Being Stood Up by an Escort

[wayno]

There is a well known and positively only reviewed escort in SA, Texas that I have met once and had an awesome time with (even did a review giving him the highest marks). Since that time I have tried several times to set up meetings but it has been difficult and with each two that I have been able to set up he either did not show or has canceled without explanation. One time I traveled all the way to SA for a confirmed appointment (talked to him the same day and made plans) only to have him be a no show (some excuse about not being able to find the room because the room number did not exist, which by the way I emailed him afterwards a scanned copy of the portion of my bill showing the room number and the dates I was there). He was very apologetic and said he wanted to meet me to make it up to me so we made arrangements well in advance and confirmed for an overnighter. I booked my non-refundable tickets for our meeting and then just a few days ago he canceled and really did not give a reason. I am a bit frustrated and starting to feel like he is playing games with me or is very unprofessional. My question to the escorts out there is how many times is reasonable for a no show or canceling appointments (especially if it has cost me money for flights and hotels that I can not refund) before one should give up or write a review expressing this to others?

[Guest skrubber]

Write the review NOW.

[Flower]

>There is a well known and positively only reviewed escort in

>SA, Texas *********

 

>give up or write a review expressing this to others?

 

Actually there are 10 reviewed escorts in SA and only 1 has a negative review.

 

You really aren't asking if you should do a "no show review" of whoever you are talking about, but in fact you are trying to do such a "review, " evidently believing that your description would let everyone, including the escort in question, know who you were talking about--probably as some type of threat or punishment without actually writing your threatened review. If this weren't the case, then there'd be no reason to even mention where the escort was from. So, again, information and feedback isn't the purpose of your post.

 

Personally, if you don't have the balls to be specific, I think your post lacks credibility and the way it's done here shows a lack of integrity on your part. Anytime people post for alterior motives, both credibility and integrity are in question in my book.

[Flower]

>There is a well known and positively only reviewed escort in

>SA, Texas *********

 

>give up or write a review expressing this to others?

 

Actually there are 10 reviewed escorts in SA and only 1 has a negative review.

 

You really aren't asking if you should do a "no show review" of whoever you are talking about, but in fact you are trying to do such a "review, " evidently believing that your description would let everyone, including the escort in question, know who you were talking about--probably as some type of threat or punishment without actually writing your threatened review. If this weren't the case, then there'd be no reason to even mention where the escort was from. So, again, information and feedback isn't the purpose of your post.

 

Personally, if you don't have the balls to be specific, I think your post lacks credibility and the way it's done here shows a lack of integrity on your part. Anytime people post for alterior motives, both credibility and integrity are in question in my book.

[wayno]

I think your comments are well grounded, provided me with an opportunity to reflect on why I posted and I appreciate what you said very much. I should have been specific and just posted a no show review rather than put it in the forum here as it certainly comes across as the way you describe (and I think it is clear to me now that it was part of my motivation to send a message to the escort, but really I did not intend to threaten). Thanks for your candor....Wayno

[wayno]

I think your comments are well grounded, provided me with an opportunity to reflect on why I posted and I appreciate what you said very much. I should have been specific and just posted a no show review rather than put it in the forum here as it certainly comes across as the way you describe (and I think it is clear to me now that it was part of my motivation to send a message to the escort, but really I did not intend to threaten). Thanks for your candor....Wayno

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Being stood up, on either end, is not fun~

 

While i've only been technically stood-up once, it was a pretty demeaning experience and ultimately struck me as disrespectful and just plain rude. What i'm saying Wayno is that i completely know how you feel.

 

However, Flower & Skrubber did make a good point by simply suggesting you submit a no-show on this escort, rather than hit the MC with a very elusive statement about this mystery working boy. Just go through the proper channels (ie, HooBoy) and things should sort themselves out in the wash as they always tend to...

 

Personally, i'm simply sorry that a fellow San Antonio escort didn't provide you with one helluva time. Be assured it's definitely not indicative of Alamo City escorts in-general, as we're usually a rather good bunch of guys

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Vincent_Michael]

Speaking as an escort who has stood up a client before, I had a very human excuse. I misheard the hotel information on the phone, and because I never had contact information to get a hold of the client. I waited for two and a half hours downtown for the client to call me but he never did. First thing I did when I got was e-mail the client to ask if all was ok and he did not get back to be for three days.

