Hooboy's Tin Cup

[Guest CZ]

Now that the first Billyboy thread has been dealt the coup de grace (an unsolicited re-run of TampaYankee's 'I have a dream speech'), I wish everyone would stop yawning long enough to consider the OTHER allegation in B's Hooboy expose: that all the wailing about the time & expense he has selflessly put into the site are just as much a crock as the 'truth & honesty' claim.

If Billyboy is even half right about that, isn't it time for H to drop the tin cup he so tremulously holds out to anyone on the way to the daily reviews?

[Guest MrB]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Because Billy claims it's not as much work as HooBoy says, suddenly there's no time and effort spent at all? Nobody here except HooBoy knows how much cost and time goes into maintaining this site. I have no idea how much the income is from donations and contributions. I have no idea whether the site breaks even--probably not, but if it did, I'd be happy for Hoo. Also, unless you want to volunteer to to a better job for no money at all, why are you bringing this up?

Speaking for myself, I have never felt pressure from Hooboy to make any contribution wwhatsoever. They come from people who truly value the worth of this site. There is no obligation to donate. In fact, there is no obligation to come to the site if you don't like or trust it.

 

 

MrB

[Justice]

LAST EDITED ON May-06-01 AT 09:30AM (EST)[p]I don't feel pressure to contribute to HooBoy. I'm sure that it does take a lot of time and effort to run the site. If HooBoy makes a profit from it -- than I say good for him. I use the site for entertainment, but I take EVERYTHING -- including BillyBoy's allegations -- on the web with a VERY big grain of salt. No one but BillyBoy and HooBoy (and SeanWorldEscort and HooBoy) know the real reason for their very public, and very ugly disputes. Everyone should keep that in mind.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Is HooBoy under some form of obligation to provide this site for free? It's his site, he can do what he wants; and if he wants to hold up a tin cup, what's it to you? If you don't feel like pitching a dime, then don't. I really don't understand all this whining about *completely* inconsequential matters. If you guys have constructive criticism to offer, dole it out. But all this endless petty carping... (shakes head)

 

Esc-Tracker

[Boston Guy]

Web sites are created and managed for different purposes. Sometimes the owner of the site is trying to support a cause he or she fervently believes in. And sometimes the site is purely commercial and up front about that: if you go to the Macy's site, for example, you will not find them claiming they are supporting a good cause (other than Macy's, of course).

 

This site seems to fall somewhere in the middle. I've always suspected that HB believes he is doing something worthwhile here. At the same time, he seems quite bright and I have suspected for an equally long time that he'd like to this site make money -- and quite rightly so.

 

As an entrepreneur, I firmly believe in the fine art of making money. And if you can make money doing something you really like to do, then I think that's a really good thing and people who are doing so shouldn't be criticised just because they're making a profit. It's called being a good businessman.

 

Running a Web site involves a number of different costs. Some technology costs are either one-time costs or costs that recur occasionally. Buying your own server(s) or buying supporting software (like the bulletin board software) fall into this category. Getting a reasonably simple site up and running, if you take the approach of buying hardware yourself, might cost a few thousand dollars. If you put the site on hardware owned by your ISP and you create the site yourself -- not really so hard to do if you use reasonable tools -- you can have a perfectly fine site up and running for a few hundred dollars of startup costs.

 

Complex sites cost more to create and to maintain. This is not a very complex site, and I don't mean that in any negative sense. The bulletin board software is pretty self-contained and easy to use. The other parts of the site are the options on the Main page: the reviews, email, etc. These sections are most likely made up of a fair number of HTML documents that HB maintains.

 

I really hope he is using a good set of tools to maintain the site, although he could be doing it with Microsoft Word. If I were suddenly given the task of creating and maintaining the site, I would choose to use Dreamweaver because Dreamweaver would make it easy to do. Dreamweaver costs around $300 to buy.

 

All told, the cost of creating a site like this -- not including the cost of labor -- should be under $5000 and might well be under $1000, depending upon whose hardware is being used. The cost of labor should not be disregarded; it's just hard to estimate because it can vary so much, depending upon who does it and what tools they use. If someone creates their own site for fun, then the true cost of the labor could be argued to be zero or could be considered to be the opportunity cost of not doing something else, which might be very high. So it's hard to quantify.

 

After startup costs, there are ongoing costs. Extremely high-volume sites (like EBay) have very high costs associated with throughput. Low-volume sites literally cost no more than tens of dollars per month to run and there are lots of places where a site can be maintained at essentially no cost.

