cash or charge ???

[Guest HornyPony]

ok - I'm continuing with my Pre-escorting investigation ( should start working in about a month or so ...) in2 this World of Lust , Sleaze and Passion - here's my next question ( for both Clients and escorts : )

 

When money is concerned , i know from a friend of mine that works for an agency that they have to collect the money before anything happens with the client ...

how do most of u work ? take the money on your way out ?

what's safer Legal-wise ?

for larget sums ( weekends , over-nights , traveling etc ...) do u split up the bill ? do u take checks ?

 

any info would make me so much happier and confident -

these boards are so informative and fun - thank u all .

 

HP

[Justice]

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Checks can be problematic -- they can bounce and the administrative fees associated with business checking accounts can quickly add up. (IMHO, you should get a business checking account if you're going to accept checks. Your personal account should be kept separate from your escorting life.) (Sean and Casey -- who are partners who escort out of Chicago -- require money orders in certain instances. Check out their web site for further details.) http://seanandcasey.com

 

There's administrative fees associated with credit cards, but I think they're actually a good idea -- especially at tax time -- because they'll allow you to track your income. Very few independent escorts accept credit cards.

 

With regard to the timing of when you are paid. If you scan the reviews, you'll note many complaints about escorts asking for money upfront. Most clients seem to prefer paying at the end of the scene. (This does not seem to apply to longer scenes. I've only hired for short scenes so that's what my advice is all about.) Regulars to this site are probably going to barf because I've told this story many times (sorry guys!), but in this case its worth repeating. My very first experience with an escort was with an escort who worked for an agency in New York. I used the agency's fantasy service to set up a very detailed fantasy scene. (My fantasy was so specific that I even specified the type of underwear that I wanted him to wear.) At the agency's request, the final details of the fantasy were spelled out in a very detailed e-mail. (The escort later told me that he couldn't believe how much detail I went into.) Since I was dealing with an agency, I didn't have any contact with the escort until we met. When we finally got together, he asked for his money upfront, noted that he had read my e-mail but that he needed to hear what I wanted us to do together "in your own words." I almost bolted at that point. I thought that his request was dangerously close to soliciting and that I had somehow managed to get caught up in an undercover sting operation. (The fear of getting arrested is always in the back of my mind.) To this day, I don't know how I was able to summon up the courage not to run. Although he and I wound up having a very good time together, the whole experience was so unnerving that I almost decided to stop seeing escorts.

 

I'm now seeing independent escorts. I like being able to talk directly to the guy that I'm going to be seeing. I work out the details of the scene in advance (usually in a series of e-mails)and I discuss money in a conversation that's totally separate from the scene. (I never discuss money in writing. That's always done on the phone.) It's annoying to have to have two separate conversatons, but its what works for me. Also, your fee is for you time only. Nothing else.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Justice

[adriano46]

Horny Pony

 

I see you really Are doing your "homework" before you jump in, and that makes good sense (and I can hardly wait for the premier).

 

On the payment question, much of what Justice wrote is true. I usually exchange e-mails for quite some time with a perspective escort before we meet, setting up (hopefully) a sphere of trust between us (sometimes including a phone conversation... as if the guy has a "not-too-masculine voice... I bow out of the appointment). I explain in detail my own expectations and invite the escort to detail his interest or limits accordingly.

 

Admittedly some of the busier escorts have difficulty keeping all these details in mind (and I cannot fault them as I have terrible memory myself). However, when a guy does remember an important detail, it enhances the encounter all the more :-) !

 

As for money, if the meeting is for anywhere from one to three hours, I have the envelope with money clearly out on a bureau or desk for the escort to see (and even count if he so desires) before we do much. I have never (fortunately) encountered any escort who demanded payment before anything else... but I am an educated consumer and read reviews here before calling anyone.

 

In the beginning I think you would be best to avoid credit cards (and never accept checks). You will have to set up a cash base for your work (I assume) and... there is always the question of money coming out of nowhere and finding its way into your bank account. What Justice mentions too about keeping your personal/private life separate from your business life is excellent advice.

 

Good luck and know we in NYC are awaiting ;-)

[Will]

HP, I second all of Adriano's comments, including his eagerly anticipating your professional debut. (Will you have a Coming Out party?) As you ask for opinions about money, I'll offer mine. There will be other, and differing, opinions, but it might help to be able to entertain options.