 

And yes the client did have my number.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Stand And Deliver

 

The Message Center is always used to send messages, that is not a particular secret. Escorts ask questions about places to visit in a new town or for travel suggestions (I have done this myself), they also post new pictures, sexual escapades, etc. Clients also raise issues about their experience with escorts, from potential health risks, to poor treatment or, as in this case, no shows.

 

Sometimes the client wants to send a message without going a certain distance. Other times, an escort wants to solicit clients without simply relying on Escort Travels. I really see no harm or foul either way.

 

In any event, clients and escorts alike often respond generally to questions such as this and offer comments which might help in similar or even identical situations. For example, for another client in a similar situation, I would say a NO SHOW review was already in order, especially as appears to be the case, that several attempts to resolve the situation amicably were already attempted. However, Hoo Boy does have a policy of not letting someone submit a second review for the same escort within a twelve month period and I am not certain that even a NO SHOW after an initial rave review within a less than twelve month period would be achieveable.

 

Some of you may remember a client who wrote to Hoo Boy last year asking to submit a negative review or a clarification of a positive review written, the client wrote, at the behest and request of the escort, with the escort essentially standing over the shoulder of the client as the review was written and submitted. Hoo Boy responded, more or less, you submitted a review under false pretense once and now you want to change it? you credibility has already been compromised....

[Rick Munroe]

>Speaking as an escort who has stood up a client before, I had

>a very human excuse.

 

What would be an inhuman excuse? Short-circuited bionic battery pack? :+

[LovesYng]

>There is a well known and positively only reviewed escort in

>SA, Texas that I have met once and had an awesome time with

>(even did a review giving him the highest marks). Since that

>time I have tried several times to set up meetings but it has

>been difficult and with each two that I have been able to set

 

Clients & Escorts do have lifes away from Escorting & Hiring

 

>up he either did not show or has canceled without explanation.

> One time I traveled all the way to SA for a confirmed

>appointment (talked to him the same day and made plans) only

>to have him be a no show (some excuse about not being able to

>find the room because the room number did not exist, which by

 

Did he have a contact number for you??? I think most escorts & clients give each other cell phone numbers to keep in touch

 

>the way I emailed him afterwards a scanned copy of the portion

>of my bill showing the room number and the dates I was there).

> He was very apologetic and said he wanted to meet me to make

>it up to me so we made arrangements well in advance and

>confirmed for an overnighter. I booked my non-refundable

>tickets

 

Always thought but could be wrong that an non-refundable airline ticket can still be used with in one year??

 

for our meeting and then just a few days ago he

>canceled and really did not give a reason.

 

After booking did you send any information to confirm, if I am flying someone to me or the other way around I always send or receive the information ASAP and I always tell the escort I want his information as soon as he books it. This way I know the plans are firmed up. E-Mail is the name of the game

 

I am a bit

>frustrated and starting to feel like he is playing games with

>me or is very unprofessional. My question to the escorts out

>there is how many times is reasonable for a no show or

>canceling appointments (especially if it has cost me money for

>flights and hotels that I can not refund)

 

Again I thought the ticket will be good for one year, plus I don't know of to many hotel chains that you can't cancel. I use a lot of hotels and have canceled some or even change the dates. 99% I can cancel up to 24 hours of the date

 

before one should

>give up or write a review expressing this to others?

 

I think you have to wait one year before posting a new review, is that the reason you posted in the message center???

 

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[wayno]

>>There is a well known and positively only reviewed escort

>in

>>SA, Texas that I have met once and had an awesome time with

>>(even did a review giving him the highest marks). Since

>that

>>time I have tried several times to set up meetings but it

>has

>>been difficult and with each two that I have been able to

>set

>

>Clients & Escorts do have lifes away from Escorting &

>Hiring

>

Agreed and the question is relative to the number of times that someone is disappointed by an escort (or client) before it is not excusable. One time (not finding the room) was explainable but the second time was a bit much. Considering the situation, every effort should have been made to keep the second appointment and as a minimum some apology or concern for the impact should have been given (in the second case none was forthcoming).

 

>>up he either did not show or has canceled without

>explanation.

