Please bear with me here i really need to write this

[+ David-SF]

Please bear with me here i really need to write this

 

deleted due to embarrassment

[seaboy4hire]

One of the many rules of escorting if it feels off or odd don't do it. Always listen to your gut. Nine times out of ten it'll lead you in the right direction. There are jerks out there every where not just here in the escorting world. It sounds like you are pretty new to this but have a decent head on your shoulders. Most I would say especially here on the board are a great group of people imho and most of the guys you will see will be a ok also. Just chalk it up as a learning experience and don't let it bother you cause there will be more good guys then the bad ones out there.

 

Hugs,

Greg

P.S. Being scammed is just part of the biz. unfortunately.

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[Guest josephga]

i agree if its feels funny don't do it. i have turned down allot of massage clients due too something just doesn't feel right. i have a rule if a person emails me. we must talk on the phone from an un blocked number to finalize the appointment. that cuts down on allot of the bs for me. id say if it doesn't feel right avoid it, become more organized let them know the forms of payment and other things right away. set your boundries on what you offer and dont offer and stick to it. if it helps i even have a pre typed sheet that i can read from when a client calls asking me about my massage services so i wont forget anything important.

[Guest PWIT]

sorry David for your experience. I believe there was once a discussion here of a web site where you could add the person's info to a database of bad clients so others can prevent the same bad experience. If you do not already, you may want to start consulting that site before going on future calls.

 

I'm speaking out of turn in the 'Ask An Escort' forum...just wanted to prompt the memories of some of the readers here who may recall that website or have better luck searching the forum here and can find it.

[Guest Merlin]

Stop blaming yourself. The problem with being a good guy is that occassionally someone will take advantage of you. But that is no reason to stop being youself. Don't keep torturing yourself with "I should have done this or that" etc. Its not your fault. Don't blame the victim.

[+ ArVaGuy]

David,

 

I am sorry to hear of this and you have every right to be frustrated and upset. As others have pointed out you should not beat yourself up over this. We each take risks in this business - both clients and escorts. Sooner or later we've all had an experience that teaches us a lesson. Greg was correct in saying "trust your gut" and don't go forward with certain appointments if you get any inkling of something out of the norm.

 

This guy sounds like he has perfected a scam that relies on an escort's good nature and takes advantage of smoke screens and misdirection. I know you would like to get back at this guy and that's a natural human reaction. But what good would that do? Yes, you might be able to prevent the guy from scamming a fellow escort and that would be a good thing. However, he'll likely use one of his several identities he's made up just for this purpose.

 

My advice would be to take a step back and look at the situation objectively. What lessons can you draw from your actions that could have avoided your falling into this guy's trap? I conclude from what you have stated that you feel you could be better organzied in your scheduling. OK, start there and make an effort to improve this area which will be a big help.

 

Let's face a simple fact here. This entire business of escorting has a basis in bad experiences for clients and escorts. We've all been scammed in one way or another so I hope we can avoid any back and forth from some about who's taking greater risks here. There's many a client with certain criteria for hiring based on unpleasant experiences in the past. And any experienced escort is going to have certain criteria for accepting clients based on equally unpleasant events from their past.

 

Learn a lesson and move forward rather than allow yourself to be angry. I'd say let life take care of this guy who scammed you. One of these days, sooner than later, he's going to pull this stunt on the wrong guy and he's going to pay a dear price. Karma is a bitch. And no doubt when it happens you will learn about it and perhaps crack a smile. :-)

[Steven_Draker]

David, sorry to hear about your misfortune. Please check out your personal email.

 

Steven ~

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[JT Brooklyn]

David..Sorry to hear about the unfortunate Encounter! Yes it is great that you do have a place to vent your feelings as a Working Guy!

 

This now will make all the "Great Parts of Escorting" seem that much nicer to you in the future! Working Guys & Clients... to all it can be a Crap Shoot! ;-)

[whipped guy]

David... Join the club. I know how you feel. I’ve been there. Everyone who is in business (any business) gets scammed, ripped off, coned, and swindled sooner or later. It usually happens sooner… then experience kicks in… Believe me, after a while you will be able to smell the vermin as soon as the phone rings… You will develop a sixth sense for spotting these con artists… so much so they won’t even be able to get out of the dugout much less even make it to the on deck circle!

