Life After Escorting?

[ready4boi]

I noticed escorts announcing that they are "retiring" but are they really? Later some are right back escorting again. I was wondering if anyone knows escorts who have truly retired from the business because I often wonder if it is actually possible. Quite a few escorts have told me that once you start you can never really stop. I don't know of any that have successfully made the transition with the exception of one who has gone on "hiatus" to do porn videos. Of course I've heard the Joey Stefano style endings, a descent into drugs and crime and even worse - death for some. Then there are others who may find a temporary sugar daddy or two for a little while but are not gone long. I've often wondered about a handful I've known who got older, lost their luster, and faded away into oblivion. Not to sound abysmal but I find it hard to imagine that they move to a house with a white picket fence with the Mrs. to live a "normal" life and have the 1.2 kids with the money they've saved over the years for an early retirement.

[+ bigjoey]

i know of three that have retired well. one was straight and now married(his wife knows all) and very happy; he took a two thirds pay cut to marry and lead a normal life. another saved his money and is now in real estate on the west coast, doing well and happy. a third is now doing photo shoots for magazines and websites that need x-rated photos. so yes, some do retire successfully without a sugar daddy. none of these will be back.

 

there are some who could retire but really enjoy what they are doing. they like the affection and attention. the money is good and often really enjoy the sex and pleasing others. they are happy making others happy.

[Michael]

I can think of two that I know of for sure, and a couple of others who I suspect have probably "retired" successfully but, since I am no longer in touch with them I can't be sure.

 

Both the ones that I know of were using escorting as a means of paying their way through college - one of them stopped pretty much as soon as he graduated (he went on to become an attorney), the other one continued to escort for about another 18 months before settling down and getting a "real" job.

[Rod Hagen]

I think a lot of escorts who try to retire receive a slap in the face when they realize the differences between a standard job and escorting (a difference they may have forgotten in the interim between the two). You can't sleep in, the amount of sex you have time for is cut in half, you replace quick piles of cash with a steady income, and the sense of adventure is lost. Who'd want to give all that up? Well, unfortunately we all will have to some day-there may be a few escorts in their 50s, but not a significant number-but it's a lot to give up, so when some try and realize that and also realize that they don't HAVE to give it up yet, they come back I suppose.

 

Personally, I've worried about this many times. I have no doubt that I can make just as much money in the real world, I did before, BUT what about the sex, and the attention, and my freedom? This morning I woke up early so that I could lift weights for 2.5 hours and NOW I am going to go skiing for the rest of the day. Yesterday I did the same thing but I went mountain Biking instead of skiing; tomorrow I could go rock climbing or surfing. You just can't do that shit on weekdays in a 7a-5p job. You can't sleep in when you don't either. Shit, I think I just talked myself into re-negotiating my contract for another year (wait, I don't have a contract.....).

 

-Hagen

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

[ready4boi]

I guess it is easier for some to walk away from it than others. I'd assume the straight ones who basically do private shows that are an like an extension of their stage routines don't experience the same effects. They're more or less dabbling in it. Never going too close to the flame so to speak. It was interesting to hear an actual escort's feelings about it.

[adriano46]

Rod,

 

Based on experience :-9 I would easily hire you at 40, 50 and more!!!

[+ deej]

>I think a lot of escorts

>who try to retire receive

>a slap in the face

>when they realize the differences

>between a standard job and

>escorting (a difference they may

>have forgotten in the interim

>between the two).

>You can't sleep in, the

>amount of sex you have

>time for is cut in

>half, you replace quick piles

>of cash with a steady

>income, and the sense

>of adventure is lost.

 

Thanks for adding your $.02, Rod. I actually know a couple of working boys that retired and suffered exactly what you describe, but a couple others that managed to strike a balance.

 

One now owns & operates a successful art gallery, which seems to give him plenty of time and the financial freedom to continue traveling to the circuit parties he so loves. (And he has a knockout of a lover!) Another is retiring from both escorting and porn because back problems make it impossible to hit the gym and the effects are showing. He's *petrified* because his resume has very little on it for the last 5 years but escorting and porn, and a little temp work here and there.

 

It seems to be a mixed bag.

