Jason Tyler...

[Guest JasonTyler]

As I said before there are two sides to every story.

And I am currently dealing with a person who is “unstable”. At the moment I am dealing with my lawyers in regards to the fraudulent claim that he said that he was trying to put on my credit report. If things persist I have received some great advise from other escorts on this site that have dealt with this type of person before.

And will be contacting is employer about the abuse of his privileges at his work i’m obtaining my SS#, my address and my parents address.

 

I don't feel like typing a novel again. If hooboy decided to take my side of the story off simply because I put an e-mail address on there then why didn't the just erase that. And leave the rest. What ever the case may be.

This is my situation and i'm dealing with it. This is why I will never travel with another client again unless we meet first.

This is a great example to every other escort. SAFTY is of the utmost importance. I should have gotten out of there the minute I stepped off the plane.

Everyone who has ever hired me before has written nothing but good things, and all my reviews are excellent.

I’m not on here to say this did not happen. It certainly did. I am on here to state the truth of the matter. But my voice was shut off of here by this site. All those who read my side of the story.. before it was taken off. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE REPLYS, and SUPPORT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME and THE ADVISE. You know who you are. And my appreciation to you is great. There are some really good people on here.

And I’m one of them too. Its sad that one person is trying so hard to put me down. But you know what. It takes more than a sappy lie, and a bad review to cut me down.

I have no worries. I take the internet for what’s its worth and that’s not much more than a grain of salt.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Jason~

 

As much as this whole situation you were involved in was horrific for you, posting again may be just adding fuel to the fire. My opinion on this matter is inconsequential at any rate, but always be careful when posting in an open forum. Remember that words create images and when one tends to type with the grace of a construction worker, people will tend to paint a rather unsavory picture.

 

I highly recommend using that 'preview' button more often, especially if you'd like to keep any remaining shred of credibility around here. This isn't being said to be spiteful~ it's simple honesty and i would expect the same in turn from any of the guys who post here daily.

 

Perhaps you've made it crystal clear though when saying you take everything on the internet with a 'grain of salt.' If so, just take this message as incessant babble and go about your daily workouts or something....

 

 

 

I do, however, hope your troubles with your former client do not escalate any further and that things can be settled relatively peacefully. It's not easy when one or more parties take things too far and then you're left letting lawyers bicker things out.

 

 

 

 

Warmest Regards,

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[email protected]

http://www.ChiKindaKid.com

[Rick Munroe]

>But my voice was shut off of here by this site.

 

Actually, it wasn't. Hooboy moved your statement to your review page, where rebuttals usually go. It appears right after the negative review, giving you the last word there.

[Guest 7Zach]

jason, your side of the story, with the client's name and address omitted, was posted as a response to his review under "Newest Reviews".

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

(I just LOVE IT when the escorts reply again! More red meat! Yum yum!)

 

>As I said before there are two sides to every story.

>And I am currently dealing with a person who is “unstable”.

>At the moment I am dealing with my lawyers

 

"Lawyers" PLURAL!?!? How many lawyers are you paying to take care of one bogus claim on your credit report?

 

 

>in regards to the

>fraudulent claim that he said that he was trying to put on

>my credit report.

 

WAIT! Now you say he's "trying". Has he or has he not put a claim on your report? Until it shows up on your report, I don't know what your LAWYERS (plural) can do for you.

 

 

>And will be contacting is employer about the abuse of his

>privileges at his work i’m obtaining my SS#, my address and

>my parents address.

 

I'd LOVE to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation. How are you going to finesse the issue of you being a whore?

 

 

>I don't feel like typing a novel again.

 

Shucks!

 

 

>This is a great example to every other escort. SAFTY is of

>the utmost importance.

 

You will never be able to convince me that he really knows how to spell that word.

 

 

>I should have gotten out of there

>the minute I stepped off the plane.

 

Why? What happenend when you got off the plane? You said the unthinkable occurred when you got to the room and discovered you were going to be trapped there with a fat man you weren't attracted to.