 

First, if I have done my homework on this board, have gone to the trouble to locate an escort, have exchanged e-mails and telephone calls with him, I think it's reasonable to expect him to trust me and my integrity as much as I trust him and his. Therefore, if an escort walked in the door and wanted his money up front, all he'd get from me would be a refusal

[+ Charlie]

Actually, the agencies that I have used regularly do NOT tell the escort to ask for the money in advance. I think most clients prefer to pay after services have been rendered, since demanding money beforehand implies either that the client isn't trusted or that the escort is interested only in the money, neither of which enhances the sexual experience. I am always hesitant to pay an independent escort if he wants the money immediately, unless I have some reason to feel he is going to be reliable. By the way, very few clients are likely to stiff you if you are on their territory, such as a home or hotel room, because they are more vulnerable to embarrassing consequences there. Try not to count the money too obviously, but remember that clients can make mistakes with cash, particularly if there are a lot of small bills. All the above comments refer to first time meetings; on subsequent encounters it doesn't matter when money is exchanged.

 

Very few independent escorts take credit cards in my experience, and I always prefer to pay cash anyway, unless I am dealing with a reputable agency; even then I use cash to tip the escort personally.

[Guest exarmy]

Hey there fellas with no life (just kidding) on your two cents about whether its cool for escort to ask for money up front (my knowledge having been an escort in past) is you haveforgoten one very important thing!!! Your opinion is not the only one in this transaction (beleive it or not) I and many escort still in the trade, and retired,(yes some do retire for good) have many more stories to tell from the other side of the coin! We have been burnt by clients countless times, do you think its only the escort side that has disfunctional people in it???? You cant even begin to imagine what we incounter. Now I have met some of the most amazing men while escorting (I met my Lover of 5 years who now ownes a home with me and we have a great and very adjusted kid. Now back to topic at hand- Can you imagine having sex with a 300bl man who is sweating on you and has crazy eyes and smells of B.O.,and has rotten teeth, and you stayed and did your duties like a professional should and after words he starts to get dressed in a hurry and starts walking out and you say "excuse me, can we take care of the financial part of the deal"? and He sayes" I forgot to bring my money and starts to run for the door WHAT DO YOU DO (if YOU ARE ONE OF THE LARGER ESCORTS LIKE JAKE or look like state trooper like Maxx (escorts in Providence RI) You might be able to scare them into paying(both escorts by the way are very nice guys) but if you are smaller or dont want to risk police being involved (I have had this happen and I is not pleasant!) Also Johns how say oh I thought it was $75.00 (and no "TRAVELER" this is not because they were unhappy with service) You guys should be ashamed of yourselves writing day in and day out about how bad escorts are when they dont jump threw hoops for you (do you keep yourself looking good for them, do you never cancel?? You have no idea how many Johns cancel because there lovers or wives came home, or they shot a load in shower, or decided not to spend money or got a call from other 5 escorts they calld at the same time as you and one was cheaper(You get what you pay for! is that how the saying goes?) Or you get caught in bed with married man and have to run out door etc. This job is not as easy as you computer and escort junkies think! Now again I repeat there are some great guys out there, and I have had some great sex! (some of best times in whole life) but escorts are also treated very badly (have you ever escorted In New England???? The guys are as hard to deal with as they say the escorts are (Kind of mean and cold) When escorts (including myself) travel they hardly ever have had this problem. California-Nice, guys midwest-Really nice guys. South and southwest-Awsome! now as I say this realize that everyone has diferant experiances, and that these are not just my vewies but a lot of escorts I know. If an Escort askes for money up front it is to protect his business! if you do not feel comfortable with this suggest giving half up front and half after words and for Gods sake dont try to haggale! (andalso stay away from this Anthony Holloway guy I know who he is and he just burnt a lawyer,(Bad move!)Can you imagine how you would feel If ecort got there and looked at you and said I would like 300 instead of 190! that would be rude! And as to amount well you have to consider travel, workout(looking good is very expensive) and time involved(ad what he is doing, it takes a lot out of you phisically and mentally(it is an energy exchange between people that is usually not that frequent, unless they are sex junkie) so my point is to put yourself in other shoes as escorts should do as well, and when you read bad review on a business that is as old as time(and was untill now a descreat and special meeting between two consenting adults (unless it was with a young one.)Remember that youare not buying a washer,and tat there are always going to changes and problems can come up. This sit is cool and all but I think ho boy and daddy should rethink letting over opinionated and unhappy guys vent all there frustrations to the world as well as potentially opening Pandoras box sence this website has drawn unwanted attention because guys are allowed to be to grafic during there so called "companion visit" please be les grafic so police will not have written evidence of account! Now enjoy and just get along! If you are not happy with Escort on to the next, and the same goes for escort with John. Thank you for your ear (or should I say Eyes) and have a great day and remember "Its suppost to be fun" ANd one more thing, next time you get together with a stranger try being the way you want to be treated and If he does not like what you like be a little more flexable and have fun! yours trully "Tired of negative crap"

[Losgatan]

Charlie raises an interesting point about tips. I think you are much more likely to receive a tip if you ask for the money after the session.