 

I'm very glad that most of the guys I've been with stay in touch with me. I've been able to see "the other side" through their eyes, and I've been able to help them out here and there.

[Guest EWC]

It strikes me that retiring from this would be no different than retiring from any other high paying gig where the perks are good. There are tons of pro athletes/actors/etc who have a good run, live well for awhile and fail to recognize that the nature of the industry that they are in is primarily a young mans game so to speak. When they no longer have a fast ball or scripts being sent to them, or rock hard abs and a full head of hair, they end up selling cars or something else because they didn't plan ahead.

[Justice]

For some people it is the ideal career. Now if only it were legal. (An arrest and/or conviction could haunt you for the rest of you life.) Sigh! :-(

[ready4boi]

Yes getting convicted of anything looks bad on a resume.

[ready4boi]

No I don't think some of the other careers compare. Look at Harrison Ford or Sean Connery. Also Clint Eastwood and Robert Redford are still doing their thing and Mel Gibson is getting up there. I don't know about a lot of you out there but none of these guys strike me as hotties and get my blood pumping. I was stunned by that one earlier comment. Are there really guys out there in their 50s escorting?

[Guest El Kabong]

>NOW

>I am going to go

>skiing for the rest of

>the day.

 

Geez, where ? Snow up here in NoCal is not so good any more.

 

BTW, my regular bottom has retired because he got a job that he always wanted. We've become friends, sort of. He "sees" only me and another guy from his old list. I don't think he needs the money, but he does miss some of the adventure, as you suggest.

[+ deej]

> Are there really guys

>out there in their 50s

>escorting?

 

Yes, there are. Check today's reviews. Mitch Allmond (Chicago) is not only escorting (at 49) he's apparently doing a damn fine job of it. Many of the porn stars that are discussed here are older than their "official" age. Cole Tucker is pretty open about being in his 40's.

 

Personally, my own taste runs towards the younger guys but I've had plenty of hot times with older men. There may not be as big a market for an older escort as for the young and pretty, but it's definitely there.

[ready4boi]

That's interesting to know. Cole Tucker is in super shape for his age so if they look like him I guess they can do fairly well over 40.

[Rod Hagen]

>Geez, where ? Snow up here

>in NoCal is not so

 

On that day, Mt Baldy. The conditions were very nice, for SoCal, and I always enjoy that resort. It's very retro. Actually, it reminds me of skiing in Eastern Europe, which I love.

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

[Guest Brenden Knight]

I myself have retired, returned...etc.

There are alot of tradeoffs to both sides.

Escorting Pros: already listed except for a couple,help people fulfill thier fantasies or help them in developing thier sexuality and having fun. Get to see the world (I myself have been to Japan twice, Australia twice, Europe a number of times, South America, USVI's, Bahamas, Hawaii.....etc.

Escorting Cons: Can't really plan your own freetime for fear of missing out on potential monies. No benefits like insurance, workman's comp, dental...etc. No future or chance for promotion.Unless someone discovers you as an actor/model/sugarbaby and those present a new usually short lived set of problems similar. Potential for being abused/killed/hurt.No dependable income.

Working Pros: Steady income, usually room for advancement. Contributing to society in a VISIBLY positive way.Benefits.

Cons: When you're broke you're broke til payday. Monotany.

Stagnant working conditions. Limited freedom for traveling.

 

So, you have some tradeoffs and they are quite apparent. Depending on where you're at in your life or what you want at the moment. You may decide whether you want to do it, transition from one to another or do both simultaneously...

[Guest dandday]

I think it depends a lot on the escort. I know five or six who have quit for good and gone on to lead productive lives. Why they were escorting, in the first place, may determine how well retirement will go for them. I do not know one who misses the business. When one reaches their goal, or meets that special someone, they retire for good. Finding a sugardaddy is NOT RETIRING, you are still whoring!

 

My partner escorted for 12 years, saved $500,000. and quit the business the day we met. I owned one small hotel in Seattle. He wanted to invest with me so in his words we "would have too much to lose to ever breakup". We formed a hotel holding company and today own 7 upscale hotels in Seattle, Portland and now San Francisco, with a new property set to open in September in San Diego. We both own equal shares in the company and there is no way we could have grown from one hotel in 1995 to 7 today without his investment.