>> One time I traveled all the way to SA for a confirmed

>>appointment (talked to him the same day and made plans) only

>>to have him be a no show (some excuse about not being able

>to

>>find the room because the room number did not exist, which

>by

>

>Did he have a contact number for you??? I think most

>escorts & clients give each other cell phone numbers to keep

>in touch

>

I had talked to him from the hotel, which I had already provided info on in an email a few days before, so he had the contact info. I live and work overseas so my cell phone does not work in the US.

 

>>the way I emailed him afterwards a scanned copy of the

>portion

>>of my bill showing the room number and the dates I was

>there).

>> He was very apologetic and said he wanted to meet me to

>make

>>it up to me so we made arrangements well in advance and

>>confirmed for an overnighter. I booked my non-refundable

>>tickets

>

>Always thought but could be wrong that an non-refundable

>airline ticket can still be used with in one year??

>

Yes but unfortunately there are other restrictions that while I hope to be able to use it, it is likely that I will not.

 

> for our meeting and then just a few days ago he

>>canceled and really did not give a reason.

>

>After booking did you send any information to confirm, if I

>am flying someone to me or the other way around I always send

>or receive the information ASAP and I always tell the escort I

>want his information as soon as he books it. This way I know

>the plans are firmed up. E-Mail is the name of the game

>

Yes, I sent and got confirmation.

 

> I am a bit

>>frustrated and starting to feel like he is playing games

>with

>>me or is very unprofessional. My question to the escorts

>out

>>there is how many times is reasonable for a no show or

>>canceling appointments (especially if it has cost me money

>for

>>flights and hotels that I can not refund)

>

>Again I thought the ticket will be good for one year, plus

>I don't know of to many hotel chains that you can't cancel. I

>use a lot of hotels and have canceled some or even change the

>dates. 99% I can cancel up to 24 hours of the date

>

Check out some of the on-line discount sites for hotels and some of them do not allow cancelations or changes.

 

> before one should

>>give up or write a review expressing this to others?

>

>I think you have to wait one year before posting a new

>review, is that the reason you posted in the message

>center???

>

>

Part of the reason.

 

>When in doubt I whip it out :+

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

An interesting situation here~

 

While i agree that any 'missed' meeting (more than once in this situation) is COMPLETELY unacceptable and should be dealt with, i do think that escorts are capable of making mistakes, especially when they're new to the industry and are just starting to get things rolling.

 

Added, this is coming from an optomist, so bear with me because i'm more than willing to give others the benefit of the doubt.

 

If i had missed one or more appointments, due to my lack of understanding or anything else percieved as my fault, i would not only offer compensation for time missed, but in this case i would also try to make good on his hotel room. The plane tickets can be taken as airline credit and used (albeit, with a $100 'change fee') for up to a year from the original date of flight. I also think that taking this thread privately would be for the best: Get in contact with eachother and work this out. There's nothing worse than unfinished business and seemingly both people (with Wayno visibly unhappy) in this situation aren't resolved to smooth things over. Not cool.

 

Okay, my more mellow 'Judge Judy' moment of the day has passed. We now return you to your regularly scheduled MC'ing...

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Flower]

 

"I had talked to him from the hotel, which I had already provided info on in an email a few days before, so he had the contact info. I live and work overseas so my cell phone does not work in the US."

 

Looks like a problem caused by poor contact information to me--I'd never fly and meet someone without having a cell that worked and accessible--maybe time he got over it and moved on--you think??

[VaHawk]

>Looks like a problem caused by poor

>contact information to me--I'd never fly and meet someone

>without having a cell that worked and accessible--maybe time

>he got over it and moved on--you think??

 

Sheesh, don't you think that this just might possibly be just a little on the snooty side? How dare you presume to speak for everyone, about what is required, as far as personal communication accessibility!

 

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't have a cell phone and for personal and economic reasons, I never will have one!

 

Did I misread? The client was there in SA on time. The escort had his hotel contact info, but the escort failed to show and/or call, not once, but twice!? :-(

 

Yeah, that is ALL the fault of the client. And as such, the client has no right, whatsoever to complain about the escort?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Sorry to hear about your disappointing experience. I can sympathize up to a point. However, I also have some Dutch Uncle advice.