 

Still, we all need to vent… and hopefully you feel a bit better having done so.

[+ David-SF]

thanks guys for the feedback

I decided that its best to just allow this thing to go under

"Lesson well learned" file

i was a bit emotional last night but I still want to let other escorts know about this guys address and phone number so that they wont have to be fooled too i wont put it on this board in detail so please email me if you want the info

his real name is xxxx he said his name was Chris

i saw it on his pay pal login when he tried to send me money

i also did a search on his home phone number and address

which is actually hooked to a fax machine and he had two cell phones

so this info could be wrong but i doubt it

he lives in a place called xxx apartments

on west Washington in summerlin about 15mins from the strip

he has a very nice laid back attitude upon phone conversation and in person

he wanted a massage and never mentioned anymore till i was there and in the middle of the session.

any more info like exact address and phone number please

email me personally

david@8inchtool.com

 

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[Guest Patrickmtnman]

If this client is impersonating as a member of law enforcement I think you should find a way of reporting him. If you don't want yourself to be known when you place that call, use a pay phone. Anyone who does this type of impersonation is likely capable of really doing harm to others and the sooner he's caught, the better. He sounds really sick from what you described happened and you wouldn't want him to do more harm to another when something could have been done to prevent it.

[+ deej]

If dressing up as a law enforcement officer were a crime, half of West Hollywood would go to jail every Halloween.

 

The guy would have to use the impersonation in a traffic stop or some other pseudo-official act. In other words, he'd have to falsely abuse the implied office.

 

He didn't. The way I read the story, he didn't even mention it until our intrepid 8inchtool showed up.

 

It sucks out loud, but the only crime I see here is prostitution. :-(

 

David, you have my full sympathies. Shithead clients like this make it difficult for GOOD clients like the rest of us. Please know we're not all that way.

[SteveStacks]

Hey David....

 

I'm so sorry to hear about this terrible experience.

I'm just glad you're okay....

 

Try to enjoy the rest of your trip and focus on looking forward to the great guys that you have met and will still meet.

 

Hope your day is going better....

[Louis]

Its one of the perils of the business you are in. Escorts rip off clients and clients rip off escorts. Its not at all fun to be on the wrong end. You can turn this into a learning experience. Fortunately you came out alive and well. I often have this fear that an escort is going to meet up with the wrong guy and either get ripped off or worse, hurt or killed.

A lot of people talk about STDS, but that is only one of the dangers an escort has to deal with.

I am glad that you were not hurt or worse, but I am also saddened because you, who offer a very credible service was taken advantage of. Sure you could physically get back at the guy in one form or another, but, I don't sense that you are the vindictive type, and I have no doubt that you would feel bad after you got your revenge.

I think that other escorts should be made known of this person. Its too bad there wasn't some sort of "escort union", where working guys could go to a monthly meeting, talk about business, and also talk about people who run scams.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Hi David

 

Sorry for your trouble - But I advise - JUST GET OUTTA VEGAS!

 

The cops are not the answer = they are VERY HOMOPHOBIC

 

Anti-Gay Escort.

 

If you have pussy Totally Different

 

They will make you Cocoa and cover you in a chenille throw.

 

 

 

Come to Philly WE know how to Treat Gentlemen Callers.

 

 

Don't let this get you down - It is part of the Culture of the town

 

 

Be Well

 

Be Happy

 

WILD

[+ purplekow]

You may not be able to do much but your friend with the bad check can certainly take the check to the local police office. Some local jurisdictions will intervene directly or send a notice to appear at a local court for passing bad checks.

One time, an escort who is also a friend, got a bad check for $1100 from someone who lived nearby in a small town in New Jersey. I drove the escort over the local police station and we spoke with an officer there. The officer was told that the check was for services rendered without other detail. The officer immediately went to the address on the check and we followed. He knocked and was let in to the home and in 15 minutes he was back with cash. I know this sounds amazing and perhaps this is a giant exception to the rule, but pursuing the bad check may result in payment and if he lives in a small community, it may result in considerable embarrassment for this person as well.

