Best Way to End a Session?

[Guest EscortNsf]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>>If you order the ribs but once the meals come out decide

>your

>>friend's pasta looks better, you don't ask the server to

>take

>>your plate back and swap it out. You return the ribs only

>>when they're not as advertised. If they're completely up to

>>snuff but not your favorite, you eat them and remember to

>>order differently next time.

>

>As you know, there are plenty of businesses whose policy is

>that if the customer is not satisfied for any reason there is

>no charge. I don't think that would be the case if such a

>policy led straight to bankruptcy. If it doesn't work for

>you, don't do it. Obviously others have found a way to make

>it work.

 

So you *would* return your food just because your friend's looks better? Or expect not to pay? As you know, no business would accept that. Returns for identifiable problems, yes; on the whim of the customer, no.

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>Umm... the fact that funds are moving from the client to the

>escort, perhaps? Again, we're saying the client is making the

>call to cancel where there has been no misrepresentation.

 

But if the client is not dissatisfied with what is occurring for some definite reason, then why would he cancel at all? And why is there no consideration of the time he has spent without getting what he wanted?

 

>>There's nothing unreasonable about that position. The

>>unreasonable part is that you refuse to tell the client

>about

>>it.

 

>What part of "that destroys the experience" don't you get?

 

The part that requires people to pretend that this is something other than a business arrangement. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>>As you know, there are plenty of businesses whose policy is

>>that if the customer is not satisfied for any reason there

>is

>>no charge. I don't think that would be the case if such a

>>policy led straight to bankruptcy. If it doesn't work for

>>you, don't do it. Obviously others have found a way to make

>>it work.

 

>So you *would* return your food just because your friend's

>looks better? Or expect not to pay? As you know, no business

>would accept that. Returns for identifiable problems, yes; on

>the whim of the customer, no.

 

You seem to be forgetting that I and another poster have just given you the names of two of the most reputable agencies in this country (some would say the only two reputable ones) who do exactly what you say a business would not do. I don't know about restaurants, but restaurants are not the business we're discussing.

[Guest EscortNsf]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>>What part of "that destroys the experience" don't you get?

>

>The part that requires people to pretend that this is

>something other than a business arrangement. It makes

>absolutely no sense to me.

 

I understand your take on that. I'm telling you that perhaps half the market sees it your way, the other half are hiring a fantasy and don't want the legalese. That you view it strictly as a business arrangement doesn't mean that others do, too.

 

But yes, asking ahead of time about a cancellation policy would alert the escort to your mindframe, and leave him the choice of taking the risk of this booking or no.

[BobbyThompson]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

So far in all the posts still no one has explained just quite what their reason for cancelling would be. Three pages after the original post and no one has listed anything. In bullet points, please.

[+ deej]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

> As you know, no business

>would accept that. Returns for identifiable problems, yes; on

>the whim of the customer, no.

 

Wrong. There are many businesses that offer full refund SOLELY based on a customer's displeasure with the goods purchased, even if the goods perform exactly as promised. (Get in line for return/exchange on December 26th if you doubt it.)

 

Policies and limitations may vary, but businesses DO accept returns based on the whim of the customer.

[noviceny]

putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

I dont know about the rest of you (both escorts and clients), but I have trouble with business arraingments(sp?) where good faith does not exist.

It sounds like the clients want to protect themselves from the shady escorts, and the escorts want to protect themselves from the shady clients.

 

As long as I believe that the guy is trying his best to be honest, I would not cancel a session. If the guy says he has a six pack and its really a four pak (or a no pak), I would give him the benefit of the doubt. Its hard to keep a 6 pak, and even though that's "not my problem" Im just trying to have a little fun and will give some leeway (sp?).

 

I equally am annoyed (not filled with anomosity...just annoyed) by the escort who tries to get away with doing as little as possible, as I am with the client who must wring every penny out of the deal. I know that some may believe that they should get every penny's worth of their money, but I dont really care, as long as the effort is put forth and the guy is cool. I will not nickel and dime a person, but in return they should not short change me.

