Kirk at the Gaiety?

[bill]

I was at The Gaiety Sunday night and saw the controversial Kirk in talking to Denise. Could it be he is coming out of retirement and returning to the stage?

[ready4boi]

Be afraid. BE VERY AFRAID. :o

[+ bigjoey]

still one of the most beautiful bodies in nyc. if he comes back, you don't have to hire him, just enjoy the show. i could watch him all day long.

[Traveller]

He's also great in the rack.

 

Later.

[ready4boi]

If Denise hires him back, she'll be losing me as a customer. She needs to draw the line with some of these sociopaths. There are plenty of other beautiful bodies much better than Kirk. There are plenty of hot guys in New York who aren't going to play lecherous games with the customers. Who needs con artists like him. Enough already with this guy. He really should just go away and stay away.

[Guest paulnyc]

I agree. He has cheated enough customers of the Gaiety to not be allowed to return ever! It doesn't matter that he has a good body. There are many others that are better and who don't take advantage of clients. I think we should all put pressure on Denise if she lets this scoundrel back in. I happened to see him tonight at Stella's and overhead him bragging that Denise is letting him return to Gaiety. Also, he is currently advertising in Next magazine as Dean, with the subheading, New to New York. His brother, Darren, is also in Next.

[Paul Revere]

I was also very surprised to see the infamous Kirk at the Gaeity this past Sunday night (11/19/00). He was in the ticket booth laughing and joking with Denise and chatting up the DJ. At first I thought that it might be one of the new dancers starting on Monday who stopped by to say "Hi", but then I realized that it was Kirk. It is a strange situation, but he and Denise seem to be friends. Go figure.

 

The good news is that the Sunday lineup was one of the best seven-men lineups I have seen at the Gaeity in a long time - Simon, Velentino, Sebastian, Alex, Jamie, Riccardo, and of course Andre (The Giant).

[ready4boi]

The biggest problem with The Gaiety has been and always will be Denise. Obviously since she's not a gay man herself, she clearly does not have the best interests of her customers who are primarily gay men in mind. The failed Gaiety site was another example. Many of us would like to know the line-up in advance but she is too lazy and above all just plain uninterested to provide the information for us. She just wants to get us through the turnstile. It truly is unfortunate especially with frauds like Kirk hanging around. Now the parasite is clawing his way back to his old tricks. No pun intended!

[NY Observer]

Not to come to Denise's defense, but..

 

1. She attempts to put a lineup in the Village Voice each week. Of course, this doesn't come out until mid-week and frequently has the wrong lineup.

 

2. The reason she doesn't announce the lineup (and I agree, I wish she would) is that so many guys don't show up. If you arrived from Florida to watch a particular dancer who Denise told you would be there and he wasn't, you might get mad. If you don't know who is going to be performing, you can't get mad about that. Some of these guys are not totally reliable (I can't understand that, given the upside of their business, but that's just me)

 

3. Regarding the lapsed website, I don't think that Denise had anything whatsoever to do with it. It was definitely not sanctioned by the Gaiety or Denise.

 

I think we would be best served if someone who attended the show on Monday posted the lineup. It takes about ten seconds and helps out everyone. In fact, I will post this weeks as soon as I finish this.

 

As for Kirk, I agree with your sentiments. No, I won't stop going, but until he changes his evil ways, he won't be getting positive feedback in my column or even a tip from me. There are very few guys who I won't give a dollar to, Kirk happens to be one of them. I am disappointed that Denise caved in on this issue (or is rumored to), but she is running a business. There are lots of folks who come to the show only to watch and they love Kirk. He is definitely one of the better performers to grace our stage.

[Guest CZ]

NYObserver is absolutely right on this one.

 

For all the reasons he cited, D can't be sure who's dancing (or what order they'll be dancing in) until just before the first show of the new week--Monday at 1:30. Many a time I've called at 1:20 only to be asked to call again in 10 or 15 minutes---meaning that if you're intent on being Mr. FirstNighter (i.e. at that opening show), you may have to take what you get, along with the three or four you might have been tipped off about in advance.

 

This uncertainty (which, again, for the reasons NYO cites, is wholly understandable) sometimes crops up even for the first show on Sunday afternoon (3:30). Although the lineup is supposed to revert to the weekday schedule that began the prior Monday, it sometimes happens that one of those seven dancers leaves town a day early, & someone else (often a marathon add-on) will fill in for him.

 

Incidentally (and I hope ready4boi won't be offended if I say so), it strikes me as somewhat naive to think that a gal or a non-gay guy can't/won't take into account the needs/wants of gay male customers with regard to producing a line of go-go boys!

Hey, it's a BUSINESS: pleasing the customer (your prime objective) has nothing whatever to do with your own private tastes. And whatever else you want to say about D, she is an absolute pro.

 

And, BTW, ready4boi might be interested to know that Denise is a lesbian. (In offering up that particular factoid, I sincerely hope it doesn't provoke fresh 'theories' about how the Gaiety is managed!)

 

Finally, though it should be well understood by now, Denise had NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO with those two idiotic & (mercifully) shortlived websites about the Gaiety. They were as unofficial as you can get, & the first (& maybe the second) was the work of some harebrained & noisily pretentious juvenile whom Hooboy (quite sensibly) has since pulled the plug on here.

[ready4boi]

I really don't care about Denise's personal life. As far I'm concerned, I have no interest in even speaking to the woman. She has been totally rude when I've called the theatre in the past to the point where I don't even want to talk to her. As for the website I was referring to on the world wide web (not that AOL web page which no longer exists), I e-mailed and spoke with the web designer and webmaster about it. They told me Denise did know about the site but later denied having anything to do with it. From what I know, there weren't any kids involved which seemed to be the rumor somebody started. It was professionally done. I'm hoping Kirk returning is also a rumor. It's just downright shady and complete BS that she would let him dance again! If you want to kiss Denise's rear and give her your money, go ahead, but she'll be losing my business on this one. There are many others sure to be equally peeved.