 

Time to stop playing the victim and cut your losses at two nonrefundable round-trip tickets, one hotel stay, a significant waste of your personal time and a hell of a lot of aggravation. First time, shame on him. Without an adequate reason ( which he did not give) then second time, shame on you. This post could be interpreted as asking permission for another dose. Is a third time really necessary?

 

What is it about the concept of disrespect that eludes you? More important than how hot an escort is or how 'good' he may be or how great the personality... is How well does he treat you?. Well, that is my prority anyway. I'd say you have gotten the treatment plenty. Clearly he doesn't show an abundance of respect for you.

 

It is disappointing to find a guy that seems great once or twice, maybe even more, but then turns out to be unreliable and worse, exhibits a lack of respect. It happens. Many of us have met this type of disappointment. Several episodes have been recounted by members over the years.

 

Write your review if so inclined and move on. Good luck on your future escort endeavors -- there are some great guys out there.

[VaHawk]

"It is disappointing to find a guy that seems great once or twice, maybe even more, but then turns out to be unreliable and worse, exhibits a lack of respect. It happens. Many of us have met this type of disappointment. Several episodes have been recounted here over the years by members.

 

Write your review and move on."

 

Yep, he should write that review, and then have the escort trash him via a non-repliable response, and then get even more trashed by "anything goes, any excuse acceptable, escort worshipping clients" on the mc forums!

 

BTW: have you seen any of those escort worshippers advocating legal actions or even outing, harassing actions against those escorts by the ripped off clients? Of course you haven't!!!!! (as ONLY a ripped off escort is worthy of sympathy, and not a much more often ripped off client)! If I had to place a bet, I would place a bet at 1,000 to 1 odds that the number of ripped off clients FAR EXCEEDS the number of ripped off escorts!!!!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>I would place a bet at 1,000 to 1 odds that the number of

>ripped off clients FAR EXCEEDS the number of ripped off

>escorts!!!!

 

I would take this bet in a New York nonosecond if the term 'client' was broadened to include all of the wannabees and creeps that clutter email inboxes with endless exchanges back and forth for pics and salacious 'details' . Or phone freaks out for pics or to get their rocks off thru 'cyber' or are just don't have the fortitude to actualize their desires by setting an appointment. And of those that do set appointments how many no-show for lack of balls to follow through or those that get their jollies by sending an escort on a bogus appointment to some city hotel at a late hour. There is more to the 'client riff-raff' than the client that stiffs the escort of his fee.

 

Yeah, I'd take that bet. The truth is neither side is exactly pristine and if we could obtain an actual count I'd bet the sicko 'clients' way outnumber the rip-off escorts in absolute numbers. Until that count is made I'll just call it my informed opinion based on personal unscientific polling.

 

However, who wins or loses on this 'question in the large' has no great relevance to me. If I meet one rip-off escort that is one too many. I suspect that one bad client is one too many for the escort too. Nobody likes to get 'screwed' in an unpleasant manner.

[VaHawk]

"If i had missed one or more appointments, due to my lack of understanding or anything else percieved as my fault, i would not only offer compensation for time missed, but in this case i would also try to make good on his hotel room. The plane tickets can be taken as airline credit and used (albeit, with a $100 'change fee') for up to a year from the original date of flight. I also think that taking this thread privately would be for the best: Get in contact with eachother and work this out. There's nothing worse than unfinished business and seemingly both people (with Wayno visibly unhappy) in this situation aren't resolved to smooth things over. Not cool."

 

I have eaten more than one non-refundable, non-exchangeable Orbitz airline ticket, that I had to cancel. Not to mention a default of one overnight stay at hotels at $100+/night for cancellations when booking thru Orbitz.

 

Any client who has a confirmation from an escort, and then spends the airfare and hotel costs to fly to the escort's home site, and then has the escort cancel, is imo, entitled to more than a "reduced" hourly rate from the escort for a future session and reimbursement for one night's hotel costs. What would be the point in pursuing that reduced hourly rate when the escort has already been a no-show twice, and why should a client invest even more airfare/hotel costs to meet the escort for a "reduced fee makeup session"? What about the costs that the client incurred via travel time, and lost time/wages by taking time off from work?

 

Would it be best if wayno took this thread privately? Maybe for the escort in question, but I really don't see how that would benefit the clients who hire that escort based on his multiple positive reviews on this site, unless wayno followed that up with a review of the escort that reiterated what he has stated on this forum.

