How do you know he is not a cop?

[Guest rzauctions]

I hire escorts and have a friend who is an escort. What should I do to assure that the guy I am hiring is not a cop? What should my friend do to make sure the guy that is hiring him is not a cop?

 

Neither of us ever say we want sex for money (or money for sex acts). We have never had an issue but wondering if asking someone if they are a cop is enough or can a cop deny it? What are some ideas to making sure you are not dealing with law enforcement or a trap when either hiring an escort or negotiating with a customer?

 

Thanks.

[Guest MrB]

Shop abroad where it's legal?

 

 

MrB

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

For the LAST TIME! If you ask someone if they are an officer of the law THEY DO NOT HAVE TO TELL YOU THEY'RE A COP. If a cop feels that they are about to arrest you for a crime they think you are about to commit they under SUPREME COURT RULING do not have to tell you they're a cop. If you solicit someone for sex and agree to pay them then you're busted. If you agree to sex for money you're busted. The best way to avoid being arrested is never ever bring up money in the same sentence with sex. If most of you would take the time to read Escorts web pages we usually list Top, Bottom or Versatile along with our rates. If you call me up and ask what I do I tell you to refer to my web page then there is no misunderstanding. That is if you can comprehend the English language.

[+ deej]

>For the LAST TIME!

 

You promise? :9 (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

 

You're absolutely right. And as I posted on another thread (just today, oddly), this is the only reason sting operations can ever be successful. Imagine an undercover cop on a mob sting being required to reveal himself. It would mean a bullet to the back of the head.

[Guest cp8036]

Ask the guy to give you a big wet kiss upon meeting. Tell him you always kiss new friends.

 

Is not overtly sexual. And if he is a cop, especially a straight one, he would be uncomfortable with that.

 

Or, ask if he knows who Judy Garland's daughter is, or who starred in "Suddenly, Last Summer".

[Guest regulation]

The answer is, there is NOTHING you or your friend can do to be sure the other person is not a cop.

 

In fact, you should understand that you may be at risk even if the other person is not a police officer, since the police often use other people to set up busts for them. These other people may be quite willing to do things, i.e., get undressed or kiss, that a police officer would not do in return for lenient treatment on some other bust.

[Guest JON1265]

This is another reason why I mainly use agencies.....I think your risks are cut severely, if not altogether, by doing that.

 

Does anyone know of any stories where a cop infiltrated an agency?

[Guest JD]

Here are some of the rules I follow:

 

1. Use agencies or individual escorts that are well-established. (This site is great for determining if someone is truly a professional.)

 

2. Don't hire "off the street", out of chat rooms, or areas known for "cruising". (Chat rooms are great for making initial contact but it's always best to ensure the escort is listed here or at least has an established web-site.)

 

3. Get referrals from others. (You'd be surprised how many of your friends are also using escorts.)

 

4. Get referrals from other escorts. (Two of my favorite escorts retired. When they told me they were quiting, they weren't offended when I asked them for a referral. They knew my preferences and helped me find excellent replacements.) NOTE: Please don't be tacky and ask for referrals UNLESS your escort is going out of business or you're traveling to a new location that they don't service.

[Bilbo]

When Sean says that you cannot safely mention sex and money in the same sentence, I think that he is for once understating things. Quite often, you cannot mention both of them safely in the same sentence. That is why I have often been taken a bit aback when threads here suggest that you make it very explicit when you tell them beforehand what acts you want to partake of. And in some states (some countries, too, I'm sure), it only takes one arrest to ruin your lifestyle.

[ServeUncutUncle]

Just dont offer the escort any Ca$h first, but let him see it placed in a prominent position. Ensure when mentioning Ca$h in e-mails you say that the agreed fee is for his time.

 

Pay at the end of all service, If the cop gives you a Blow Job then he desreves to be paid LOL

[Guest jeffOH]

>Just dont offer the escort any

>Ca$h first, but let him

>see it placed in a

>prominent position. Ensure when mentioning

>Ca$h in e-mails you say

>that the agreed fee is

>for his time.

>

>Pay at the end of all

>service, If the cop gives

>you a Blow Job then

>he desreves to be paid

>LOL

 

1) You can be arrested whether cash has been exchanged or not.

 

2) The police are more likely to target an agency rather than

an individual escort. They can usually file more than mis-

demeanor charges against an agency.

 

3) You're not likely to be set up in your own home by the police.

 

4) Most arrests of escorts/clients occur in motel, so be wary of

escorts operating out of a motel.

 

5) As Sean said, DO NOT talk about sex and money. If a client

starts asking me what do they get for there $$$, I say that

they get an hour of my time and I'm quite versatile.

 

Twice I've felt like I was being set up and I just got up/told

the guy I thought he was cop and left. Both times they were trying to get me to talk about sex and money. "So what's your

rate again and what can we do?", after I had already told them

my rates on the phone and that I was very versatile. Just trust

your instincts.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

2) The police are more likely to target an agency rather than

an individual escort. They can usually file more than mis-

demeanor charges against an agency.

 

Jeff, You are WAY wrong on that one babe. In NYC anyway they target both independant Escorts as well as agency's.

[Guest JON1265]

Of all the stings I have heard of..I have never heard of a cop getting into an agency....Jeff, do you have any examples?

 

I am still at a quandry as to how agencies can operate anyway....actually I am in an even bigger quandry as to why it is illegal for two consenting adults to do whatever they want with their bodies and money....

 

But that's another thread....

 

Jon

[+ bigjoey]

the problem with agencies is that for most, all of the records are on a computer such as client "names" and usually a good phone number (easily traced), etc. a "straight" agency near where i live was busted and the police had thousands of names to sort through to their delight.