 

 

>Everyone who has ever hired me before has written nothing

>but good things,

 

To be accurate, everyone who has ever hired you has NOT written a review. Only those who have written them have. Let's stick to the facts.

 

 

>and all my reviews are excellent.

 

Maybe you missed Review #2 that had you as a "no show". I don't think that would fall in the "excellent" column. Furthermore, with the exception of our beloved Traveller, all your reviews are from first-timers. Hmmmmm.

 

 

>There are some really good people on here.

>And I’m one of them too.

 

The jury's still out on that one and it doesn't look good.

 

 

>Its sad that one person is trying

>so hard to put me down.

 

He's also trying to get his $3000 back. What about THAT?

 

 

>I take the internet for what’s its worth

>and that’s not much more than a grain of salt.

 

You're screwing up your metaphors.

 

 

Ah, Jason Jason Jason. What are we going to do about you? Huh? We've got a nice kid like Kristian getting manhandled by the FBI for nothing and there you are, stealing guy's money and no one is after you. I guess it's just another one of life's merry little pranks.

 

Philosophically yours,

 

FFF

[CT Dick]

Jason, this is clearly an unpleasant experience for you. From my reading, you made two mistakes: you broke your own rule by doing an away call with a stranger and you took his $3,000 even though you didn't supply the service he was paying you for.

 

The first mistake could have been because you were hungry for all that money or because your kind heart buckled under his pleading. Either way, I hope you have learned that lesson well.

 

As to the money, face it, you took the full amount without providing the unnamed service that you both know you were being paid for.

 

I think that you can regain lots of credibility by negotiating with your client to return a good portion of the sum. After all, you didn't even have to pay your own way home.

 

You might consider keeping $600 (your base rate for the two nights you were unable to work for other clients) and returning the rest. If the unhappy client refuses this, he comes across as unreasonable and you are left on the high ground.

 

Remember, there are guys reading your story picturing you as someone who left early with the full fare. That could ultimately cost you more than returning $2400.

 

Dick

[Guest Kenny021]

"You might consider keeping $600 (your base rate for the two nights you were unable to work for other clients) and returning the rest. If the unhappy client refuses this, he comes across as unreasonable and you are left on the high ground. "

 

WHAT???This guy provided NOTHING. He CHOSE to leave. He hardly spent anytime with the client. He was either at the gym working out or sitting in the "can". He had a brief hookup with the client at the bar and was completely repulsed by the client's profestations of "I love you". If the client refuses to give him $600 he comes accross as "unreasonable and you (Jason) are left on the high ground".

WOW...I love that rationalization. If I were the client, I'de put this guy into jail for stealing $3000. Yes, I would spill the beans to the cops that I was hireing a whore. Unfortunately, this particular client is unwilling or unable, for personal reasons, to do that.

[marc anthony]

If I were the client,

>I'de put this guy into jail for stealing $3000. Yes, I

>would spill the beans to the cops that I was hireing a

>whore. Unfortunately, this particular client is unwilling

>or unable, for personal reasons, to do that.

 

Ummmm, Kenny... first let me say that I am not taking sides in this whole thing because I don't know the whole story. I could see either side having a point depending on who is stretching the truth more.

 

But this whole situation has happened before (and beaten to death on this board), where a client fronted an escort the money and the service was not provided, be it the fault of client or escort. Under the eyes of the law, this is not stealing, it is a contract dispute. The police would not get involved (except to arrest both of you for prostitution if anything). Courts would have a nice laugh (if you had a judge with a sense of humor) in exerting jurisdiction over a contract dispute over an illegal transaction!

 

I think all that CT Dick was doing was trying to act as a mediator in this dispute and propose a nice "out of court settlement" to the whole mess. As far as such compromises go, it wasn't that bad an idea. Unfortunately, the way things are going, it doesn't seem likely that any solutions are forthcoming, and what we will likely have are 2 losers, a flame war on this board, and then some posters who jump ship and/or change names.

:7

[Guest JasonTyler]

>I'd LOVE to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation. How

>are you going to finesse the issue of you being a whore?

