and client.

[mmk]

Hey Jack, I never thought of it but there definately is a flip side and you have the right to know what the red flags are. Unfortunately they are not always obvious. Alot of what you might have to go on would either be blind faith or gut instinct. As a client and not an escort, I would say that if your gut instinct is sending up a red flag, then go with that. Having only ever been misled by an escort once (I did not have a picture to go by and I did not see him in person before speaking on the phone and arranging a meeting. Oh well. live and learn) I have always been more than satisfied. But the escorts that I usually hook up with are ones who are dancers so I see what I am getting (for the most part) and I can get to know them on somewhat of higher level. If I get a bad feeling after talking to someone like this a few times then I do not ask if they engage in private meetings. This is also a way for the escort/dancer to get to know you and judge whether you are a psycho or a normal person looking for some fantasy fulfillmetn/pleasure/escapism/etc. Now I do not know if you are also a performer or if you meet up with your clients after a few phone conversations sight unseen but my suggestion would be to just lay some groundrules, the first one that you would just like to SEE the money before engaging in anything, not TAKE it. Explain the situations in the past to know why you want to. If this upsets the potential client on the phone or in person after you explain your reasons then I would not meet up with that person. I hope that you can understand where some clients can be guarded, but unfortunately you have the 20% of the escorts who do seek to rip people off which ruins it for the remaining 80% who are not looking to rip any body off. It only takes one bad experience to leave one a little jaded with anything in life but it sounds like you got two clients who were smarmy pigs (I hope they are reading this) relatively close together. Sorry for being so long winded and I apologize for any spelling errors.

[Guest WetDream]

Sorry, but I am afraid that this is also from a client. I would hope that some of the escorts that post here will chime in and help. It is an extremely interesting subject. I understand that there is a site that is restricted to escorts, one where they can discuss clients and other business matters. Check with your colleagues; maybe they can help you out with the address.

[Guest jeffOH]

I've had potential clients tell me on the phone that they only had X amount of money(less than my stated fee)and I always tell

them to give me a call when they have the correct amount. I don't

play Let's Make a Deal.

 

I did have a client who I had seen several times purposely short

me and I never saw him again. Plus, I blacklisted him by telling

all my escort/friends about his deception. Usually such behavior

has been in clients who were alcoholics or drug addicts.

 

There have been times when a client has accidentally shorted me

and I will mention it to them in a phone call or an e-mail. But

in 10 years of escorting this has happened no more than 1/2 a

dozen times.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[NASAguy]

I have to confess that I did unintentionally short an escort $20.00 once when I first began seeing professionals. At that time, I had 20's in my wallet and hastily counted out the agreed to amount before he left. About a minute later, there was a knock on my door and the escort stated that I had underpaid him by $20.00. I was embarassed and appologized and immediately gave him the additional amount. I am very glad he came back and did not go away thinking I had deliberately done that. Now I always get large bills and count them several times and put them in an envelop before the escort arrives so I do not repeat this incident. The moral--escorts give the first time client the benefit of the doubt and ask for the additional money if you have been shorted (count your money before you leave the area if not in the presence of the client). It very well may have been unintentional.

[ted]

I almost shorted my regular by accident. I normally cash a check for the amount, that way I get big bills, and they give me the cash in a bank envelope. I often(used to anyway) just gave the envelope to the escort when we were done-we've been seeing each other long enough that I don't put it out anymore and he often doesn't look at it. Anyway, this time I apparently made the check out for $50 less than normal, or the teller made a consistent mistake. Before the appt, I wanted to take a hundred dollar bill out and replace it with 2 $50's, but to my horror, there was $50 missing;thank god for ATM's. Moral is, always ask if something isn't kosher with your regulars, he might have made a honest mistake.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

I too have a client that for the last three sessions has shorted me more and more everytime. I dont know how to say anything however to him.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

wouldn't "red flag" implie something that happens BEFORE the appointment actually happens--something that SHOULD have alerted you that events were amiss???

 

red flag #1: a prospective "client" who insists on asking about sexual activity in relation to fees charged. (this should be self-explanatory anywhere prostitution is illegal.)

 

red flag #2: a prospective client who seems drunk or under the influence of drugs when arranging an appointment. (basically, you're setting yourself up for someone difficult to deal with, or someone who might "forget" to pay--or even pass out.)

 

red flag #3: a prospective client who claims to have visited your website, then says "so tell me about yourself." (this is an irritatingly vague question on its own.)

 

red flag #4: a prospective client who "forgets" how much an appointment will cost.

 

red flag #5: a prospective client who tries to negotiate price. (this also applies to someone who has never seen you before, but who asks if you'll discount fees for repeat customers.)

