Denise will force JT to pay back Gaiety customers he ripped off!

[Guest gilbie]

first of all denise never acknowledges or takes responsibility for what goes on between dancers and customers outside of her establishment. that is completely ridiculous. i really don't get the point of the individual posting such a statment unless it is to amuse. if your goal is to cause trouble for this jt, he's already done a good job for himself. word has been getting around fast enough that he won't want to come back.

[Guest NYGuy]

Yep, you read right! I spoke with Denise today and complained about the awful private I had with JT. Not only was she gentle and understanding, she also promised to force JT to pay back the money he ripped off of me in the private! She affirmatively said that she would do the same for any other JT victim who approaches her in person. When I asked her what if he denies my “allegations”, she said she’d ban him from the Gaiety, which goes to say she’ll take the customer’s word over his. That’s one classy lady in my opinion. To prove her seriousness, she gave me the dates of JT’s next visit which will start on Friday July 20 for 10 days.

 

I’m going to do my best to be at the Gaiety at that time and I urge all those who were ripped off by this sociopath to take Denise up on her offer. That should teach JT and other dancers seeking to heed his example a lesson..

[HooBoy]

Hey, I'm one of his victims! That's great! So now when he dances, instead of the audience putting dollar bills on the stage, maybe JT can pull $$ out of his G string and pass them out to guys on the edge of the stage.

 

This makes perfect sense!

 

And all the victims of the world can cram into the Gaiety to get their money back!

 

Whoopeee!!!

 

I also have beach property in Arizona I want to sell you.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[+ deej]

>I also have beach property in

>Arizona I want to sell

>you.

 

I was about to post just about the same response, but my offer would have been "swamp land in Arizona". :o

[Guest AIM]

>Yep, you read right! I spoke

>with Denise today and complained

>about the awful private I

>had with JT.

 

LOL ... LOL ... I gotta ask. I'm really curious. Just what DID you say to her when you "complained about the awful private?"

 

Although I believe you when you say you were ripped off, how can this Denise woman just take a customer's word for it? Couldn't this set a dangerous precedent for someone later on who decides he wants to make trouble for an escort? That seems unfair to me (again, not talking about your case).

 

I've never been to the Gaiety although I'd love to check it out sometime. But where are these "privates" occuring? On the Gaiety property? If so, by her intervening, isn't she then condoning what is going on at her establishment? If they don't occur on Gaiety property, then why does she even feel compelled to act on these complaints? She's providing dancers, not "privateers"?

 

And by the way, I think it's great that you're standing up for yourself and pursuing this (although it is kind of funny). I know if I was ripped off, I'd want to do something about it too.

[Guest LAPrada]

Hooboy... LOL... Priceless!!

 

NYGuy... I'm sorry you got ripped off, but getting a refund does sound like a joke. What will this lead to? A bunch of men complaining that they didn't get their monies worth? Based on what I've read about the Gaiety escorts , the line will be out the door, thru Harlem, and into Boston.

 

Denise cannot be serious. Please, I'll show up at the Gaiety myself and point at 5 dancers... let's see... 5 times $200. Wow, a thousand bucks... overnight escort rates!

 

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I find this both somewhat commendable (that you're taking a stand) but also deplorable (wanting a refund). How many honest, hard-working individuals on this site have been ripped off by the likes of Kirks, Hunter Laynes, Nicks of Atlanta? Why should YOU get a refund and not them.

 

If you do get a refund, my advice is to keep that private 'cause I'm sure you're making some others feel bad. NYGuy, I really don't mean to slam you, but I just thought this should have been a private matter between you and Denise.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

Denise--consumer advocate???

 

NYGuy: are you incredibly naive or do you yell REALLY REALLY REALLY loud?

 

denise is hard-pressed to even greet customers as she lets them into the gaiety let alone standing up for them in a non-related business transaction. maybe she'll do what she says--and JT will refund your cash--but i doubt it. good luck.

 

also, why shouldn't this guy, as well as any ripped-off john, get his money back? i'm sure the message center would erupt with cheers should anyone ripped off by anthony holloway or other ripoff artists somehow get their cash back.

 

i'm just saving my fantasies for my papi, that's all.

 

jizz

[Guest CZ]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

>NYGuy: are you incredibly naive or

>do you yell REALLY REALLY

>REALLY loud?

>

 

I dunno, Jizz. I'd have voted for his being incredibly naive. The trouble with THAT is having to accept as factual the conversation (and agreement) he reports he had with Denise. And, with all due respect, I find that very hard to do.