 

I don't what the volume is here, but if HB is paying more than some small number of hundreds of dollars per month, then he probably should look for another ISP, although certainly a lot of ISP's would not accept this site because of its content.

 

Finally, HB is updating the site daily. That takes time and effort. As in creating the site, it's very difficult to quantify the cost. If he spends a couple of hours every day, I would imagine that a task that started out being really fun has gotten to be something of a pain in the ass. If it's a couple of hours per day, that's a quarter-time job and he could reasonably think of it as relaxation and assign no value for it, or think of it as a quarter-time job that he should be paid for a professional rates. Either approach is defensible and the only person whose opinion counts is HB's: he owns the site and the business and he can organize it exactly the way he wants to.

 

Of course, if he wants the site to continue then, like any business, he has to market it carefully, make sure the people who are consuming the product are reasonably happy with it, and organize the finances in such a way that the business can keep going.

 

So if HB wants to make $50,000 per year from this site, that's his decision. If he wants to donate his time and just see it break even, that's his decision, too. The cost of running it is probably pretty low and it would seem that the revenue from ads should cover it. But the money HB wants to take from it to cover the time he spends is real and I would consider it part of the cost of the running the site and I don't begrudge him if he wants to make money for the time he spends working on the site.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

I currently have 8 web pages up and running at a cost of 97 dollars a month. I'm also good friends with many Escort Web Masters and the cost really isn't that high.

[Guest Jason Coxx]

>I currently have 8 web pages

>up and running at a

>cost of 97 dollars a

>month. I'm also good friends

>with many Escort Web Masters

>and the cost really isn't

>that high.

 

But how much bandwith are your sites using?

 

Jason Coxx

http://www.jasoncoxx.com

917-242-8307

[Barry]

Exactly Jason. The cost isn't in the site or even the disk space. It's all about bandwidth and boy can that be expensive.

[+ bigjoey]

seanworldescort's pages are static and he is using pictures a decade (or more) old. there is almost no time involved for him. updating hooboy's site daily and answering emails takes alot of time. i consider it like public tv; i voluntarily contribute to both because i use the sites for information (hooboy's site has a great listing of escorts by area; especially good for traveling) and entertainment (especially seanworldescort's rantings; his newest one on billyboy's site was a scream).i contribute to both public tv and here but would find it interesting for hooboy to have a fund raising auction like public tv or stores like public tv's store of knowledge chain (recently bankrupt). hooboy could sell coffee mugs and umbrellas like public tv, too.

 

i have never felt pressure to contribute to either except to support what i use. if this site went dark, i would miss it. any money hooboy makes probabally does not cover his time and the hassle. if he comes out ahead, good for him. the people on public tv and behind the scenes get paid, too; they are not volunteers.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

BigJoey, When are you gonna give this shit up? You're a wart dicked dried up old troll. Now get over it! As far as my pics being a decade old, that's just nonsense. Next! As far as bandwidth, I use quite a bit, some of my sites are 8 to 12 pages long. So......hope that answers your questions.

[BewareofNick]

>BigJoey, When are you gonna give

>this shit up? You're a

>wart dicked dried up old

>troll. Now get over it!

>As far as my pics

>being a decade old, that's

>just nonsense. Next! As far

>as bandwidth, I use quite

>a bit, some of my

>sites are 8 to 12

>pages long. So......hope that answers

>your questions.

 

 

Here I am typing up this post and Sean once again shows his bad attitude...

 

>Well, well, well... First the Kyle

>File (with photo) & now

>this! Looks to me as

>if something is definitely coming

>unraveled--and it ain't this thread,

>folks. And, of course,

>it had to happen sooner

>or later.

>

>Whatever you think of Hooboy &

>this site, you owe it

>to yourself to listen to

>what BillyBoy has to say

>over at HIS site.

>(I'd put up the URL

>myself, but now that I'm

>'composing' this message, I can't

>get at it. Anyway,

>no matter how many times

>H removes it, someone is

>sure to post it all

>over again.)

 

Billy's site now asks for a member name and password

 

It occurs to me that Billyboy and Sean also underestimate the intelligence of the average reader here. We know when phony reviews are published: the Rainbow Boys are obviously submitting bogus reviews; Anthony Holloway has done so; Peter in Atlanta had a bad review from a client and then submitted his own positive review. We can spot them a mile away!