[VaHawk]

You're on!

 

Wasted bullshit emails between no intent of buying clients and escorts are just part of the normal business. Afterall, how many "potential customers" peruse the new car dealerships, with no serious intention of buying a new car?

 

If only there was a reliable poll that could be taken of the number of clients who have paid for an escort's advertised services and did not get what was advertised and agreed to. I paid for a Mercedes and got a Ford Taurus?? Or even worse, clients who have paid for escort services that were never delivered (nationwide scam ring a bell?).

 

Of course, all the worshippers like to fault themselves, and excuse the escorts, for the disappointing sessions that so many of them endure. BULLSHIT!

[Vincent_Michael]

Honesty is the Best Policy

 

(There is a well known and positively only reviewed escort in SA; Texas that I have met once and had an awesome time with even did a review.)

 

Who Is this Escort? It is me! I responding in a way that admitted guilt but didn’t at the same time I thought I was cute however I see now I just should have done what I am doing now. I can say I honestly had an awesome time with this guy the first time! I was so excited to hear that he wanted an overnight because we had such an awesome time together. As for the communication we did well, I could reach him at his hotel with ease every time.

 

---

On 10/22/04 around 6pm we set up the 29th of October as the overnight. As the days got closer I got these three e-mails from him.

This letter was wrote on 10/23/04

 

I am all set to arrive in SA on Friday, October 29 at 1pm. I have not reserved a hotel yet but will do so sometime early next week on Monday or Tuesday, then I will let you know the details. Do you have a recommendation on a hotel. I sometimes stay at the Hyatt which is usually nice but I am open to other suggestions or ideas. Let me know what you think.

 

This letter was wrote on 10/25/04

 

Hi guy,

 

I will call you when I get to the hotel (is the number 210-834-1396 still the one to call?).

 

This letter was wrote on 10/31/04

 

Hi, I am definitely excited about coming. I want to hear all about your trip and all that is happening in your life. I should be at the hotel around 2 or 2:30pm and will call you then. If there is a better time you prefer to have me call

 

-------

 

 

I have read what Wayno has said about telling me what hotel he was at however he never told me what hotel he was in, just one he was thinking about going to. On the 29th when he called me at 4:30pm from the hotel, I was waking up from a nap and heard him say the Hilton and that made sense because our first meeting was at the Hilton however I was wrong I misheard the information as I would find out later.

 

I got down to the Hilton and surprise to me there was no room number he gave me, I did not know what happened. However no worry I did have the number to which he called me on from the hotel, when I called the number it kept saying all circuits were busy. I called a few people asking for advice and waiting for the next two and a half hours assuming he would call me to ask were I was and why I was so late but he never did. I got home and proceeded to e-mail him right away.

 

After three days of no attempt to contact me here is his e-mail to me.

 

--------

This letter was sent on 11/01/04

 

I just got back to Mexico and this is the first opportunity I have had to check emails as I did not bring my laptop with me and the Hyatt does not have webTV like other hotels. I really do not know what happened. I am fine and waited all evening for you. I can definitely tell you that the Hyatt at the Riverwalk does have room --- and for sure that was the one I was staying in. I can even send you a scanned copy of my room bill and everything. Why didn't you call the room? I waited and then after a couple of hours I thought about calling as I was concerned about you but I thought maybe you were just caught up in traffic or something else came up. I was nervous about calling as I thought maybe something I said might have offended you and I would be embarrassed if you did not want to talk or see me. Sounds silly/stupid but that was what I was thinking. In hindsight, I guess I should have called but I was really confused on what to do as I was sure that you would show or would at least call.

 

This letter was wrote on 11/01/04

I am alive. Just a bit depressed that this whole mess happened. I guess I should have called but as I said I was very confused as what to do. Anyway, I will scan info for you to make sure you know for sure that I was there and was in the room I said. I should be able to send this tomorrow. Again, I feel just awful and if I did anything to offend, I truly apologize.

 

He admits his mistake here and I relies that it was my fault as well for not hearing the correct information however I made a mistake and I am sorry about it, we decided to reschedule an overnight on 12/16/04.