I am in business for myself and have pretty much stopped taking checks because of the bounce factor. Even with limiting checks to people who have paid by check in the past, every now and again one bounces. I have had people mail in checks which bounced and then found the address on their check was no longer their address, so not only did I not get paid for the service, but I was also stuck with the service charge for their bad check.

Perhaps you need a good massage to ease some of the tension of this event. If you are passing through New Jersey, I will be happy to oblige.

 

I have never seen a purplekow;

I never hope to see one;

I can tell you anyhow;

I'd rather see than be one

 

Help there is a purplekow in my mirror

[Curious George]

Its true...Vegas is sometimes not a friendly place.....in life shit happens......you're smart enough to know that there all types of folks in the world...good and bad......you got a bad one.......chin up.....and by the way you've got the best website I've seen in a long time !!!!

[Okliehomo]

I know very well that this is a two way street....there are probably just as many bad escorts as there are bad clients..but what bothers me is that guys like this US Marshal impersonating freak are able to take such advantage of your very (ok, too) trusting and sweet and all too genuine nature. You are what most of us are looking for....great company, honest heart, and nasty as Hell.

 

Walk away from this and learn from it. Just try and remember that along the way, you will meet more good ones than bad ones. I sure have. If I had to endure Aiden Shaw to get to meet you, well, it was worth it.

 

Keep that Bruce Springsteen chin up and that 8 inch tool, and I'll see you and Ty in Dec.

 

Okie

[2hard2tame]

Yeah man, I been there, done that. Well, my worst time was when I got a call to head out, and when I showed up, there were noises coming from the back, so I asked the guy was he the only one there.

He of course said yes, but being the careful fellow I am, I got up to check it out, and he told me to sit down. Now, right as he said that, 2 other guys come out of the back room with other than good intentions. One of them came up behind, while the other 2 tried talking to me to calm me down. As soon as I felt his hands on me, my Army training or whatever you want to call it kicked in. To say the least, I made it out of their in one piece, although I cant claim the same for them.

 

I only wonder if I had been a timid, slight escort what would have happened.

 

You gotta be careful man, cant get complacent or too chilled. Thats when that asshole will come along and just leave you high and dry.

 

 

Thank god there are 75 good clients out there for every bad one, but you do this work long enough and you will hit the nasty ones.

 

 

Good luck bro. Oh, and heres a hint. Intellius.org will give you his current work name and location. Do with it what you will.

[KENNY45]

Hi David,

 

I totally empathize with you and truly am sorry that you had such a negative experience while in Vegas.

 

I consulted with an escort acquaintance of mine; and this is what he had to say as to what happened to you:

First, nothing is one hundred percent, not even one's instincts and going with one's gut (and therefore even if you follow your instincts, you are still at risk of coming into harm's way); Second, never, ever, ever accept payment in any form other than cash (Brief note as to credit card payments: Credit cards can be cancelled and/or reported as lost or stolen, so you may never see payment via them even if the credit cards are legit; Third, if there is no sign of an envelope in plain view and you don't know the party through an in-person arrangement from before, there is nothing wrong with verifying that he does have the funds to make the payment; Fourth: You are always at risk of being violated or otherwise harmed by any client, first-time or otherwise, physically, sexually, mentally, or emotionally, when you are spending time in private with an indvidual and activities involving nudity, sensuality, or sexuality/sexual expression/eroticism are being engaged in (and especially so when the escort has no bodyguard or party acting as one in proximity to the private arrangement location); and, finally: Fifth, occasionally other male escorts, including gay male escorts and even my acquaintance for that matter, have had things occur during sessions (erotic massage) and/or arrangements that were not mutually consensual or at least entirely so; and just because one is an escort and a non-virgin as to certain types of sexual experience does not mean that the other's conduct is not morally wrong or a violation of the law.

 

My personal feeling is that you should consider a sesion or two with a licensed therapist to help you deal with the feelings of violation and dirtiness related to the trauma you experienced; and also ideally as a means of getting beyond these feelings and exploring where you want to go and what you want to do once you are able to put the experience entirely behind you.

