Two for the price of one?

[Guest DickHo]

Someone asked me this question yesterday, and even with all my experience with escorts, I didn't have the answer: if two guys hire one escort, is the escort price the same as when it is one-on-one? That is, can friend and I split the cost of an escort?

 

My friend assumed that since the escort charges for the time he spends with the client, the price should be the same whether there are 1 or 2 clients. However, I find that to be a naive view in this business.

 

What do you think?

[Guest Sean]

Two Clients double the rate

[Guest justin]

>Two Clients double the rate

 

I can understand a higher rate for 2 people but double???? I may be wrong but I dont think the majority of escorts charge double to see 2 clients at once. input from other escorts?

[Barry]

I think Jason Rhodes in NY advertises a fixed rate for "his time". Same rate for one or two clients.

[Guest Sean]

My rates are 200 in 250 out per person an hour

[Guest pistol]

I'm not an escort but I think it is totally unreasonable to expect an escort to see 2 people for the price of 1. The "selling time" concept is simply to get around the law and we all know that. It is much more difficult for an escort to service and satisfy 2 people than 1, not to mention riskier. To be alone with 2 male strangers can be scary. There has got to be a new price established when a second client joins in.

[Guest Young One]

Not sure what the standard practice is for many people but I will say that my first experience at Gaiety was essentially a 4 for 1. $50 each for the four of us with one dancer (who will remain anonymous for obvious reasons). The fact that all of us were under 25, in shape, and good looking may have been a factor but I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for two for the price of one if the escort is willing to do it (either for enjoyment or for the money).

[Guest pistol]

Young One: Were all 4 of you physically involved with the dancer or was he just doing some kind of show? Or, were the 4 of you involved with each other and not all necessarily involved with the dancer?

[Guest RO]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-00 AT 08:46PM (EST)[p]You got fucked out of $50, Young One. When the rest of us were under 25, in shape and good looking, a 4 for 1 was an orgy and they were FREE!!! Yikes!

 

Just kidding . . . it sounds like a hoot and I would have been right in the middle, doing the same thing. Too bad you don't have the video.

 

I remember being insulted about 15 years ago during my intoxicated, wreckless youth when one of the dick-dancers at The Village Station in Dallas told me it would cost $100. to take him home because he was "really" straight. Hell, if I could find that boy TODAY, I'd have $100. tucked firmly into his cock-ring before we could even get to the car. Wonder if HE still looks that good?

[Guest RO]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-00 AT 08:45PM (EST)[p]Isn't EVERYTHING negotiable, Sean? Of course, if you can find two guys willing to pay full price each and still only get half a serving of meat, GO FOR IT!

[Bilbo]

When y'all mentioned the danger of it being more dangerous for an escort to entertain two gentleman callers at once, I hope you were remembering that vice cops, unless they are wired, would like to come in in pairs so that it is not just one person's word against one person's word. When my partner and I were working we had a rate that was for one person and one person. To add another person was an addition of half that rate, whether it was another of us or another of them.

Also, the few times in my 16 years that anyone tried to videotape me without my permission, there were two of them - one to stay on camera with me while one disappeared for a moment into the next room to start the camera.

[Guest Young One]

We were all pretty much involved with the escort. It was pretty surprising how well it worked. One of us really liked kissing, another sucking, and the other two liked worshiping muscles and giving him a massage. So everything worked out fine. It was a great time and we got the full hour however none of us really felt comfortable being at the Gaiety with its older crowd.

[Traveller]

When my BF and I hire escorts together, the price is generally increased by $50 to $100 depending upon the location. If the escort states that the fee is double his regular price, he gets nothing. This practice seems more prevalent on the West Coast. And yes, the price includes all the works as my BF, as well as being younger and prettier, is even more of a bottom than me.

[Guest Shamus]

This is an old thread and since I rarely visit here, I'm coming to it late, but this is the kind of client attitude that really burns me up --- and to hear it from Traveller, whom I personally hold in high regard and have much affection for, is even more frustrating. When clients ask me if they can get "two for one", and when they seem offended by my pithy "no", I feel compelled to ask them to just think about this for a moment from a business perspective. Would a client ever ask his (a) doctor (b) shrink © personal trainer (d) dentist (e) lawyer (f) haircutter (etc., etc., etc. --- I think you get the point) to service both him and his boyfriend/friend at the same time, for only one fee? Of course not. In fact, the client would most likely be embarrassed to even ask such a thing, as it would so clearly come off as cheap, and an insult to boot. And who wants to look cheap and ignorant? And yet, since sex is involved, clients think that escorts are just going to merrily roll over, do twice the work and get paid, essentially, half as much. Of course, there are always circumstantial exceptions (as there are to everything in life), but in general, I think it is naive and egocentric of the client to ever expect to get a "two-fer". Escorts are not being mercenary if we ask to be paid what we are worth, for the amount of work we do.