 

 

How do we establish a good faith relationship with the client and the escort ? If we can do that, I dont believe that the other problems would exist. Then, maybe the only escorts that we would really back out on, are the ones who would really deserve it...but then again, some clients are just fucken crazy

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>>>What part of "that destroys the experience" don't you get?

>>

>>The part that requires people to pretend that this is

>>something other than a business arrangement. It makes

>>absolutely no sense to me.

 

>I understand your take on that. I'm telling you that perhaps

>half the market sees it your way, the other half are hiring a

>fantasy and don't want the legalese. That you view it

>strictly as a business arrangement doesn't mean that others

>do, too.

 

I'm willing to believe that there are people who take their desire for a romantic fantasy to such lengths that they don't want to spoil it by talking business with the escort at any point. I have a hard time believing that they make up half of all clients, although if you say they are half of YOUR clients I will believe you.

 

>But yes, asking ahead of time about a cancellation policy

>would alert the escort to your mindframe, and leave him the

>choice of taking the risk of this booking or no.

 

By the same token, being told by an escort or agency that they have a fixed cancellation policy may start the client thinking that the escort may not really be what he wanted, where that idea had not occurred to him before. But the fact is, the possibility that the client may cancel exists whether the parties talk about it beforehand or not, isn't that so? Keeping quiet about the issue does not eliminate the possibility, it just makes it more difficult for the parties to resolve it if it actually happens.

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>So far in all the posts still no one has explained just quite

>what their reason for cancelling would be. Three pages after

>the original post and no one has listed anything. In bullet

>points, please.

 

I don't like using bullet points, and I don't let other posters tell me how to frame my answers. That aside, I think we have already covered the situation in which the client wants to cancel because he discovers that the escort has misrepresented himself.

 

I don't claim to be representative of all clients, but I have had very few occasions on which I was dissatisfied with an escort because he affirmatively misrepresented something about himself. I have had more appointments that were unsatisfactory because there was something about the escort that I did not like but that had not been covered in any of our communications prior to meeting. A good example of this sort of thing is found in the many reviews I have read in which a client complained that the escort seemed distant or completely uninterested in what was happening during the appointment. In my experience not many escorts tell a prospective client and not many clients ask an escort if he's going to show any enthusiasm about what they do when they meet. Many clients seem to assume there will be some interest or enthusiasm on the part of the escort, and they seem to be unhappy if there isn't. In such a case there is no actual misrepresentation, but there is a definite reason why the client is dissatisfied, not merely a whim.

[+ Lucky]

RE: putting your tooth where your mouth is

 

I don't know why everyone wants to copy and paste the post above thier response,, but it seems to be the fashion, so I will try to be fashionable here:

"I don't claim to be representative of all clients, but I have had very few occasions on which I was dissatisfied with an escort because he affirmatively misrepresented something about himself. I have had more appointments that were unsatisfactory because there was something about the escort that I did not like but that had not been covered in any of our communications prior to meeting. A good example of this sort of thing is found in the many reviews I have read in which a client complained that the escort seemed distant or completely uninterested in what was happening during the appointment. In my experience not many escorts tell a prospective client and not many clients ask an escort if he's going to show any enthusiasm about what they do when they meet. Many clients seem to assume there will be some interest or enthusiasm on the part of the escort, and they seem to be unhappy if there isn't. In such a case there is no actual misrepresentation, but there is a definite reason why the client is dissatisfied, not merely a whim."

 

 

Now, woodlawn, are you actually admitting that you hire escorts? Because that would be personal information and I know it is against your policy to reveal personal information.

 

Now are you also saying that, upon meeting you, certain escorts have been less than enthusiastic? I can't imagine that!

[LovesYng]

Sprint Charges

 

>Sprint charges me for a full minute when I make a 10-second

>phone call, even if the party I'm calling doesn't answer and

>I'm slightly disappointed. Sprint still provided exactly the

>service they told me they would.

 

Maybe you should drop Sprint then, I know as a cell phone com. they suck x(

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>As long as I believe that the guy is trying his best to be

>honest, I would not cancel a session. If the guy says he has

>a six pack and its really a four pak (or a no pak), I would

>give him the benefit of the doubt. Its hard to keep a 6 pak,

>and even though that's "not my problem" Im just trying to have

>a little fun and will give some leeway (sp?).