 

First of all how bout you not worry about what I'm going to do with life. Because quite frankly, its really none of your business, but you keep butting in because I love effective criticism. It always builds good character.

I must say that’s a great comment about me being a "whore...” hmmm I hope that you don't think that about every escort. Or is it just about me.

 

 

Let me ask you something Mr. Fee Foe Fum, and be honest..

Do you hire escorts?

 

Traveler as you were talking about him as well, is a great guy, who has a lot to offer a person. More than just sex, he has become a good friend to me. I see him every week.

I wonder what you look like. No need to be bitter about everything. Sour grapes is not your color.

Oh Yeah, before I forget…

You mentioned that all my reviews except a couple were all from “First timers.” Well they keep coming back for more so I must be doing something right. I guess it’s the fucking. Cause I’m a” whore” remember. We’ll as we all say…” Use what we you have to make money. “

I’m sure I could find something good about you too. Even though you sit on here and continue to cut me down. But it’s ok. We all act a little immature sometimes don’t we.

Projection is a dead give away

 

Philosophically up my ass!

 

Jason Tyler

[Guest newawlens]

>I

>could see either side having a point depending on who is

>stretching the truth more.

 

Me too.

 

>

>But this whole situation has happened before (and beaten to

>death on this board), where a client fronted an escort the

>money and the service was not provided, be it the fault of

>client or escort. Under the eyes of the law, this is not

>stealing, it is a contract dispute. The police would not

>get involved (except to arrest both of you for prostitution

>if anything).

 

I actually know of a case in which a guy hired a (male) hooker through an agency while he was in DC on a business trip. The hooker stole some money from him while leaving. The john decided he was willing to face the embarrassment of reporting it if he could get his money back, so he reported it. The cops nabbed the hooker and also shut the agency down.

 

>Courts would have a nice laugh (if you had a

>judge with a sense of humor) in exerting jurisdiction over a

>contract dispute over an illegal transaction!

 

That's not exactly true. It's true that a court won't enforce a contract to commit a crime. But if the party who was to be paid took the money and did nothing a court might well order the return of the money on the grounds of unjust enrichment.

 

At any rate, we see a lot of stories on this board about problems with the bargains made by hookers and johns. People often look to the law of contracts in discussing those problems. That is not because that law is actually going to be applied but because it represents the thinking of generations of jurists and scholars on how disputes about bargains between people should be resolved. I don't know of any superior body of knowledge that exists on the subject, do you?

[Guest elwood]

Jason,I don't know whether it was wise or not but I do give you some credit for coming back to this forum and presenting your views. In all honesty,I have to say, that I think you behaved badly and in a very unethical manner in taking the money and leaving as you did.From what I read I think the client was a whacko.But I think that you dealt with this badly..but perhaps you panicked.I know that $3000 is a lot of money to be offered....but you even admitted it did not feel right.But still you accepted.It is clear from your responses that you are offended by being called a "whore".But realy you are acepting money for having sex with people you would never have sex with in other circumstances.Right? That is how you are currently making your living or at least part of it.Your comments also reveal a certain contempt for older and {to you} less physically attractive men.Yet you derive a lot of income from them.

I am sure you are too young to realize that one day...you will find yourself aging and less attractive on a certain level..but nonetheless...this is one of the aspects of the escort/client relationship...and part of life.The client reveals by his review that wisdom is by no means automatic with age.Also, part of the manipulation here goes both ways. Young attractive men ( as you are) can, in some ways, wrap older and insecure gay men around their fingers. It never ceases to amaze me how many men there are out there who will totally fall for youth and good looks DESPITE the warnings of others who have been demeaned and cheated.Also the wealth and power some clients seem to have can be both enticing and coercive. Clients are foolish to believe they can "buy" anything more than fun and companionship. To me..fun and companionship are why I hire. I view the escort as providing a real service that is well worth a reasonable price.To pursue more you risk becoming a "stalker"

I treat the people I hire with respect and I have no illusions about the relationship.There is manipulation and exploitation on both sides of the escort/client relationship.You have been quite honest here Jason, perhaps unintentionally, perhaps not.I find your photographs very attractive....but I would NEVER hire you. But I feel you have also shown that you might just mature.Think about this whole thing and learn from it.Learn to be more cautious,more honest with yourself,less manipulative and contemptuous of your clients.I do not put all the blame here on you.

