411 David_Cali in San Francisco

[EastbayMike]

30 minutes ago, mike carey said:

How about we talk about whether he is good as an escort...?

How can we discuss his escort skills if no one can determine who the escort actually is due to dead links?

[Mutt]

I don't know how much this applies to this specific person and don't mean it as a criticism of him or any of his clients, but while I think it's fine to discuss, there should be a 'statute of limitations' honor code sort of thing that applies, too. The more distant an experience was, the less predictive it may be of the present. As far as I can tell, these posts don't go away. If something (that was kinda bad but not horrific) happened five years ago and nothing similar has occurred recently (whether good or bad), I'm more likely to add grains of salt.

[former lurker]

8 hours ago, Mutt said:

I don't know how much this applies to this specific person and don't mean it as a criticism of him or any of his clients, but while I think it's fine to discuss, there should be a 'statute of limitations' honor code sort of thing that applies, too. The more distant an experience was, the less predictive it may be of the present. As far as I can tell, these posts don't go away. If something (that was kinda bad but not horrific) happened five years ago and nothing similar has occurred recently (whether good or bad), I'm more likely to add grains of salt.

Time also makes memories less reliable and turns uncertain memories into had fact in the mind.

[builder boy]

Well he’s clearly not.  

[maninsoma]

15 hours ago, Mutt said:

I don't know how much this applies to this specific person and don't mean it as a criticism of him or any of his clients, but while I think it's fine to discuss, there should be a 'statute of limitations' honor code sort of thing that applies, too. The more distant an experience was, the less predictive it may be of the present. As far as I can tell, these posts don't go away. If something (that was kinda bad but not horrific) happened five years ago and nothing similar has occurred recently (whether good or bad), I'm more likely to add grains of salt.

I agree with that.  It's why I reply with a "it's been too long for me to tell you much" statement when I get a PM about someone I met years ago. 

[Milo Janus]

He's only making it worse for him.  We will find him and post him, not because of who he is, but to see if he's worth hiring.  Me thinks he either needs to let it go, or find another line of work.  Sheesh

[maninsoma]

14 hours ago, Milo Janus said:

He's only making it worse for him.  We will find him and post him, not because of who he is, but to see if he's worth hiring.  Me thinks he either needs to let it go, or find another line of work.  Sheesh

I do think that changing one's name repeatedly in response to negative comments made on this forum is a mistake and only makes him look worse.  I know nothing of the guy and don't even know who's being discussed, but one of my biggest red flags is a provider who changes his name repeatedly.

I'll give an example of another way an escort can handle this, without naming names.  There's an escort where some clients posted that the escort had bad body odor.  A few clients replied that they had hired the escort in question and didn't notice any body odor.  Whenever this escort's name came up over a period of years, there would be another post either stating he had bad b.o. or asking whether his b.o. was still an issue.  The escort in question never changed his name.  I don't think I've ever seen him post here (at least not under his escort name), so I don't know how aware of this forum he is.  I don't know whether he asked certain clients to defend him here, but I was one of the clients who posted that I had hired him and hadn't encountered any body odor; I did not do so due to a request from him but rather to give my perspective that that wasn't an issue the couple of times I hired him.  Years later I still think this "does he or doesn't he have bad b.o." reputation haunts him, but it hasn't ruined his business since the majority of posts about him are positive.  I can only imagine how different the outcome for him might have been had he just kept changing his name every time someone asked about him on this forum since that would just saddle him with a second attribute: someone who is attempting to hide from some clients' negative experiences.  If an escort is generally well liked because he pleases his clients, I don't think it matters if there are stray, negative comments or questions.  It's only when someone doesn't have clients who are going to post contrasting positive experiences that an escort has to worry about the clients who were dissatisfied for whatever reason. 

[Mutt]

This is turning wretched and predatory. A man should not be indicted for every misdeed of his life, and the miscommunications and flakiness being alleged are barely misdeeds. A few may want to pick up pitchforks and torches and chase this man across the earth, but I'm not one of them.