To say it or not?

[pierrot]

I have enjoyed many escorting experiences with hot guys reviewed on this site (I always go by it). However the one problem that I have run into on a fairly regularly basis is escorts who can't keep hard for very long. This has not been a problem with all of them by any means. But I've been thinking about maybe I should tell guys when I make the arrangements up front that if they can't get it up, I don't think I should have to pay full price.

On the one hand, I think this would be fair to say. On the other, it might make the guy inhibited or nervous and actually keep him from getting it up just by the power of suggestion.

What do you escorts think? If a client wrote you that he'd like to hire you, but one of the conditions is that you be able to keep a hard on. How would you respond?

[Guest Jesse Dane]

I'd respond with a "no problem".

[Boston Guy]

Certainly gives the lie to the idea that one is paying for time spent together. :-)

 

Seriously, with all due respect, I'm not sure what you wish to accomplish. If your goal is to only hire guys who can and will stay hard for an hour, then you should be pretty clear about that upfront and try to be choosy in who you spend time with.

 

But if your goal is to only pay some fraction of the agreed-upon price if a guy doesn't stay hard for an hour, well, I think you're going to run into resistance there. It takes two to tango, as they say, and how each guy reacts to the other is very often a factor of how the other guy is acting. For instance, saying to one's partner "Can't you stay hard?" is probably one of the easiest ways to induce the kind of performance anxiety that inhibits erections, leading to a vicious circle.

 

All I'm suggesting is that if you attempt to pay an escort less than the agreed-upon price because he didn't stay hard, some guys are going to claim that the reason for their lack of performance was their interaction with you. Others might claim -- reasonably, I might add -- that expecting someone to be hard for 60 minutes straight (much less longer) is expecting a lot and may not be realistic in many cases.

 

So if your goal is to pay less, I think you'll run into resistance.

 

But if your goal is to have a better time, I'd suggest concentrating on ways to help keep your partners hard other than simply insisting that they do so or threatening them with loss of full or partial payment. You get more flies with honey than vinegar, you know? :-)

 

Best of luck,

BG

[Luv2play]

I hire escorts on a regular basis, basically because I have no interest in having another boyfriend in my life and I am still very sexually active and need the services that escorts provide.

 

That being said, I have never regarded escorts as a piece of meat there to merely satisfy my needs. I like to think that each encounter provides something for each of us, not just money in exchange for sex. I therefore make an effort to make myself as attractive as possible, even if I know that the escort would not be choosing me if he were to follow his own preferences. Hell, I know that money is at the basis of our interaction. But to me, that doesn't mean that I cannot provide some pleasure to my paid partner. And I set out in each encounter to do just that.

 

Since I am a bottom, I look for escorts that will enjoy the kind of attention that a bottom seeks to give. I reckon my oral skills are as fine as any highly paid bottom escort one could find, so getting my partners to achieve erections is definitely not a problem.

 

As for the anal thing, that is not always on the menu, but if it is, I choose escorts that I think will perform the task. I can't recall the last time it failed because of erectile problems, but I know it has happened. When it does, I simply move on to other ways to pass the time, pleasurably for both of us.

 

In sum, I think you have to look at yourself and think about what you can bring to the encounter, rather than just expecting the escort to spring a hard-on and then maintain it for an hour or more without any effort or involvement on your part.

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO. There are many Working Guy's who do use Viagra! The whole subject of a Guy, not getting hard is not probably anything close to the Problem it used to be, Or dam well shouldn't be! Not at the going rates per hour! We're not talking about a B/J for $40 ANYMORE!

 

There are Working Guy's I know, who even supply it to the Guy's they are hooking up with, IF they are asked. I guess it's called Customer Satisfaction! LOL :7

[pierrot]

Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well in my original post. Who said anything about staying hard for an hour? That is certainly not what I meant.

I'll be more blunt. If you want an escort to fuck you, he has to be hard. I have had some escorts who get hard while you perform oral on them, then either can't keep it hard when you stop sucking, or go soft once they start the fuck. (Is this graphic enough?)

There are several possible reasons for this, but if the escort has agreed to top you, and can't do it, do you owe him the full fee?

 

Thank you for suggesting obliquely that it's all my fault for being so disgusting looking, however I'm immodest enough not to really think that's the problem. I've hired many escorts who have no problem keeping hard. And objectively speaking, while I'm not Brad Pitt, I'm not so bad either. Besides which, I think it's not unreasonable to assume that the majority of clients are not in the Brad Pitt category.

 

There are other possible reasons inherent to the escorting biz.

1) the escort has just had sex earlier in the day; 2) the escort does not really like sex with strangers and is not suited to doing sex work; 3) the escort is not really a top (I've run into this); 4) the condom (which I insist on) reduces the escort's sensation and he loses wood (I've run into this too).

The one thing I've often wondered is exactly what JT suggests: why don't these guys just pop a Viagra?

So back to my original question: if I tell the escort up front what I expect, including that he'll have to get hard enough to top me, will that just intimidate him or make the whole transaction clearer? Generally, I don't like to be too explicit, and most experienced escorts don't either for legal reasons.

[+ deej]

>The one thing I've often wondered is exactly what JT suggests:

>why don't these guys just pop a Viagra?

 

Viagra is no guarantee either. Viagra makes an erection more likely in situations where the desire exists. It is no auto-stiffie. And there are health effects with constant use.