 

It will certainly be fascinating to watch how this whole thing plays out.

 

(If, on the other hand, incredible naivete is part of NYGuy's nature, it casts a whole new light on his dealings with JT, as well as the way he described the whole incident.)

[+ deej]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

Guys, I think it's more deception than naivetee. (how the hell DO you spell that word?)

 

First, we all know (as does Denise) that he won't have the cash to offer a refund on the spot anyway. It would be like squeezing blood out of a turnip.

 

Second, we all know Denise isn't going to get involved in "outside business".

 

If this conversation/promise really did happen, she's probably already blacklisted JT and when you show up asking for your refund she'll just say "he didn't show up". Easy out for her.

 

But I fear that we may have waged a (possibly unfounded) war here based on comments from a relative newcomer who MAY not be who he says he is.

[Guest NYGuy]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

Wow, I didn’t know this board is frequented by so many failed stand-up comedians! Will everybody take out whatever it is that’s up their ass and think of the whole situation rationally. if Denise was playing a game and she actually wont follow through with what she said to me, I’ve got nothing to lose and I’d be satisfied by the fact that at least I have moved off my butt and did something about a cold-blooded rip off, which is more than what can be said about most customers. If I were lying, it’s easy to confirm the “story” by calling the Gaiety and asking Denise (believe me, she doesn’t bite!) On the other hand, if she’s sincere in her offer, I’ll be “whopeeing” my way to the bank (thanks HooBoy for that new –if rather silly- addition to my vocabulary!)

 

However, being bitter about your own experiences with the Gaiety scam artists which you swallowed is a resigned silence and venting that bitterness on someone who’s actually trying to send a message to those who screwed you up –regardless or whether or not he succeeds- is just plain stupid.

[Losgatan]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

NYGuy,

 

Just a reminder that this board is still being moderated and that it may take some time for your posts to appear.

 

Posting the same message three times (as you did with this one) will **not** speed up the process. :-)

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

Pax, NYguy. I don't think anyone is criticizing you. I am quite willing to believe that Denise told you what she did. I suspect she has already received several complaints concerning JT, and wants to confront him with you. If he pays you back, he will be on probation. If he doesn't, she will have already decided to do without him.

 

Having a horde of former victims descend on the Gaiety for refunds is definitely not what she would have had in mind, however, and you are probably out of line in suggesting it. How is JT possibly going to repay that much money, and how is Denise going to be able to tell who is lying amongst the claimants? It would just mean that JT gets fired and *nobody* gets his money back. This is what your fellow board members are trying to tell you.

 

So can we just drop this thread until you have met or not met JT and gotten or not gotten your money back?

 

Esc-Tracker

[+ deej]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

Oh, make no mistake NYGuy. I've never been to the Gaiety.

 

I've been to similar clubs in NYC (when they had others), DC, Chicago, LA and SF and I'm fairly familiar with how they operate.

 

I just find it difficult to believe that the manager would in ANY WAY get involved with a dancer's off-stage "bizness". Even talking about it jeapordizes the existence of the club.

 

If she stepped up to this, great. I just find it hard to swallow.

 

And if you really think JT will have the cash to give you a refund, why not sue Kyle Bradford for $100 million?

 

Hey, it could work. He might have it.

 

(cough, cough, cough)

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

NYGuy: u misunderstand my intent. i sincerely hope you get your money back; just doubt that it will happen from my interactions with denise.

 

jizz

[Guest paulnyc]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

I must have missed it. Could someone fill me in on how JT ripped off NYCGuy?

[bill]

RE: Denise--consumer advocate???

 

NY Guy, the refund policy is VERY selective and VERY confidential. You may have jeopardized it by announcing it here -- because Denise can cancel his appearance if she gets too many complaints. If he does not return, you won't get your money.

[Guest NYGuy]

paulnyc, look in the archive for a thread I posted titled "Are messages censored on this website?" for more details.

[Guest assmaster]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

I find it hard to believe that Denise would get involved in any of this whatsoever..........as far as I know she does not even want to know what goes on when her boys "go out for coffee".....at any rate I had occasion to dine on JT's beautiful ass last night in Toronto......he was terrific......he does not like to get his dick sucked..........one guy in a million......butt sure let me play around "on the other side of paradise"........he was rock hard all the time too......and has a nice thick juicy dick........It is quite possinble that at The Gaiety he could be a 20 minute handjob type.....butt if you spell out what you expect with these guys you should not be disappointed.........I ALWAYS get my money's worth......If I have the slightest doubt......I keep shopping.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

Well, good for you! One less ripoff, one satisfied customer!