[Guest DrewH]

Personally, I could care less if Denise is a lesbian, straight or if she likes doing it with animals. The fact is that Kirk is a horrible person and anyone that employs him and gives him the ability to work with the public, is endorsing his ideas and the way he treats the customers. I don't care how cute his ass is or how nice his dick is. He is a disgrace to humankind and if Denise employs him, I hope she does get closed down. She knows what kind of person Kirk is. If that is who she wants representing her and the Gaiety, I think that says all we need to know!

[Guest CZ]

I readily agree with both of you that Denise would be ill-advised to put Kirk back onstage (probably bad for business--in the long run), but I find it harder to go along with the harumphing & moralizing bit.

 

Yes, D knows what sort of person Kirk allegedly is. But his bad behavior comes up in exceedingly private circumstances, & I really don't see how she can be held responsible for any of that. As you know, the dancers are discouraged from negotiating on the premises; an exchange of phone #s is OK, but not long, graphic prenuptial agreements. Besides, anybody ready to pony up $250 for a private ought to know what he's doing & how to handle himself in such a situation. None of that should be the concern of the Gaiety, it seems to me.

 

And before anyone makes a parallel to a being 86'd from a bar (such as Stella's), let me say that there is a great difference between allowing a dishonest and/or dangerous hustler to prowl your premises for victims, drink in hand, and presenting him as a performer offering (according even to his detractors) full value for the money with the entertainment he provides.

 

But, as conceded, D should probably not give Kirk a comeback opportunity--at least, not yet. As for you guys boycotting the place, that's your choice to make. But, frankly, you're losing a lot more than she is. Toward what good, pray?

 

Re the websites, I'm not sure what Ready4's point was/is. No matter what one may 'have heard from someone,' the fact remains that neither site (despite contrary claims) was the 'official' Gaiety website, and Denise had nothing to do with either. I referred to the idiot who launched the first one as 'juvenile,' to emphasize how utterly mindless & noisy he was both on his site & while attempting to promote it here. His chronological age matters not at all. I'm glad he & his site are gone.

 

Finally, concerning Denise's apparent rudeness to ready4, I can well imagine her manner, tone, body-language (& occasionally impenetrable accent) make her seem rude, or at least brusque, to some people. I know how she is in the box office, and I know how she sounds on the phone. I DON'T know how ready4 comes across in person or what HE sounds like (though I have an idea, I must admit). So all I can say is that, in well over a decade of Gaiety-going, I have never felt rudely treated by Denise. But then, I have never been rude to her.

 

And in case I haven't mentioned it before, I've never laid eyes on the notorious Kirk, despite my fairly frequent attendance at the Gaiety. So perhaps curiosity has colored the opinions given above, but I rather doubt it. I wish Traveller (even though he shuns the Gaiety) would weigh in on the 'responsibility' issue.

[HooBoy]

Denise is a New Yorker. I don't find her attitude any differnet than most people there.

 

As far as her sexual proclivity, who cares? And whomever said she was a Lesbo should be spanked. Daddy - where are you?

 

Now for Kirk. I have spoken with him on the phone. He was nice. I spoke to his brother, Darren I think...He was an asshole.

 

Gentlemen, Kirk is beautiful, but he is STRAIGHT. If you hire him for a private session, you are nuts, however there have been people here who have hired him, treated him with respect and were satisfied.

 

As far as Denise hiring him back to dance, hey, I'd be there to drool over that gorgeous body, but I agree with NYO, I wouldn't tip him a penny.

 

As for a private session, I would make sure everything was set up in advance and make HIM put down a deposit to insure that everything I wanted was going to happen.

 

Guys, he is not gay, he is beautiful and I really do think he is an okay person if you treat him as such and make it clear that you know that and blah, blah, blah.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[ready4boi]

CZ,

 

Not sure I understand what you meant by how you think I come across in person. My point I was trying to make is that there are people who were and are still customers at The Gaiety who have a problem with how Denise interacts with the customers. Some feel it's in a similarly downright shady manner as some of the dancers like Kirk. The bottom line is Kirk represented the establishment and insulted and hustled its customers. In my opinion, I feel that is reason enough for Denise not to allow him back. It is too unlikely a true hustler like him is going to change his ways. As for the "noisy juvenille" you described, I have e-mailed him and found him to be nothing of the kind. In fact I thought his web page was harmless not to mention amusing. He even describes Denise as being nice and friendly. I find it very bizarre because I haven't seen that side of her the times she's hung up on me while I was merely asking her who was dancing. I also think there will never be an official site or much of any open honest discussion with Denise about the theatre because of her greed and poor people skills and her being a New Yorker has nothing to do with the fact that she just doesn't care. She simply takes our money for the admission. In that sense, she has a lot more in common with the performers. That's why if she starts losing money maybe she'll have to change her ways.

[Traveller]

First, Kirk is straight and I've never bottomed. He's not gay, but he's definitely bi. The guy kisses well, fucks me rock hard like a pro and cums every time (which, as we all know, doesn't happen that often with a busy escort having future appointments to fill). I have fun with him, but that's just me.

 

That said, Denise (whomever that person is) is, of course, not responsible for his behaviour outside of her place. And, for those of you who like the place and will boycott it if she brings Kirk back, I remember something about cutting, noses and faces.

 

Later.