 

>So back to my original question: if I tell the escort up front

>what I expect, including that he'll have to get hard enough to

>top me, will that just intimidate him or make the whole

>transaction clearer? Generally, I don't like to be too

>explicit, and most experienced escorts don't either for legal

>reasons.

 

The single most common theme that runs through this place is communication. If he comes into your encounter unclear that you're expecting a pole in the hole, you've got no reason to expect it.

 

Now, as to short-changing his fee ... ummm no. Only in the most eggregious circumstances, and that will probably involve yelling and quite possibly calling hotel security. What you CAN do is fail to tip, and then report your experience in a review.

[Luv2play]

I'm glad you clarified your situation. I don't know where you live but it sounds like you have ready access to many escorts so choosing shouldn't be a big problem, if you do your research well. Many of the good escorts reviewed on this site live up to their reputation, as far as my experience goes. For instance, I have been with some of the top reviewed escorts in New York and had nothing but the best topping experience.

 

I agree that if your escorts cater to too many clients on a daily basis, that could lead to erection problems (or reliable cum shots). You should make it clear in your communication that you don't want to be at the end of the line.

 

I also agree that Viagra is not a panacea and it gives headaches to some guys (me included) and trying to keep a hardon with a headache is no fun.

 

Condoms can be an issue and you should make it clear in your communication that you want him to bring his own that he is comfortable with and can maintain a hardon with (if you make a point with that he can't then use this as an excuse).

 

As for dealing with the situation when despite all your efforts to guarantee a good f*ck, it just doesn't happen, if you are paying top dollar for this experience you should make it clear in your communication that the fee will depend on performance. If this leads to performance anxiety, you should either turn to other activities that please you or cut the session short and pay the escort a proportionate fee for his time. If he insists on his fee, give him a review on this site. It will have consequences for his business.

[JT Brooklyn]

Hooking up with a Guy, who DOESN'T GET HARD, Definitely defines the "For Companionship" Only Tag Line!

 

BUT in all Reality, what the Hell is he doing in this Business?

Usually if you don't Produce in ANY JOB, you get Fired!

 

IF the Guy is "New" to you. It's definitely best to Spell out what you expect from the Hookup in an EMAIL! BE Upfront on everything...

 

I've always found that when the Guy has to put it in writing, he will probably not suffer from Short Term Memory Loss, as is the case with a phone call! My 1st Contact is "always" via email..

 

"CALL'S ONLY" I don't even bother with. It always sounds like they just want to get the "YaDa-YaDa Yeah Sure" out of the way! LOL

 

:7 :7 :7

[Guest HonkingGoose]

Just recently I hired an escort--who I paid the full amount--who simply couldn't sustain an erection. At best, he was hard for maybe a few minutes. He didn't want to bottom, and could not top. I have very good oral skills, but even my hardest efforts didn't produce much. We ended up doing jo, and it took him a very long time to cum. I asked him if he had already cummed that day; he said "no." He is young--no more than 22. Maybe I turned him off. I'm older, but in good shape and have had plenty of good experiences with other guys. In any case, the best way to handle these situations is to write honest reviews--which I have not yet done.

[JT Brooklyn]

Honking Totally Agree. This is only My thinking, everyone is different on this Subject..

 

BUT..I usually go the Full 2 hours, but right after the Working Guy shoots,( a must) I like the Guy to "Work Me", until I shoot! Otherwise I really don't need any company, in just Jerking Myself Off! That's why God invented DVD'S...LOL

 

I have been called alot of Work, But also Dam enjoyable! LOL :7

[pierrot]

Guys, we all know that all of us, escorts and clients, get hardons from being turned on. Now, of course, everyone is not turned on by the same things, and it's totally normal that an escort is not always turned on by his clients.

HOWEVER, I've found that the really talented escorts have a way to get past this, either by using their imaginations or some other mental device. Some escorts just love sex, and love to be appreciated. I've seen some that turn on a porn video during the session, which works pretty well.

But if you're an escort you SHOULD have a way to deal with this problem. If you can't get an erection with strangers for whom you don't have any great attraction -- get another job.

[VaHawk]

Right on Pierrot

 

I was going to stay out of this discussion, but I can no longer take the EGF crowd!

 

I have 100% agreed with Pierrot from the very beginning of this thread!

 

JFC!, I always communicate up-front with a top escort, about the fact that I am hiring him to be hard and to be able to cum, whether I'm interested in oral or anal sex.

 

I, for one, am SICK AND TIRED, of paying full price for lousy service from a top escort who has agreed to the terms but delivers a semi-erect or totally limp cock.

 

Yeah, I get SO MUCH pleasure from sucking and sucking and sucking and sucking from dusk to dawn your limp dick, especially when it is stinking of cum from the previous 10 clients of the day, with no hope of erection and that erupts as often as Mt. Vesuvious (once every 700 years)! I ESPECIALLY love forking over the entire fee, for NO satisfaction, as the escort is "top only", so no "reciprocation"!

 

If the escort advertises as a top, whether oral or anal, and FAILS to deliver, then WHY should he get the full fee, for non-performance??? IMO, he shouldn't, and if he doesn't perform as contracted, then he should accept a less than full fee! After all, I can STROKE my own cock, better than he can! :7

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Please refer to my post in The Deli:

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=60548&mesg_id=60548&page=#60556

 

 

 

~BN