 

The thing that Kyle/Darin and Billyboy and Sean seem to forget is that a bogus negative review will not hurt an escort in the long run. Look at Lee from New Orleans. He recently got a bad review, and in his response, he confirmed what the reviewer said and he apologized. He asked us to judge him on the basis of his other reviews. He responded maturely and like an adult, unlike Kyle/Darin with his mile long diatribes and childish rants. He could have chosen to ignore them OR respond like an adult in a civil and mature manner, but he did not. The 'damage' caused to an escort is done by his own words and attitude, not by one single review.

 

The great thing about this site is the information that's there about the escort con artists: Anthony Holloway, OrlandoMassage4u, Kirk/Voltaire. It's invaluable to have a place like this to warn people about those who are unethical in their business practices.

 

I also have to wonder about someone like Billyboy who does THE VERY THING he complains about, posting under a false name and spreading hurtful information (whether it be true or false). If you are not an escort anymore, why are you still here? GET OVER IT! If you don't like what Hooboy does, stay away.

 

Other than the three escorts (Billy, Sean and Kyle/Darin) no one can confirm any of their allegations, but you kbow, just like I stated above, these three 'negative reviews' are not going to color my opinion of Hooboy. The hatefulness, deception and attitudes of the three involved reveal them for who they truly are.

 

AS for the other questions: why did Hooboy do this? Why did he do that? Why didn't he...? He's HUMAN and humans make errors.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Furthermore I haven't posted anything on BillyBoys site.

[BewareofNick]

You can't get on Billyboy's site without a member name or password!

[Guest 7Zach]

It's so silly and offensive to complain that Hooboy is making money, or that his expenses are not as high as he says they are. Aktol closed its escort forums cuz it was using too much bandwidth, and I guess the people using the escort forum were not renting that many videos.

I was glad that Hooboy set this site up; it's been fun, it's entertaining, and usually informative (even always informative if u can read between the lines and guess right).

I hope he makes a profit or has instead a goal on how to make money off this site. He came up with the idea, put in the time, effort and money, and I hope he reaps something from it, be it profit or just makes him feel good.

And more power to him if his costs are ridiculously low, and that he can load the new reviews daily in 5 minutes, and respond to his emails in 10. Who cares? I appreciate the site.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

CZ,

 

I think your credibility engine is running on empty...

 

What is your agenda??

 

It cannot be Hoo’s Tin Cup because your giving is not cumpulsory.

 

It cannot be that he’s libled you, at least as I recall under this screen name.

 

It cannot be that he has forcefully subjected you to this website, aspects of which you seem to find offensive and distasteful, because you attend at your own discretion.

 

I think many want to know the true source (beyond your own control) of your discontent.

 

So please tell us... it might just generate some genuine sympathy.

[Guest Bryan Young]

LAST EDITED ON May-06-01 AT 12:45PM (EST)[p]>BigJoey, When are you gonna give

>this shit up? You're a

>wart dicked dried up old

>troll. Now get over it!

>As far as my pics

>being a decade old, that's

>just nonsense. Next! As far

>as bandwidth, I use quite

>a bit, some of my

>sites are 8 to 12

>pages long. So......hope that answers

>your questions.

 

When replying to Sean, Billy, or other irrational subjects, we should remember one thing that my Mother always told me as a child, "Never wrestle with a pig...Because both of you get dirty, but the pig likes it."

[Guest Stephan-Lacoste]

I like that one

 

Stephan Lacoste

1-310-739-7842

http://www.stephanlacoste.com

[marc anthony]

Now there's the Bryan I know and love! Witty, understated, and yet extremely clear. You've "growed up good". I have no real reason to take any credit for it, but I feel proud anyway! LOL! Good health, good fortune, good luck to you!

[Guest AllAmerEscrt]

*** COPY OF POST FROM SUBJECT REGARDING "THREAD REMOVAL" ***

 

Wow, I guess you could say that I am a little confused. I do not know all, or even much of any, that happened between Hooboy and Billy. I have read contributions made to this site by both and have corresponded with Hooboy via email from time to time, as he has always offered an enlightening view to whatever topic my email concerns. I have read just about all of the posts about the unfortunate resulting relationship between the 2 of them. I then remembered back to when I first began visiting this site that Billyboy had hosted one of the chats. I reviewed his chat from May of 2000, and pulled a few excerpts that I found interesting...

 

<Billyboy> I hope you guys appreciate

hooboy...he goes through a lot to provide this

service for you guys...He's a fucking saint

<Billyboy> Hoo, I love you

<Billyboy> you silly goose

<Billyboy> Hooboy has been dealt a shit hand

<Billy: I haven't been dealt a shit hand, my

sister has.