[Guest DCescortBOY]

LOL! imply :-)

[marc anthony]

DCescortboy: I am truly glad that you can take a moment to laugh at yourself! We all need to take a deep breath sometimes and do that! As someone who has lived a decade or two longer than you, I can attest to the fact that a little self-depracating humor is true laughter for the soul... and is necessary for a balanced view of life and the world.

 

Too bad you're a top... cuz you are an awfully cute boy, with a pretty good brain on your shoulders!

 

Marc (who likes to take cute bottom boys under his wing, help mold their view of the world, and even correct their grammar and spelling sometimes, LOL)

[Guest jeffOH]

>I too have a client that

>for the last three sessions

>has shorted me more and

>more everytime. I dont know

>how to say anything however

>to him.

 

You should have said something after the first time. What are you afraid of anyway? You don't need an asshole client like that

who apparently thinks you're some dumb hooker. Confront the client,tell him how much he has shorted you and if he is un-

willing to make up the difference, hasta la vista baby! I would also warn every escort I know about this guy. I can't believe

you let it get this far.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest DCescortBOY]

hey marc.. thanks

unless you're an anaethesiologist, bottoming isn't really in my future.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

maybe send a non-confrontational email.

perhaps you might just mention the next time he sets something up that the pay packet has been short on the last couple of appointments.

[Guest WetDream]

Great, thoughtful response. Instructive to both servers and those served.

[Guest man2man4u40]

Because I started the post on the other side of this issue, I thought I'd take the time to give some input.

 

DCescortBOY makes some very good points. I would add:

 

Guys who page you but only leave a voicemail/pager number to get back to them. Once I find out the number is for a voicemail/pager, I don't bother trying to get a hold of them again. These guys seem to be game players.

 

Guys who give you a one line e-mail and within that line they want to see more pictures of you. I just point them to a website and say that's all there is. Most of these guys seem to be collectors.

 

Guys who want to set things up months in advance but are very vague about when they exactly want an appointment These guys fall into the game player or lonely guy category. I've had many gentleman who've wanted to arrange in advance an appointment on a specific night or weekend. I always hold that date for them and confirm within a week of the appointment. This has worked for me every time but once. The guys who were vague never panned out.

 

Guys who even raise the issue of if I bareback over the phone/internet (especially if they want to fuck me). I had one guy who I told NO WAY and he SAID oh, alright but wouldn't you know that as he was going to start to fuck me it was without a condom. I immediately put a stop to that and his lame excuse was that I got him so excited he forgot to put one on. Give me a break. If they ask you to do something you don't do, politely turn them down. It's not worth the risk.

 

Lastly, Guys in their twenties tend be VERY flaky. The almost assume that you'll accomodate them for free or at a reduced rate because they're "hot" (or so they say). Maybe this is just a yellow flag in that recently I've seen a client twice who's only 20yrs old and it's worked out great both times.

 

--Jack in SF.

 

>wouldn't "red flag" implie something that

>happens BEFORE the appointment actually

>happens--something that SHOULD have alerted

>you that events were amiss???

>

>

>red flag #1: a prospective "client"

>who insists on asking about

>sexual activity in relation to

>fees charged. (this should be

>self-explanatory anywhere prostitution is illegal.)

>

>

>red flag #2: a prospective client

>who seems drunk or under

>the influence of drugs when

>arranging an appointment. (basically, you're

>setting yourself up for someone

>difficult to deal with, or

>someone who might "forget" to

>pay--or even pass out.)

>

>red flag #3: a prospective client

>who claims to have visited

>your website, then says "so

>tell me about yourself." (this

>is an irritatingly vague question

>on its own.)

>

>red flag #4: a prospective client

>who "forgets" how much an

>appointment will cost.

>

>red flag #5: a prospective client

>who tries to negotiate price.

>(this also applies to someone

>who has never seen you

>before, but who asks if

>you'll discount fees for repeat

>customers.)

[adriano46]

Guys,

 

Interesting comments.

 

I shorted a very good escort only once by accident... he was with me for an overnight, and I handed him an envelope which had the fee for 2 hours (for a later appointment :-) ! I noticed the mistake about an hour after he left.

 

Fortunately, we had arranged to meet the next afternoon for a coffee (only) and it gave me the chance to hand him the correct envelope. Since that occasion, we have become more friends than simply client-escort.

 

I hate counting out the money for the escort before or after a session, as I personally feel it demeans both of us... I never give an escort simply what we agreed upon, unless he is a total loser (rare). And on one occasions, due to a lot of mixed singnals on both our parts, I paid a guy for two hours, when he was with me for 40 minutes. On that sad occasion, I managed to clear the whole thing up first by a somewhat negative review, followed by his answer, and exchanging a few subsequent e-mails... and all is forgiven. I only wish I could see him again because he was HOT, but unfortunately lives too far away.