 

We just celebrated our 6th aniversary last month, are still very much in love and both a lot richer in every sence of the word. So all of you doubting Thomas's out there, yes, it can happen.

[marc anthony]

Danday, that is a great story! Congratulations to you and your partner... but your post made me think of an entirely unrelated issue that is very interesting to me as well. Obviously you are both very happy together, yet you still must hire escorts. Do you hire them separately or as a couple? Do you mind when each one does... and does your partner have any "flashbacks" about his past when you are using an escort? I often wonder what escorts or former escorts think about when they hire one of their own. It is just kind of interesting to me. If it is something you rather not discuss on a message board, of course I would understand.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>I often wonder what escorts or former escorts think about when they hire one of their own<

 

I was recently hired by a psychologist who had put himself through grad school by escorting. He said he employed escorts quite often as he could now afford to, and in his words, he felt as if he'd like to give back to the industry that had given so much to him. We had a great time. Really nice and a fascinating character. We talked quite a bit (and scrumped quite a bit), and it was odd because not only could he get inside my head as an ex-escort and then as a psychologist, but he also got way inside me as a client. Talk about a mindfuck. For our next visit, we jokingly planned to barter an even exchange of services; sex for analysis. Now what's the legality of that I wonder? (I'm sure I know the answer)

 

joey

http://www.manicpress.com/joey

[Guest Traveler]

>Escorting Cons: Can't really plan your

>own freetime for fear of

>missing out on potential monies.

>No benefits like insurance, workman's

>comp, dental...etc

 

Well, health and dental insurance are easy to buy on you own. It's actually quite cheap in one's 20s and 30s, as most escorts are (in one's 20s its REALLY cheap!). Workmen's Comp insurance probably isn't needed in escorting, because I can't imagine how one could injure oneself on the job escorting (someone might bite the escort's cock by mistake??). Social security and disability insurance are real issues, although I think you'd be better off if you paid the money that would have gone to social security and invested it. Alternatively, you could probably declare all or a good deal of your income, and contribute to social security. Are there any escorts reading this who've done this? How did you finance retirement? Any escort reading this set up a 401(k) plan?

[Rod Hagen]

To be specific on that particular day I snowboarded, not skied.

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

[Justice]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-01 AT 04:21PM (EST)[p]>Social security and

>disability insurance are real issues,

>although I think you'd be

>better off if you paid

>the money that would have

>gone to social security and

>invested it. Alternatively, you

>could probably declare all or

>a good deal of your

>income, and contribute to social

>security.

 

Its a VERY good idea for escorts to file quarterly self-employed tax returns, report some level of income, and pay all local, state and federal income taxes -- including social security -- that is associated with that reported income. If an escort is ever busted, there is a possibility that he may have to face tax evasion charges in addition to the prostitution related charges. Tax evasion charges are usually felonies. Also, even though social security -- as we know it -- will probably be very different when most twenty-somethings reach retirement age, it's still a good idea for them to contribute to it so they can reap whatever benefits are available when they finally do retire.

 

As for disability insurance, well escorts have sex with lots of partners. That could result in an STD, so disability insurance is also a very good idea.

[CT Dick]

Dandday, that is quite a savings! If you lover charged $200 per client he would have had to entertain 300 per year for 12 years just to get $500,000.

Then there is the money he needed to live.

[Losgatan]

Maybe he specialized in $1000 overnights?

[Michael]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-26-01 AT 06:36PM (EST)[p]Actually, by my arithmetic 200 x 300 x 12 comes to $720,000 ...

 

... and that's assuming that it was just held as cash.

 

I have to believe that someone sensible enough to attempt to accumulate a substantial net worth would have invested at least some of it.

 

Assuming a compound annual rate of return of 8.5%, a monthly saving of $2000 over a 12 year period would be sufficient to get you to $500,000.

 

So, the question becomes - is it plausible that a good full time escort could earn enough to be able to save $500 a week, and it seems to me that the answer is "yes".

 

Of course, if the escort in question had the same financial advisors as Hillary Clinton, then a much smaller investment might have been all that was necessary to produce such a return ;-)