 

As other threads on the board have mentioned, not all clients are willing to tip an independent escort. But, I like to do it if the session has been a particularly good one. And I can't judge that until it's over.

[CT Dick]

RE: Tipping

 

I have offered my opinions on tipping on plenty of other threads.

 

I do have this to add: I would NEVER tip an escort who asked for the money up front. If he wants to complete the finances then, I'm not going back to it after the session and I"m certainly not tipping before I know how the session will be.

[Guest HornyPony]

i love u guys already ..

 

sorry - no coming out party ...

A - i cannnot afford it at the moment .

B - i already came out .

C - u can still send over the presents , if U've prepared 'em already ...

 

 

XXX

HP .

[Bilbo]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-01 AT 08:31AM (EST)[p]HP, there are closets within closets beside closets. For example, many gay sons of Republican parents often have to come out to themselves not only as gay but also as liberals. It's also like virginities - see Zorba the Greek, better yet read it. So, what would you like us to refer to this party as - your Debutante Ball?

 

As far as not being able to afford it, silly, you shouldn't be the one paying for it. Either charge the guests to attend or allow a couple of them to throw it for you.

 

Love, Bilbo,a hairy Irishman who tries to never miss an opportunity to celebrate

[Guest HornyPony]

and someone once told me that us jews are the ones that know how to make a buck out of almost anything ....

 

 

HP

[Guest DickHo]

>how to make

>a buck out of almost

>anything ....

>

>

Mmm, a pony and a buck? Where do we get in line for this ride?

 

And to quote Carly:

 

"Anticipation, anticipation

Is makin' me late

Is keepin' me waitin'"

[Will]

Yesterday the net was very slow and/or my machine timed out while waiting for my message to post. Therefore, it's incomplete. For what it's worth, this is the complete message that I intended to send. As you'll see, it has a "Second" to follow the "First."

 

HP, I second all of Adriano's comments, including his eagerly anticipating your professional debut. (Will you have a Coming Out party?) As you ask for opinions about money, I'll offer mine. There will be other, and differing, opinions, but it might help to be able to entertain options.

 

First, if I have done my homework on this board, have gone to the trouble to locate an escort, have exchanged e-mails and telephone calls with him, I think it's reasonable to expect him to trust me and my integrity as much as I trust him and his. Therefore, if an escort walked in the door and wanted his money up front, all he'd get from me would be a refusal and cab fare if he was sufficiently polite. I don't pay my doctor, my lawyer, or even my plumber before they do their job, and I feel that way about escorts. Payment follows, not precedes, service. Most important, it's tacky. Some of us clients like to establish the pleasant fiction -- which we KNOW is a fiction -- that we are spending the evening with someone with whom we have a genuine human relationship founded on trust and mutual affection. That means that I, for example, like to go out to dinner, to the theater, to have an actual conversation about actual issues. Paying for all that up front would be such a turn-off that I doubt I could get back in the mood even with an overnight intravenous Viagra drip.

 

Second, I myself would not want to use a credit card, though others might. On the other hand, I must say that I don't like having that much cash on hand if it's to be an overnight. Fortunately, I've never had a mishap, but the idea of having a thousand dollars or more in my pocket is unattractive. I'd much rather buy a postal money order. It's perfectly legal tender; the escort can cash it at any post office; and m.o.'s are easy to buy no matter where you are, so long as you have a debit card in your pocket.

[Bilbo]

My mother's side is almost pure Scots.

[adriano46]

Hey Ex...

 

I wrote a reply but my own computer time doed down and it never got posted.

 

That said, I find your many views and suggestions interesting and in many ways echo my own thoughts (from the client side).

 

I hope people take the time to read your response through slowly and carefully. One point you bring up is interesting in being "less graphic" on what takes place with a guy... I shy away from graphics at times - and confess that at other times the passion of the moment gets my writing skills going...

 

Anyway thanks for taking the time to present your views.