 

And then there is the real professional, Michael Vincenzo, who on entering asks you pretty nicely whether what you see is what you want... he must be kidding as he is outstandingly handsome, and you'd have to be a fool to let him out the door. Him I GLADLY paid almost twice our agreed fee (he was delayed having missed a flight, and I had an appointment.. and so we had to literally squeeze him in in barely one hour.)

[+ Lucky]

What is so wrong with the escort counting the money before he leaves? What is demeaning about that? These are commercial transactions, and obviously from these posts, mistakes in counting are made. Better to clear them up on the spot than have hard feelings.

[ready182]

Counting the cash

 

I have had most of my experience with one specific agency, and none of their escorts have ever asked for cash up front. Now, call me anal (get your mind out of the gutter!), none of their escorts have ever counted the cash I gave them. Should I feel complemented by their trust, or be worried that "John" may return to home base & accuse me of shorting them?

[Guest Kevin 2]

"I too have a client that for the last three sessions has shorted me more and more everytime. I dont know how to say anything however to him."

 

Michael perhaps you should tell him that your new fee is 300 and that way you will actually get the 200 you charge. ;-) LOL

Actually I agree with the others you should say something to him.

[Bilbo]

RE: Counting the cash

 

I regularly make a habit of counting the cash in front of the customer. Especially in these days of sticky bills from ATMs. Most of the errors I have caught have been in the client's favor. It also gives me a chance to thank the client if he tips me. I think fees are high enough already that if you are tipped you should know it and thank the man. I often gloss over any discomfort by telling the client about the time that I caught a client accidently overpaying me by $100 when two sticky hundred dollar bills got stuck together.

 

Don't trust anyone who has a local number but insists on seeing you at a motel. (Yes, I have an easier time with this since I won't meet with a person in a closed relationship, but I firmly believe in it for everyone.)

 

Don't meet anyone at a lobby or other public place when he has a description of you but you don't have one of him. You need to know if he has looked you over and rejected you (and they don't always fess up to it) so that you can go on your merry way.

 

Never trust anyone who doesn't ask what your fee is, unless it is in your advertising. Particularly don't trust anyone who says that "money is no object". The only time that money is no object is when he doesn't intend to give you any of it.

 

And anyone who calls you and then asks you who you are is in the midst of calling way, way too many people and not really caring which one eventually gets his business. This is one thing which can lead to the "race" situation wherein one client makes appointments with two or more escorts and the one who gets to his door first gets to go inside of it.

 

Anyone who can't give you at least an hour's notice before the appointment is likely to get off before you arrive or to be rude in other ways as well. You are not a fighter squadron ready to run out the door yelling, "Tora, tora, tora" at the drop of a telephone bell.

[CT Dick]

RE: Counting the cash

 

>And anyone who calls you and then asks you who you

>are is in the midst of calling way, way too

>many people and not really caring which one eventually gets his business. This is one

>thing which can lead to the "race" situation wherein one

>client makes appointments with two

>or more escorts and the one who gets to his

>door first gets to go inside of it.

>

Bilb, we usually agree but not on this one. When I am cruising the ads, I call and give the guy about 30 minutes to get back to me. Then I page another (It is rare to actually get an escort. Rather, I am punching my phone number into his pager.)

 

There have been days where I have pages out for 3-4 guys. I always take the first to call back (assuming the conditions are right.) and let the others know what happened. I NEVER make two appts.

 

But, when a guys calls and says "You paged me," I have to ask who he is.

 

Dick

[ted]

RE: Counting the cash

 

When meeting someone new, or in a non-regular city I too often contact 2 to 4 guys almost simultaneously, so that if someone is busy, I'm not left scrambling. In some ways it is a race, not to the door, but to the inbox. I normally make initial contact 10 days before the appt, and the first to reply usually, but not always, gets the appt. I just set something up for this weekend, but the first guy to return the email wouldn't make the commitment to the appt., the other has, so is booked.

[Bilbo]

RE: Counting the cash

 

Dick, you misunderstood me. I mean when my phone rings and I answer it hello and the person on the other end asks, "Who is this?" (Of course, if I am the person calling you, and I somehow had a blond moment and forgot to identify myself, I should expect you to ask me who I am.) Believe it or not, my hello on my own phone has many times been answered that way. I'm not surprised that you misunderstood me as you are a reasonable and polite person and this kind of behavior probably surprises you.

 

And, yes, a race to the inbox is fine with me, too. Standard procedure. A race to the door, though it has happened, is not. I remember one night when the security guard I had to drive past into a condo's parking lot told me that I probably wouldn't get in as there was already someone in with the prospective client and someone else had been turned away at the door. Sure enough, the "person" didn't even answer his doorbell to let me know for sure just how rude he had been. So, I stole one of the plants from his patio. Hey, it's nicer than kicking in his speakers, isn't it?

[Guest Idollover]

Where is this site and how can I enter it to see if I'm being discussed?!

 

Signed,

 

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