>

>I equally am annoyed (not filled with anomosity...just

>annoyed) by the escort who tries to get away with doing as

>little as possible, as I am with the client who must wring

>every penny out of the deal. I know that some may believe

>that they should get every penny's worth of their money, but I

>dont really care, as long as the effort is put forth and the

>guy is cool. I will not nickel and dime a person, but in

>return they should not short change me.

 

>How do we establish a good faith relationship with the client

>and the escort ? If we can do that, I dont believe that the

>other problems would exist. Then, maybe the only escorts that

>we would really back out on, are the ones who would really

>deserve it...but then again, some clients are just fucken

>crazy

 

Excuse me, but aren't you the same poster who wrote in another thread in this section (on November 28) that you have never had sex with another man at all? What you write above makes it sound as though you know quite a bit about escorts and clients. If you have not yet had even one such experience, how can that be? Your statements seem impossible to reconcile with each other.

 

How do you establish a "good faith relationship" with anyone with whom you are doing business for the very first time? In the legitimate world, there are various ways consumers can find out about the experiences other consumers have had with a service provider. One can check with the BBB or with government agencies that regulate service providers of various kinds. In the underground world of escorting, only this website provides such information, and we have seen that the information provided here is not always reliable. In the legitimate world, consumers sometimes gain confidence from the fact that if a service provider rips them off there are legal remedies they can pursue. In the world of escorting, that isn't the case.

 

The world of escorting exists for people (on both sides of the transaction) who can't get what they want by following the rules and who are willing to break the rules to get what they want. So I'm not sure it makes any sense to try to establish a set of rules for it that will allow consumers to have the same confidence as in the legitimate world.

[HotdadENYC]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>So far in all the posts still no one has explained just quite

>what their reason for cancelling would be. Three pages after

>the original post and no one has listed anything. In bullet

>points, please.

 

 

For a 1-2 hour session, I would cancel the appointment ASAP if the escort misrepresented himself in any way, including, but not limited to, not what he advertised (as in outdated pics), exhibits signs of poor hygiene, is very seriously under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I would at the very least offer travel compensation, as a courtesy, but anything more at that point would depend on my level of frustration. But quite frankly, I don't think I would reward or encourage deceipt by paying anything further.

 

If during the session, I decide to change my mind, for whatever reason, I would expect to pay. I would pay the entire agreed upon fee if its just my whim. I wouldn't pay the entire fee if the escort doesn't perform as promised. This is, unfortunately, something you wouldn't be able to find out until you're well along into the session. Like, for example, maintaining an erection, as was the subject of a related thread. In this case, maybe a good rule of thumb would be to pay for a percentage of the time already spent, that is 1/2 of the fee if 1/2 of the time has already elapsed.

 

I have had both experiences (immediate cancellation and subsequent cancellation) and based on that, these are guidelines that I am comfortable with and can live with.

 

Ultimately, I am only out to have a good time and want to approach the sessions with as much fairness or integrity as possible. If the escort doesn't feel the same way, then I think its pretty clear where the session will lead. Or should I say, not lead ?

 

 

Truthfully, I have not done any sessions longer than 2 hours, so I can't speak from experience. But my feeling, as expressed before, is that based on the level of committment required by BOTH, and absent any reason for an immediate cancellation, then the client should be prepared to pay the agreed upon amount, even if he decides not to stick with it until the conclusion.

 

I imagine that for every escort that lacks integrity and misrepresents himself, there is a client who will look to take advantage of the situation and make up reasons for not paying as promised.

 

If only life were more fair and these two types hooked up more often than not.

 

Regards,

hd NYC

[Guest EscortNsf]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>The world of escorting exists for people (on both sides of the

>transaction) who can't get what they want by following the

>rules and who are willing to break the rules to get what they

>want.

 

Huh? What can't the esocrt get by following the rules?