<Billyboy> and the people on his site deal him more

undeserved shit...he should get an

award or be nominated for sainthood

<Billyboy> If any of you met Hooboy, you'd love him

immediately

<Billyboy> He's extremely loveable and taken for granted

way too fucking much

<Billyboy> You are the world hoo

 

 

Those were Billyboy's own words from just a year ago. I realize that relationships, even ones that seem to have their roots firmly in place, can be destroyed in a mere fraction of the time some took to build. If you notice, Billyboy makes reference to having knowledge of Hooboy having "been dealt a shit hand... and the people on his site deal him more undeserved shit..." Aside from reading the actual recorded account of Billy's feelings, I then chatted with a veteran of this site and somewhat of a "friend" at one time to Billy. I was told that "they had a nice friendship for a while". I guess the reason I even offer this post is not to discredit Billy, (although it seems he has been lashing out after being hurt either by his guilty actions or the embarrassment of being exposed) but to give my own personal account in regard to my experience with this site. I can honestly say that in the almost 3 years I have been escorting, the past year, of which I became affiliated with this site, has been the best year by far. Along with experience, I owe a lot of the difference to Hooboy's site. Not only is it a tool for men who are looking to hire an escort, but it is a "community" that allows people the opportunity to admire the success of some of the veteran escorts and learn from the mistakes of or bad examples set by others. I am not going to go on about all the positive aspects of this site, cause I know some of the longer posts can tend to wear people out. I do want to say that Billy is entitled to his opinion, as we all are, but there is something to be said for tact. Having lost some credibility over submitting Negative reviews of escorts out of spite, it seems as though his pride has also allowed any dignity to be pulled down with him. There are sooooo many ways to resolve undesirable relationships, and being an antagonist only illustrates a childish nature. Although we have all chosen a more childlike way to handle situations, there is much to be proud of when we think before we act, and then conduct ourselves like adults.

Hooboy, the only bit that I might highlight is from one of the posts I read from Bryan Young about some childhood advice he follows: "Never wrestle with a pig...Because both of you get dirty, but the pig likes it." I commend you for making a decision, voicing it in a "politically correct" manner, and standing firm on it. You can now let Billy be his own demise, being that he has become someone he showed a sincere distaste for at one time ("people on his site deal him more undeserved shit). Thank you for all the work you do on this site, and I hope others can identify some of the reward, no matter how significant, your time and effort provide.

Matt

Tampa

http://www.allamericanmat.cjb.net

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Another brown nosing suck up hooker!

[Guest Big14U]

It's been a while since I've posted but this one gets me riled up. As someone who has operated a web site for a very long time I cannot understand the reasoning of some of the people here.

A website consists of more than just putting pretty pictures and words together. It's hours and hours of time determining the format you want your site to have. Then hours and hours of working out all the little problems that are bound to happen. A website is Work. Period. Hoo has to post everyday along with checking out each review to attempt to weed out the fools who write their own reviews.

One that has a lot of traffic also inccreases costs. I know that this site has a lot of traffic. Lots of folks just peruse and don't comment or contribute.

While not one of us is a saint in our lives I'm sure that most of us strive to do what we can to make our lives more enjoyable, and we also appreciate those that help make it more so.

So Hoo Thanks!! for the site and for making some of our lives a bit more enjoyable.

 

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[Guest cmp]

While this is not a poll, I certainly go with the majority of the posters in this thread. This is a really helpful site in more then one way and the effort that Hoo is putting into it is so evident that I cannot see how it can even be questioned. Thanks Hoo! I hope you can eventually make some profit out of it, you deserve it (or at least cover the costs). Thanks again, keep it up, and don't let anyone deter you from your efforts.

[Guest AllAmerEscrt]

Sean,

I don't know you, and I don't see you on my list of people I would like to know. All I can say is that I simply offered, from my personal experience with this site, the truth about my experience with Hooboy. From the time I discovered and became associated with this site, I have emailed Hooboy to ask a simple question or for advise about how to handle different situations. I am sorry if you feel that I am "sucking up" by offering testimony of the support i got from Hooboy, when in actuality I am just showing respect to someone who never had to answer any of my emails. I know you won't lose any sleep over it, but your insulting display of an obviously negative attitude is not attractive.

Matt

[Traveller]

Where's this Billyboy post? And is this the one that had the meltdown? He's crispy. Why listen to anything he has to say?

 

Later.

[Guest shadow]

>He's crispy.

 

What do you mean by "crispy"?

I'm trying to add to my vocabulary here