[Guest Shamus]

This is an old thread and since I rarely visit here, I'm coming to it late, but this is the kind of client attitude that really burns me up --- and to hear it from Traveller, whom I personally hold in high regard and have much affection for, is even more frustrating. When clients ask me if they can get "two for one", and when they seem offended by my pithy "no", I feel compelled to ask them to just think about this for a moment from a business perspective. Would a client ever ask his (a) doctor (b) shrink © personal trainer (d) dentist (e) lawyer (f) haircutter (etc., etc., etc. --- I think you get the point) to service both him and his boyfriend/friend at the same time, for only one fee? Of course not. In fact, the client would most likely be embarrassed to even ask such a thing, as it would so clearly come off as cheap, and an insult to boot. And who wants to look cheap and ignorant? And yet, since sex is involved, clients think that escorts are just going to merrily roll over, do twice the work and get paid, essentially, half as much. Of course, there are always circumstantial exceptions (as there are to everything in life), but in general, I think it is naive and egocentric of the client to ever expect to get a "two-fer". Escorts are not being mercenary if we ask to be paid what we are worth, for the amount of work we do.

[Traveller]

LAST EDITED ON May-23-00 AT 06:35PM (EST)[p]Sorry Shamus, but I have to disagree with you on this one. I charge by the hour, as I expect most professionals do too. The fact that two clients are in the room doesn't jack my rate from $350 to $700 per hour.

 

I consider an additional $50 to $100 charge for the extra person (my BF) more than adequate. I going with Justin on this one. (I won't divulge what his proposal for two was, but it was right in the ball park - even if we haven't been able to pull it off. I'm not sure I want to share him with the BF.)

 

BTW, recall we discussed getting Justin, you and me together sometime soon. Will the charge be less if there are two escorts involved, as opposed to two clients? Just kidding tiger. Let's just say that we disagree on this, but fondly recall Armadillo Days of past. Later my friend.

[Guest Skeptic]

Having the sexual sensibilities of what used to be called 'a one-man woman,' and thus being utterly fixated on the goal of pleasuring my partner, I was never much fun at orgies & such, even in my days of youthful beauty. For the same reason I was naturally disinclined to share a sex partner with anyone else (even though I can recall a few reasonably successful three-ways with lovers during that same now-distant era). So the issue of twofers with an escort has never really come up for me.

 

That said, without a shred of practical expertise in the matter (and perhaps no prejudices to distort my judgment either), I'll now presume to throw in my own two cents. ("That will be a penny for each of you boys. . .")

 

Neither of the 'extreme' positions on what a pair should pay (double vs. nothing extra) strikes me as really tenable. Nor do the opposing concepts underlying them--payment for energy expended vs. time spent in doing so. Moreover, the various analogies made to the buying and selling of other 'professional services' are far from perfect, some of them very far indeed. And all these factors considered together suggest, to me at any rate, that there may be something fundamentally 'wrong' (not in the moral sense, though!) with the whole concept of sex for money. There--I've said the unsayable! Prostitution is either rotten to the core, or the hypocrisy that tries so relentlessly to suppress it has caused its core to rot away.

 

(Memo to self: buy replacement copy of Posner's brilliant 'Sex & Reason,' lent to a friend and still not recovered.)

 

Unable to side completely with any of the posters who've had their say already, I'll offer a few new odds and ends which may help move us toward consensus or further muddy the waters. Probably the latter. . .

 

First of all--without suggesting how it applies here--I note that in NYC, a metered taxi ride costs the same for one as for up to as many as four passengers; whereas in DC, where the hare-brained zone system serves in place of a meter, a group of passengers going to any given address pays incrementally more than would a single passenger making precisely the same trip, and in the case of a ride 'shared' by two passengers going to different but nearby destinations, each pays the FULL fare. Figure the 'logic' behind THOSE competing systems if you can!

 

On another note, I suspect that some escorts (unconsciously, to be sure) regard the fee more as a 'penalty' or 'punishment' meted out to the client than a payment exacted from him. (I know Sean will think me unfair, but I thought his early post threw out such vibes.) The psychology of unacknowledged 'revenge' behind this would, of course, be a topic unto itself.

 

And finally, shouldn't we one day discuss the most striking (but seldom remarked) difference between heterosexual and homosexual prostitution: that straight men and straight women, although entering into a money-for-sex arrangement, are still interacting sexually as society would expect them to in a non-commercial context; whereas gay men are 'transgressing' the norm in two additional AND diametrically opposed ways--paying to have sex with men who, unpaid, would still choose to have sex with men, and--in the case of trade--paying to have sex with men who would never so choose UNLESS they were paid.