[Guest EscortNsf]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>In my experience not many escorts tell a

>prospective client and not many clients ask an escort if he's

>going to show any enthusiasm about what they do when they

>meet. Many clients seem to assume there will be some interest

>or enthusiasm on the part of the escort, and they seem to be

>unhappy if there isn't. In such a case there is no actual

>misrepresentation, but there is a definite reason why the

>client is dissatisfied, not merely a whim.

 

What do other readers feel? (Yes, we know your thoughts woodlawn.) Is this basis for turning the escort away without pay? Enthusiasm is so hard to judge. I've left clients before thinking that they had a so-so time at best, only to be called back the next day. I'm sure it depends on level of disinterest, and gross examples easily justify ending a session, but in my mind most times this would creep into the realm of 'whim.'

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your mouth where your mouth is

 

>Huh? What can't the esocrt get by following the rules?

 

He can't get paid for having sex with people. That is a crime, remember?

[woodlawn]

RE: putting your tooth where your mouth is

 

>Now, woodlawn, are you actually admitting that you hire

>escorts? Because that would be personal information and I know

>it is against your policy to reveal personal information.

 

That I have hired escorts is something I've mentioned in many previous posts. If you can't recall that, you might mention a possible memory problem to your doctor at your next checkup. Or maybe you'd better write yourself a note to do that.

 

 

>Now are you also saying that, upon meeting you, certain

>escorts have been less than enthusiastic? I can't imagine

>that!

 

I suppose I have that problem about as frequently as others who've complained about it, although it means less to me than it seems to mean to them. But I count myself fortunate that I've never had to deal with some of the more serious situations other posters have complained about, such as being barebacked by an escort without permission.

[Johninpdx]

Bobby,

 

You are welcome to question my logic all you like. This policy works for my clients and me. So far, noone has chosen to end the session.

 

Thank you for your input.

[Vincent_Michael]

What is the best way to end the session? I don’t know I can say that there might be a great way for you and then a great way for someone else. It is different for everyone however I can say the best way in my opinion to en an appointment is to leave feeling like I am coming back that we are lovers or the best of friends only catching up.

 

Now I have to admit at this point I haven’t read any of the posts on this topic as I find there is just too much to read about something that can be answered in so many ways.

 

I think you have the right to say if it is not going the way you planned however I if it is sexual I would suggest telling an escort what you want, I always want to be told what my partner wants in bed…even while getting hot and heavy. It’s the only way to have great sex! As for payment, well that’s an issue you are going to have to differ to someone else as I have no experence there.

 

On the other hand if you book for an overnight I don’t think it is fair for you to just brush him off after one hour…why not schedule a session as you have done to see if you like him and you are sure you want an overnight.

 

I hope I helped.

[noviceny]

>Excuse me, but aren't you the same poster who wrote in another thread in this section (on November 28) that you have never had sex with another man at all? What you write above makes it sound as though you know quite a bit about escorts and clients. If you have not yet had even one such experience, how can that be? Your statements seem impossible to reconcile with each other.<

 

Woodlawn,

 

I believe that you brought up this point before. I also believe that I answered your question before but here it is again. I have hired escorts (about 15 or so), but we have not engaged in anal or oral sex. If you would like me to be blunt, it has basically been hand jobs. I have also had a number of opportunities in both my job (worked with commercial sex workers who had HIV/AIDS as a social worker) and in my personal life of hiring escorts, to be able to talk to escorts and get a sense of how they view the transaction.

 

 

>How do you establish a "good faith relationship" with anyone with whom you are doing business for the very first time?<

 

I understand this question, and see your point. I believe that both persons (client and escort) should be entering in to this appointment with the mindset of being fair. I also understand that I may be the only person in the agreement that is thinking of being fair. I have only experienced to escorts who were not fair :

 

1) The first one was a total con who told me that he does not even jerk guys off. Suffice it to say that his ad said much more than that. I should have left then, but I was new to the game.

 

2) The second guy was just last week... The infamous Travis #2. This man totally and irrefutably misrepresented the way he looked...so much so that I think he may have been delusional. I should have ended the session, but suckered myself in to staying since we had already talked for an hour and he had wisely created a rapport with me, and then I felt sorry for him. I realize that I should have just left..no good faith on his part.