[Guest NYGuy]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

Well, assmaster, I’m not what you’d call a novice and I did agree on EVERYTHING before the sham private I had with JT. I was surprised to read your comments about his accommodating posterior since in my very brief encounter with him he gave me the impression he wouldn’t touch or be touched by another man with a 10-foot pole. He’s not a 20-minute hand job rip-off artist like you mentioned either (you think he’ll touch your genitalia, you wish!), he’s worse. He’s a dangerous hustler with a mean streak (read the archived thread I posted on the subject for more details).

 

The fairly positive remarks that JT gets from his Toronto customers (at least compared to my experience with him), where he charges far less than at the Gaiety, suggest that guys like him are apparently on a mission when they come to the Gaiety. The mission being –of course- milking as much money in as short time as possible from gullible Gaiety customers, no matter what means they use or what arrangements they make to lure the prey to their hotel rooms. Well, not this customer as I’ll see if Denise will stick to her word and refund my money from him. If she doesn’t, then I’ll think of something else. Thugs like him shouldn’t be allowed to do what they do without the victims at least putting up a fight.

[Guest assmaster]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

There is no question that MOST of the dancers/hustlers are at the Gaiety to do as little as they can.....for as much money as they can make....in as little time as possible......Does anyone think they do it for FUN?

Nevertheless........I always have a GOOD time and only occasionally have I ever felt ripped off and it was my own fault for not paying attention to my own rules.

I do think that the boys ...when they get to NYC..... are on a

MISSION ....and heaven only knows what "help" they have to have to get through a week there.....not to mention what "help' they have to have to get their bodies good enough for all of us "connoiseurs"......and I do know that some of this "help" alters their "personality" a lot........maybe on their home ground AND/OR because of all the bad press........some of them includintg JT are taking "customer SERVICE" a little more seriously.......HE certainly "serviced" me just fine.......I am also sure that HE like any of us can be a total.....pardon the romantic expression ... (for me at least)......ASSHOLE.

I know that he is on his way back to NYC soon....although the date escapes me..........so please keep us all up to date on The Case of the "Money-Back Guarantee".

[+ Lucky]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

Well, good for you. I don't know if you are trying to denigrate Ny Man's experience, but it seems very likely to me that it happened as he says it did, that JT is someone I would personally avoid, and your experience is different from his. So, good for you.

[Guest CZ]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

Gee, maybe if NYGuy had just asked this number to lie face down on a fluffy mound of pillows while he rimmed him for fifteen or twenty minutes (which, unless I'm mistaken, meets Assmaster's definition of 'service'), this whole hoohaw might never have happened. How about it? Is his ass so beautiful that it could qualify as the main event of a scene with him?

[ready4boi]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

assmaster,

 

Please give your tired rhetoric a rest. Many of us heard it on this site before and find it hard to swallow no pun intended. You are special and figured something out with these guys the rest of us haven't? Is it drugs? Is that the secret recipe? Maybe you personally offer them this extra 'helping hand' and that is how these boys are able to get into it and are so cooperative with just you in particular. Yes assmaster you are onto something. Under the influence of drugs and alcohol, straight boys can get into sexual scenes they normally wouldn't. The point of this thread is that there were clearly people totally conned by this JT and they have a reason to be upset. The longer hustlers like this JT get away with their game the longer they stick around and bother us.

[Guest assmaster]

RE: Denise-and JT

 

Listen Guys......

I have no doubt that JT and a whole lot of others have overpromised and underperformed.

And if anyone feels that they want or can get their money back....go for it!

I never pay until AFTER I am satisfied.

The above affair only points out the values of this site and how we can warn and/or help each other..........I had heard from another friend (before this episode) that JT might be a "reluctant" partner and decided to try him out in a booth at Remington's......where I found him to be quite responsive and so decided to go to the further "experiment" of a private show.........I made sure that he knew ahead of time waht I intended to do to him......and there was no problem......the only disappointment was that he really does not like having his dick sucked.....go figure...butt it was sure hard the hole time......and shot a load across the room..............and so did I with his helping hand.......

And THAT is the TRUTH...........

And all that for Canadian dollars........such a bargain.