 

What all this has to do with twofers isn't immediately obvious (even to me), but something tells me that these tangled issues are somehow radically related to the issue.

[Guest Sean]

RE: BRAVO BRAVO

 

Shamus you took the words right out of my mouth.

[Guest Sean]

RE: Response to Sketic

 

LAST EDITED ON May-23-00 AT 10:33PM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-23-00 AT 10:31 PM (EST)

 

Skep babe I don't think you are unfair I think you need a MAJOR fuck!

[Rod Hagen]

LAST EDITED ON May-23-00 AT 10:28PM (EST)[p]THIS IS A RESPONSE TO TRAVELLER, NOT SKEPTIC nor Sean nor Shamus

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Hey Traveller, how are you enjoying LA LA land? Stay away from WeHo...it's construction avenue HELL right now.

 

I have no policy on this because it's never come up (though I think it's a wonderful treat when clients I am on an overnight with hire a second escort, most likely a bottom, for a couple hours). I think those who do charge more-double or the bonus you offer-do so more because there's quite a bit of extra physical labor, as well as performance expectation, involved and not because there's someone else just there. It's less of an additional "consultation fee" that you choose not to exact in your line of work, and more of a additional labor fee. Think of paying your housekeeper the same amount (or a bonus) to clean 2 houses in the same time just as well as he or she cleans just the one. Or maybe my analogy is off (I pay my housekeeper 10-20 extra/hour because of my ridiculous laundry). I am a bit out of it tonight. Thoughts???

[Guest Skeptic]

RE: Response to STATIC

 

How very typical of Sean, to comment SOLELY (and so loutishly) on a passing mention of him in an otherwise sober, non-combative discussion!

 

 

NOTE: When I say 'typical' of him, I'm assuming that it's 'Sean Tomorrow-the-World Escort' who just left that boorish post.

[Guest Sean]

RE: Response to STATIC

 

Skeptic, However you took my posting, it was not an attack nor meant to be an attack on you. I find your post to be rather anal and uptight. Relax a bit, take a Valium have a cocktail, smoke a joint and light a fire. Sling a nice CD in the CD player and hire a hot man to come over and fuck your brains out

[RM]

I like the taxi analogy. Escorts could be classified as entertainers. Do actors get paid less if there are fewer people in the audience than when the house is full? It depends on the deal they negotiated.

[Guest Shamus]

Well, in some ways Hagen is getting more to the heart of what I meant.(And more succinctly, but I never claimed to be a good editor of my own stuff --- probably another reason I rarely post here.) First off, many of my analogies were pretty bad --- not in the spirit of them, but in their reality. I was so pissed off that I just sort of responded without too much consideration. But I can readily imagine a therapist doing couples counseling, or an attorney seeing both a client and his boyfriend, for one flat fee. But I think it is a different matter when the work/research/preparation has already been done, and the attorney/doctor/etc. is simply meeting with two people to explain an outcome or go over possible courses of action, than when the work being performed is done on the spot and with physical attention paid to each client (such as with personal trainers or haircutters). Hagen gets it right when he says that it is a labor issue --- whatever clients may think, it is alot of work to be charming and witty and sexy and friendly and oh, yeah, also get someone off. And in most cases, entertaining two gentlemen will require doing double the work. Not necessarily double the work when we're talking about the weather or the latest headlines or whatever else we happen to explore while we're together, but yes, I do mean when we all float or run or tumble into the bedroom later on. Of course, there are exceptions: maybe one guy just wants to watch, maybe the two have an agreement where basically they just have sex with each other and the escort only participates with one of them or mostly only one of them. Perhaps I should have more specifically addressed my first post not to situations like these, but to (in my experience) the more common situation where two clients both want the whole hog --- a rather massive energy expenditure for the escort thrown into the pigpen. Escorting is a weird, nebulous line of work, because it is similar to and should be subject to the same rules as other professions, but then again, it's completely not, and isn't, either. If that makes any sense...

 

And hey, Traveller: as long as we have our Armadillo memories, and more recent ones, I think we can agree to disagree quite amicably.

 

And Skeptic: I usually regard your logic as so nearly perfect in its plain simplicity that I often wonder why others don't get it, too; and I think you're right --- the issues you raised are all kind of boiling around in there somewhere. But the cabs thing? That was really a stretch, and I'll thank you not to compare (even if sort of obtusely half-in-jest)a ride with me to anything that is metered.

[Guest LUKE]

Perhaps, the price should be based by the number of times the escort ejaculates.

If the escort wants double the price, for double the work, than there should be double the cum

from the escort.