Pricing

[Luvmsg]

Wondering how people feel on what seems like appropriate pricing per hour for sensual only massage versus a more erotic full service massage.

[+ Jamie21]

Full service massage, if by full service you mean penetrative sex is include, is escort rate work. It’s priced higher than sensual massage. The actual rate though depends on the market you’re in, which you haven’t mentioned.

 

[Luvmsg]

Yes, by erotic i mean oral and anal penetration. I am in between detroit and minneapolis

[ReynST]

I'd like to bump this question and would love elaboration.

What is fair pricing for each of the RM categories Therapeutic, Sensual and Erotic? Should erotic and sensual be therapeutic as well? Should sensual massage be nude? Is full service an outside category? Yes, no and why.

Feel free to elaborate on what your expectations are or which conditions you believe should be met to satisfy a category change.

 

Should this be a separate thread? 😅

[+ Jamie21]

Can of worms….

There’s no standard definition so you should ask the guy what he includes for the rate quoted. 

[ReynST]

48 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Can of worms….

There’s no standard definition so you should ask the guy what he includes for the rate quoted. 

Maybe. How does your therapeutic differ from your erotic and what do you charge for each?

[Hyattsville]

My favorite masseur charges the same for all of his work, but only advertises therapeutic and sensual. All of his work is therapeutic but can include extras. He will remain clothed unless he is asked to remove his clothes and he feels comfortable in doing so. In his mind, I am paying to get a massage, anything else is because we both feel into it. He doesn't advertise erotic work (even though I have gotten very erotic work from him) because he feels that puts him in the "escort" category and the expectations would be very different. He wants to maintain control of what he does and with whom. He's a great guy and affordable. $115 for 60 mins and $155 for 90 mins. I asked him why his rates are lower than average, he explained it's due to his location (suburbs) and he is not in his late 20's with a gym body. 
So, by his definition erotic work should cost more because the expectations are that there will be nudity and penetration, regardless of mutual attraction. Sensual to him means that you should expect a HE (or at least the attempt) but otherwise just a standard massage. No guarantee of nudity or MT. But he also believes a massage should ALWAYS include mostly massage work. 

[Lotus-eater]

My 2 cents. Therapeutic=strictly platonic massage (commonly with some professional training), hourly rate up to $140. Sensual=nude massage with MT, HE option, hourly rate up to $200. Erotic=optional massage (which is usually bad), escort-type experience, hourly rate $200+.

Edited September 21, 2024 by Lotus-eater

[+ Jamie21]

1 hour ago, ReynST said:

Maybe. How does your therapeutic differ from your erotic and what do you charge for each?

I don’t do therapeutic only. My massage includes therapeutic work but is sensual: my definition of sensual includes oral, rim, kiss, prostate massage etc. The client will usually reach orgasm and the massage is done naked (part way through). What actually gets included depends on what the client is comfortable with. Other masseurs might have a different definition of sensual and have different ideas about what is included, that’s why I say to ask them. Oh and I think it’s really important that it’s a great massage done well. 

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by Jamie21

[Simon Suraci]

19 hours ago, ReynST said:

What is fair pricing for each of the RM categories Therapeutic, Sensual and Erotic? Should erotic and sensual be therapeutic as well? Should sensual massage be nude? Is full service an outside category? Yes, no and why.

Feel free to elaborate on what your expectations are or which conditions you believe should be met to satisfy a category change.

The answer to this perennial question is:

“It depends on the masseur. Ask him.”

Prices change over time. Whatever was typical in 2016 in a given market is going to be higher in 2024, especially after the crazy post covid economy wide inflation phenomenon. These are just my opinions. Take them with a grain of salt.

With that said, and considering our local market, I’d say therapeutic only is in the range of $120-140/hr, $140 being high, and $125/hr being reasonable and typical. Some guys offer therapeutic only service at $80-100/hr, which I feel is quite low.

Sensual and erotic territory I’d say is in the neighborhood of $130-$180, with $130 being quite low and $180 being quite high. $140-$160 is a good sweet spot (in my opinion, in 2024) for massages that include plenty of legit therapeutic work plus some sensual and/or erotic elements. That wide price range 130-180 gives a lot of room for more or less of the sensual and erotic stuff, such as some of the following: client undraped, masseur in underwear or fully nude, mutual touch is allowed including genital areas (the client’s and/or the masseur’s), body to body contact (more than just the masseur’s hands/arms), erogenous zones play such as nipples (varies by client), long flowing sensual full body strokes, maybe some prostate play if the client wants it, and a happy ending. In that range, almost all of them will provide a happy ending at a minimum. As for the rest, it varies widely. Some of your masseurs in this range will do more, such as perform oral, rimming, kissing etc. I really would not expect it though and you should be tipping generously when he does. If he provides full service anal sex, you really should be paying him $300/hr. These activities are all on the escort end of the spectrum and you shouldn’t expect them for essentially half price. Some of your masseurs will do only a couple items on the list, and that’s ok. It’s totally fair for this mid 100s price range IMHO. The list of activities is not exhaustive, by the way, just a sample.

$180-200/hr you don’t see very often, for any services, be them therapeutic, sensual, erotic, or any combination. Just my observation.

Above $200/hr and you’re into the low rate escort service range, which is always tricky because it’s high for services that exclude oral/anal, fetish, bdsm, vanilla cuddling/kissing, [fill in the blank any sexual service], etc., but too low for traditional full service oral/anal [or fill in the blank] sexual services. Those would be $250/hr on the low end and more typically be in the $300/hr range for most places in the US and higher in some US metro markets $350+.

My personal view is the $200/hr-$250/hr range is a gray no-go zone (which will change in years to come as prices slowly rise). This range is too low for escort service and too high for sensual/erotic massage service. The way I see it, the client is going to be disappointed with receiving less than what he may feel entitled to for such a high price, or the masseur will feel like he is providing way more than he should for that price. Either way, someone is giving or receiving too much. 

I suggest to clients for whom erotic and sensual elements are very important: discuss activities with your masseurs beforehand to ensure you’re getting what you want and expect. If he is unwilling to put it in writing (which is perfectly reasonable btw), ask for a brief phone call to discuss. This goes for the more typical rates in the mid $100s/hr, but most of those guys are going to be providing an appropriate range of services for the rates they’re charging. I especially encourage clients to do this process for massage services totaling between $180-$250/hr. That’s where a lot of the mismatch happens.