 

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On a separate note Wayno says this

 

I booked my non-refundable tickets for our meeting and then just a few days ago he canceled and really did not give a reason. I am a bit frustrated and starting to feel like he is playing games with me or is very unprofessional

 

I know it may sound like I was screwing with him however I canceled the overnight on 11/18/04 that is a 28day notice. I decided that I no longer wanted to go about seeing him again because I had no way of communication other than that of e-mail and I no longer wanted to risk a repeat of what happened on 10/29/04.

 

Wayno says he sent his information about what flight he was on and the hotel he was staying at but I never got it, I offered to even pick him up from the Airport this time to avoid confusion.

 

I decided it was in the best interest to cancel early rather than late, this is the truth and I hope you guys read it in full and if you have a question you can call me at 210-834-1396

 

I hope the honest to God trust speaks to all of you as it does with everyone I tell it too.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Honesty is the Best Policy

 

>I was nervous

>about calling as I thought maybe something I said might have

>offended you and I would be embarrassed if you did not want to

>talk or see me. Sounds silly/stupid but that was what I was

>thinking. In hindsight, I guess I should have called but I

>was really confused on what to do as I was sure that you would

>show or would at least call.

 

Wayno, now that we see these emails (and btw, Vincent, although it's not against the MC rules to reprint private emails, the rules do state that it is bad manners), it's clear that you share the blame for this unfortunate misunderstanding. In your original post, you left out the part where you could have called the escort to find out where he was but chose not to. Look, I understand that clients get nervous (and sometimes the nervousness is part of the excitement) but you really should have just called him. What if he had been mugged or involved in a traffic accident? Weren't you even curious? (<----channeling my Jewish mother again; sorry) Like I've said before, whether it's during sex or before or after, communication is the key to a good time.

 

Vincent, this should also be a lesson to you that you always need to get contact info. A similar situation happened to me when I was starting out (in my case, the client had transposed the room numbers over the phone) and I, too, waited around in a hotel lobby for almost 2 hours, hoping he'd call, but he never did. That's when I learned to ask for a cell phone number, and to make sure the client has mine. If the client has no cell phone, I make sure I have a name or some other way of contacting him. If I can't get any contact information, then I'm at his mercy }( but at least I've tried. And I always try to call to keep the client updated on my whereabouts while I'm in transit (unless I'm taking the subway), especially if I'm running late. AND I always repeat the room number back to the client a couple of times in a couple of different ways (e.g., if he says "Fifteen thirty", I ask, "One-five-three-zero"?) just to make sure I've heard correctly and that he's said it correctly (sometimes people can get "anxiety-induced dyslexia" ).

 

I hope I have been of some help. Now go be good boys and play nice.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Any client who has a confirmation from an escort, and then

>spends the airfare and hotel costs to fly to the escort's home

>site, and then has the escort cancel, is imo, entitled to more

>than a "reduced" hourly rate from the escort for a future

>session and reimbursement for one night's hotel costs. What

>would be the point in pursuing that reduced hourly rate when

>the escort has already been a no-show twice, and why should a

>client invest even more airfare/hotel costs to meet the escort

>for a "reduced fee makeup session"? What about the costs

>that the client incurred via travel time...

 

Ditto!! If I have entered into a good faith bargain, fronted the nonrefundable travel money and hotel room $ and whatever time I had invested then I am not going to pay additional $ so the escort can fulfill his failed obligation to me. It's his responsibility to follow through for personal satisfaction or reptutation damage control if he desires. There is a cost to doing business. Sometimes the cost is higher to maintain a topline professional business but it usually pays in the long run. Most don't take the long view for whatever reason.

 

IMO this is probably the most widespread shortcoming among escorts -- failure to take responsibility for and desire to make good on partial or complete defaults, including financial responsibility. Fortunately, I have had positive experience with some that offered.

[LovesYng]

RE: Honesty is the Best Policy

 

Very good Rick, I'm so proud of you :* Yes your so right, after reading all the E mails both were at fault. We are human and do fuck up at times. I really wished that this had stayed private but it did not and we live & learn on both parts DAMN at my ripe old age (LoL) I'm still learning. Hopping that we can put a end to this now :*

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[Vincent_Michael]

RE: Honesty is the Best Policy

 

Ditto I offerd all the information I could with being honest and telling it like it was. I feel I am not being a pro but mature and taking responsability