How far can a fantasy go with an escort????????

[Guest ryan0889]

Here is a general question that I would love to hear some feedback on. Let's say that you have always had a really big fantasy about being able to put someone to sleep and then to do anything that you wanted to do with them sexually while they were unconsious? I know this sounds like "date rape", but is this a fantasy that is outside the scope of what an escort would ever provide? In a real date rape situation, the person does not know he/she is being drugged and is taken advantage of against their wishes. But if an escort agrees to an appointment of this nature, then is it o.k. to make an appointment happen under these conditions?

 

Also, I know that a lot of factors such as "trust" and just how do you "put someone to sleep" comes into play. I guess I am just a little curious to know if this fantasy is too wierd too ever happen with a "willing" escort. I have seen a few escorts who do advertise that they will do "anything", but I am curious to know if this is way to out there.

 

For the record, I would NEVER take advantage of someone against their will and I would NEVER date rape someone. I guess I am just trying to see if there is such a thing as an escort who will take on an appointment of this unique nature and who could help me to make it a reality?

 

Feedback?

[Rick Munroe]

I've actually played out this fantasy but I wasn't really knocked out...I pretended to be drunk & pass out on the bed and the guy had his way with me while I "slept." The only stipulation I made was that it had to be safe, as I'm negative and plan to stay that way. So...I had to break the fantasy just for a second to reach back and make sure there was a condom on that dick...but I did it in such a way that it seemed like I was just moving my arm in my sleep to scratch my leg. It worked for him and I had a great time, too. It was a very hot scene...I think the rape fantasy is probably the hottest one there is. I've also fucked a guy who had left his hotel room door ajar and was waiting for me face down on the bed. Different scene, since he was not "unconscious" but it was still a big turn-on to have your way with someone who has no control.

[Paul Revere]

Generally, I try not to judge other peoples tastes, or other peoples fantasies, BUT this seems to weird for anyone to agree to. The escort would really have to know you very well and trust you to be agree to be drugged like that. I have no interest in drugging anyone, or myself, for any purpose. Wanting to drug someone for a sexual fantasy seems to me to be crossing the line.

 

Besides, I think most escort arrangements/fantasies involve participation of the other party. I want my escorts, awake and active, and participating in the event. I try to stay away from escorts who are drinking or who are on any sort of drugs. Thankfully, I am usually atracted to those who are very health conscious, and stay away from drugs.

 

If you are looking for an escort who will just lay there, I think there have been plenty reviewed in the review section who would meet your needs.

 

Sorry if my judgement is too harsh, or that I just don't understand the fantasy, but you asked for feedback. Maybe the escorts would want to comment.

[Guest shadow]

Good luck.

[+ Charlie]

If this is really a "fantasy" scene, then I wonder why the escort has to be genuinely unconscious. I think any escort would be crazy to agree to what you are proposing, unless he knew you very well and trusted you profoundly; in fact,it sounds like the kind of excessive demand made by a very possessive lover who wants the beloved to "prove" his love, not a sexual bargain between equals. Despite your disclaimers, I think you should seriously examine why you need to have such total control over someone who is not only helpless but won't even know what you are doing. If you find the experience fulfilling, where do you go next?

[Justice]

I agree the whole premise of the scene is scary. I like the way Rick handled his clients request. If you really want to do this, than you should follow his suggestions to the letter.

[Guest curious2000]

Rick Monroe is just so classy and imaginative. I was surprised he responded so nicely to this. I for one find this scene very disturbing-sounds like it could be from a scene right out of "Hannibal". I cannot imagine any escort actually allowing himself to be completely knocked out and trusting you with what ever it is you are going to do. Or even trusting yourself. what is to keep you from completing your experiment and then vanishing into the night without paying the escort and leaving him there to wake up alone and unpaid and in God only know's what condition. It sounds like you want a necrophilia scene and that is just way over the limit.I would take Rick's lead and just ask an escort to "pretend" to be asleep and do what ever it is you want to do. It makes one wonder just what that would be since you really want him unconsious and he would never really know. uuugghh, that is just creepy!

[Guest steveNY]

This is a good example of why our agency, Maximum, started our fantasy service. Many people have fantasies that they want to act out, but either they don't know how to set it up themselves, don't have the time, or there are aspect of it that they don't know how to fully execute. The concerns and dangers in Ryan's "date rape" fantasy are minimized when it's set up through a third party, because all the specifics are attended to ahead of time, discussed, and worked out. Because of the attention we pay to detail, a client and escort know exactly how, when, where, and what will happen, and don't have to concern themselves with much more than just playing it out. The fantasy of "drugging" someone and having your way with them can be very hot, but prior to it happening there does have to be an understanding and a certain amount of trust. By acting as a bridge between the client and the escort we have been able to instruct both parties unbeknownst to each other about the specifics, which then creates the spontaneity neccessary to make a fantasy come to life and be "real". When you find an escort that is willing to explore your fantasy with you, from my experience, the most important thing is to be absolutely clear about all the details.