 

Please note that some escorts have experiences with clients where certain things occur gently and without threat or coercion or duress; and because the escorts involved in their minds were not consenting to the activities they feel just as violated. The individual who wrote about rotten clients being one of the negatives of the industry was right on target; and, yet, I assure you: There are certainly plenty of good, decent individuals out there who would never engage in anything that your perpetrator did.

 

Anyway, I sincerely wish you well and truly hope you are having more positive experiences since the time you did your posting.

 

KENNY

[curious2000]

Hey David,

So sorry to hear about this unpleasant experience and how hurt and angry it made you. You come across as a really sweet and kind person ( not to mention smokin' hot!-your vids on your website always get me hard and wishing I lived in SF to hire you). I would just chalk it up to experience and like you said a "lesson learned" and walk away from persuing this asshole jerk. Since he is involved in some kind of shady law enforcement ( even if it's fake) he seems unstable and possibly violent and might want revenge if you piss him off even more by turning in info about him. Maybe just warn you fellow escort buds in private about any details to steer clear of this nutjob in Vegas. Your good karma will be rewarded in the future by taking the high road, and this bad client will get his share of bad karma in some way in the future for pulling this crap with you.

 

My advise would be to ONLY accept cash from a new client, no matter how they try and sweet talk you otherwise. Then, and only after the first session that you had and met them and you both had a good time and you got paid, then if you felt comfortable, you could offer them a choice of cash or paypal on the second meeting.

 

Most clients are good guys, and this sucks that he was so deceiving and hurt you. Hope you feel better soon and get back on a roll of good honest clients and have many hot and fun experiences on you journey in this strange but exciting business of giving and getting pleasure in the escort/client world

 

good luck to you

 

 

 

:-)

[MIKEY08]

Hi there,

 

David sent me an email recently (and sent the same to me upon my sending a copy of KENNY's posting to him): I am omitting certain personal references therein (which indicate tht he is in the process of pursuing measures as to his healing), but this is exactly what he said, in part and in response to KENNY's posting:

 

"thank you i did read the post and i probably should have responded i have put this insident behind me and have learned from it

i really appreciate all the great feedback and ideas....

take care

Love David/sf"

 

Anyway, now we know that David is all right at present and we don't have to dwell unnecessarily on the unusual incident.

 

Of course I want to add to David this personal note to him: That all of us fellow escorts still pray for your well-being; and that just because we don't divulge details does not mean that we have not had similar incidents with similar or not so similar individuals in the context of our escort work.

 

Take care and stay strong, David. We are with you, most certainly in spirit, always.

 

MIKEY

[Guest zipperzone]

Is there any escort you DON'T know?

[alanalt]

>Is there any escort you DON'T know?

 

Depends on what your definition of 'know' is. In MIKEY08's case, I suspect that an e-mail exchange constitutes 'friend-for-life' status.

[+ David-SF]

>Is there any escort you DON'T know?

 

 

I don't know very many at all

I think a total of four and I rarely get to see them.

 

when I posted this topic I was very upset,

I was far from home and just needed to vent.

i did not worry about spelling ,grammar,punctuation etc..at the time i was reaching out and venting thats all.

I received many many wonderful and encouraging emails i was also able to share with escorts in that area about this guy and turns out he has burned a couple others that i know of. I got over it after a day or two and I really just wanted to let it go. So I posted a while back that i was ready to put it behind me. so i was surprised to see these responses from mickey08/kenny45 copy and pasted into a personal email and sent to me. i had read the responses when they were posted originally

i hope i don't sound ungrateful when i say

 

I appreciate MIKEY08 and KENNY45 insisting i read their posts by sending them to me directly but i dont know if thats not considered a bit pushy

i am sure you were being concerned and i mean no offense but it feels awkward to then have a personal email copied and pasted into the forum in my response to your care and concern for me. i am sure no harm done to me but this just feels unusual i dont want to cry victim again.I want to emerge stronger and empowered by this experience not to dwell in it. i have not been a part of this MC long and its growing complex and a bit intimidating my long posts seem to be over the top and could use a little work in order shorten them. so i tend to be discouraged

about this exciting and interesting MC. so if i stay by the side line its because i want to listen more than open my big mouth which of course when the trouble really begins

Love David/SF