 

most escorts have records, too. how detailed varries from escort to escort. i recently read "can't buy me love" by chris kenry; it is the story of a young man becoming an escort to pay bills and opening his own agency; he gets busted and the story is well written; he has everything written down, very detailed but in code. i recommend the book for a light summer read.

 

seanworldescort admitted to recording his meetings with clients. imagine the police listening to hours of recorded fun and payment for services. nothing like having evidence of the event. i wonder if other escorts record their meetings.

 

lets face it, both parties face a legal problem and it just comes with the territory. i am careful and assume the risk when hiring. that at least is one good thing about hiring a gaiety dancer, you know he is not a policeman!!! i would assume that any escort with a naked picture (with face) would not be a policeman; still, there might be a policeman who wants to share his manhood with the world.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

<<3) You're not likely to be set up in your own home by the police.>>

 

i know an escort in new orleans who was.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

i missed this one...

he RECORDS his appointments? for WHAT reason?

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

You God Damn right I tape the fuckers! I use my cell phone which I connect a mic to and run the wire up inside my shirt. Before I knock on the door I dial my cell phone voice mail and the entire initial meeting is recorded on my voice mail so there is no tape for the cop to confiscate. That way if they do bust me I have their sorry asses on tape.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

in many states recording a conversation without the permission of both parties, or an audible signal regularly repeated, is illegal.

 

sorry, but a legal eagle you're not.

[+ deej]

>Of all the stings I have

>heard of..I have never heard

>of a cop getting into

>an agency....Jeff, do you have

>any examples?

 

There are examples. There's a well-known porn agent who used to pimp his guys (and now only offers "introductions") who spent jail time after a bust.

 

One of his models squealed when caught in a sting. (And, oddly, that model who also squeals when getting fucked on film is now represented by the same agent again. Go figure.)

 

I'm not mentioning names because it would break rules here. But it does indeed happen.

[Justice]

>Does anyone know of any stories

>where a cop infiltrated an

>agency?

 

Yep. There was an agency (I think it was in Houston) that got raided by the cops. They set up shop using the agency's telephone, etc. and several clients got busted. If I remember correctly, one of them was a very minor diplomat. Diplomatic immunity should have prevented prosecution, I don't remember the outcome -- but I seem to recall that he lost his job as a result. :-(

[Guest TexasTaurus]

You don't.

 

This is particularly true here in Texas. If a cop or cops want you bad enough they will go to any extreme to get you.

 

Setting you up "through" an agency - no problem for them.

Setting you up individually - no problem for them.

Making a case against a close friend and having THEM set you up - no problem for them. (This happened to me!!! Another example is the man who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. He WAS, I understand, a police snitch. No problem for them.)

Just flat out lying when they can not make a case - no problem for them.

 

However, if YOU are individually targeted they have a reason. In most cases, if you exercise GOOD judgement you are OK AND DON"T MAKE WAVES!

[Guest jeffOH]

>2) The police are more likely

>to target an agency rather

>than

>an individual escort. They can usually

>file more than mis-

>demeanor charges against an agency.

>

>Jeff, You are WAY wrong on

>that one babe. In NYC

>anyway they target both independant

>Escorts as well as agency's.

>

Sean honey, didn't say they ONLY target agencies, they're just

the bigger fish to catch than independents. So, not "WAY" wrong

honey, heard of Heidi Fleiss?, The Mayflower Madam?...you bring

down an agency, there's more of an effect. There's money laundering charges, possible drug charges, operating a public

nuisance, if the agency has an incall location. I've had several

friends arrested and the agency with whom I first started 10 yrs. ago was also busted.

 

They'll set up an escort from an agency and nab him, get him

to squeal on the agency owner so he can plead guilty to a lesser

charge. Or as in the case of a friend of mine, he ratted out

the owner of a female agency( for whom his former girlfriend had

worked)who had often paid his girls with drugs.

 

Setting up one escort/prostitute at a time for what usually amounts to a misdemeanor charge is time consuming and not very

effective. But, yes they do it. I've had five friends arrested

for prostitution. Bailed them out, loaned them money for attorneys and gone to court with them. I know of which I speak.

 

SO, OFF TO YOUR ROOM FOR QUESTIONING DADDY'S WISDOM!

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

>Of all the stings I have

>heard of..I have never heard

>of a cop getting into

>an agency....Jeff, do you have

>any examples?

>

>I am still at a quandry

>as to how agencies can

>operate anyway....actually I am in

>an even bigger quandry as

>to why it is illegal

>for two consenting adults to

>do whatever they want with

>their bodies and money....

>

>But that's another thread....

>

>Jon

 

Jon...See my response post#21

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

RESPONSE TO #18

 

>>Of all the stings I have

>>heard of..I have never heard

>>of a cop getting into

>>an agency....Jeff, do you have

>>any examples?

>

>There are examples. There's a well-known

>porn agent who used to

>pimp his guys (and now

>only offers "introductions") who spent

>jail time after a bust.

>

>

>One of his models squealed when

>caught in a sting. (And,

>oddly, that model who also

>squeals when getting fucked on

>film is now represented by

>the same agent again. Go

>figure.)

>

>I'm not mentioning names because it

>would break rules here. But

>it does indeed happen.

 

Deej, thanks for a perfect example to illustrate that of which I spoke. There was a "SPA" busted here in Columbus. They got one of

the girls to spill her guts about what was really going on and

they were also charged with operating a public nuisance. This does seem to happen more with female agencies, maybe because there are simply more of them.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest DCescortBOY]

heidi fleiss wasn't the mayflower madam.

the mayflower madam was sydney biddle-barrows.

heidi was just the hollywood hooker ask charlie sheen!