[Guest shadow]

Come on guys, don't be cruel

 

Maximum seems like the best bet for acting out this fantasy. Besides that maybe you could do it with a boy friend that you have established a close relationship with over many years. That will probably coincede with hell freezing over. Anyway, like I said, Maximum seems like the best bet.

 

Of course I personally like 'em conscious, twitching and moaning! Oh yeah, I've just gotten myself all hot and bothered. I think that I'll call up my favorite escort right now lol

[Guest albinorat]

>Rick Monroe is just so classy

>and imaginative. <

 

I don't even know Rick, but I've got a bud who thinks he's the very greatest the Deity ever put on earth.

 

I don't judge people's fantasies since I've got a few "weird" ones of my own. I do think though it ought to be said, substances that produce either unconsciousness or extreme "wooziness" are very dangerous under any circumstances even if you take them yourself.

 

Chloroform, roiphies and good ole chloral hydrate can all cause siezures, brain damage and at a minimum, stroke like symptoms that do not go away quickly. Different people react differently to dosages (which are hard to control) and to interaction with other drugs (even over the counter medications. Someone who has taken a cold pill, or took a sleeping pill the night before, a percentage of which is still in his system, could have a far more acute and dangerous reaction even to a small dose of one of these substances. Let's forget someone who has had a few beers or a drink or two).

 

I think the new vogue for "knocking people out" both in S&M and "vanilla" scenes is a dangerous one and that still doesn't address (as Rick did) issues of safer sex, or physical abuse.

 

I find the notion of an agency arranging for a fantasy scene a little strange; but I guess it does make sense in a way. I don't however buy that the feeling for the client would be all that "spontaneous". I know that in working out fantasies with escorts (and all of mine start with his safety and consent)the fun is laying out a ground plan and seeing what comes up (!) within the framework (with "safe word" and other precautions).

 

But maybe what Maximum offers really is a good thing.

 

Al

[Justice]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-01 AT 05:50PM (EST)[p]>Maximum seems like the best bet

>for acting out this fantasy.

 

 

I've used Maximum's fantasy service and enjoyed myself very much. Although in my case both the escort and I were conscious throughout the entire scene! ;-) The escort that I saw didn't work for Maximum very long. (Too bad -- he was very good at what he did! }>) If that same escort were to act out the above described fantasy, he would break the mood by asking for his money upfront and by telling the client that he had read his e-mail, but that he needed to hear the details of the fantasy in the client's "own words". (That's what happened in my case. I have a feeling that the escort was a little green and like I said he didn't work for Maximum very long.) If this particular client can find an escort who is willing to act out this particular fantasy, then he has to remember that the escort's safety and comfort is more important than the actual fantasy. As I noted in my previous post in this thread, Rick Munroe's suggestions on how to do the scene -- including having the escort pretend to be asleep and how he should check for a condom -- should be followed to the letter. Play safe!

 

Whoops! I gotta go! I'm meeting friends for dinner and then its off to Carnegie Hall! Enjoy Derek's chat to night. I can't wait to read the transcript!

[Guest Stephan-Lacoste]

Hi ryan0889 (J..)

Everyone has his own fantasies and everyone understand them differently. I really think that this fantasy is doable in one condition : That you do know the escort very well and the escort do know you very well.

I would not be suprised to hear an escort ( you have never met) just running away after asking that question.

But in any case it is not weird at all. This is my opinion.

Good luck

 

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[Guest ryan0889]

I want to take the opportunity to thank everyone for their respective inputs into my fantasy question. I especially appreciate the comments made by Rick, Maximus as well as my friend Stef LaCoste. I feel like I have been given a pretty good level of answers that helped me to see that this fantasy is a little outside of the scope of a willing escort.

 

The input that made the most sense was shown by Stef. He is correct that this scene may be a little too hard unless the escort really knows and trusts the client. Since escorts and clients are by definition usually distant from each other, I do not see any escort opening the doors of trust, etc. enough to allow this scene to become a reality (unless there is an escort out there that is willing that we have not heard from yet).

 

Again, my intentions was to get honest feedback from the room. I appreciate all of the inputs made and once again want to formally state that a fantasy is just that...a fantasy. Even though the conditions of my fantasy may seem excessive to some, it is just those made under a fantasy request. In real life (as previously mentioned, I would never hurt anyone or in anyway want to hurt anyone...escort or otherwise).

 

Special thanks to all that posted. Very good feedback.

[Guest MouthyGuy]

I think the most important thing to remember is that you are talking about a fantasy. But a fantasy can become a reality, with slight variation, that is playable. I am not an escort but I met a man online about 9 months ago who wanted me to show up at his apartment while he was sleeping and take advantage of him. I agreed, but only if he punished me in some way if I woke him up. I ended up cutting the briefs off him and having fun with his body (which reacted quite nicely) for about 45 minutes before I felt his hand grab me. I got my punishment! He loved what happened - and I would have sworn that he was asleep the whole time even though he wasn't. It worked for both of us.

 

So the reality is, you may have to adjust your fantasy, but not in a way that will affect the outcome of it