The client seems like a fool and apparently you even feared a bit for your safety.Never put yourself in an unsafe situation.But to me...taking ALL the money and then manipulating ANOTHER{foolish} client into paying your airfare home..is way beyond what is acceptable.I hope you don't have such a low opinion of your own talents to think that all you can make a living from is your looks and cock. But even if indeed they ARE your best assests..you still need to re-assess your business practices.You can look into virtually any profession or walk of life and see good and bad people...manipulative and dishonest as well as kind and ethical. I don't think getting paid for sex is bad or unethical.It can be a true service.It depends upon the person. We can't judge you .Jason.But even your own responses make me cringe.I hope you can work it out and I hope no one else will be so foolish as to offer you $3000 up front

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

Fools rush in..........

 

>First of all how bout you not worry about what I'm going to

>do with life.

 

For me to worry "bout" your life I'd first have to care.

 

 

>Because quite frankly, its really none of your

>business, but you keep butting in because I love effective

>criticism.

 

Huh? How does your dubious claim of loving effective criticism cause me to butt in? That's a real head-scratcher.

 

 

>It always builds good character.

 

Unless, of course, you have none to build on.

 

 

>I must say that’s a great comment about me being a

>"whore...” hmmm I hope that you don't think that about every

>escort. Or is it just about me.

 

Don't worry, it's all about you baby. It's all about you.

 

 

>Let me ask you something Mr. Fee Foe Fum, and be honest..

>Do you hire escorts?

 

I have hired them but I don't have any immediate plans of hiring one in the future. Why, you wanna give me a freebie?

 

 

>Traveler as you were talking about him as well, is a great

>guy,

 

Lo and behold we have found common ground.

 

 

>I see him every week.

 

EVERY week? What say you Traveller?

 

 

>I wonder what you look like.

 

You'd be surprised.

 

 

>Sour grapes is not your color.

 

You have a habit of mixing your metaphors.

 

 

>Oh Yeah, before I forget…

> You mentioned that all my reviews except a couple were all

>from “First timers.”

 

No, I said they were all first timers except ONE.

 

 

>Well they keep coming back for more

 

You're begging the question.

 

 

>I must be doing something right. I guess it’s the fucking.

 

Well, it certainly isn't your command of the written word.

 

 

>Cause I’m a” whore” remember. We’ll as we all say…” Use what

>we you have to make money. “

 

Who exactly is the "we all" that says that. I don't recall ever saying it.

 

 

>We all act a little immature sometimes don’t we.

 

Some of us more often than others.

 

 

Jason Jason Jason. I have a suggestion that will truly help you: go away.

 

Helpfully yours,

 

FFF

[Guest 7Zach]

unless it's codified obligations...

[Guest Dan]

>

>>As I said before there are two sides to every story.

>>And I am currently dealing with a person who is “unstable”.

>>At the moment I am dealing with my lawyers

>

>"Lawyers" PLURAL!?!? How many lawyers are you paying to take

>care of one bogus claim on your credit report?

>

yeah, cochran, bailey, dershowitz...the dream team!

 

Sorry, couldn't help that one!

 

me post pretty one day on massage bored

 

Dan Dare

http://gaydar.co.uk/dandarela

[Guest Charon]

Since you seem to appreciate good advice, here's some more:

 

Don't steal.

[HooBoy]

Someone wrote:

 

>>>Jason. I have a suggestion that will truly help you: go away<<<

 

Jason -- I appreciate your coming here and posting your thoughts and opinions.

 

Over the past 4 years, this website raised the bar and both sides of the issue benefited. Whenever an escort, the HUMAN BEING this site is devoted to is scared away, we all lose.

 

Please do NOT go away.

[Huey]

>Jason~

>

> As much as this whole situation you were involved in was

>horrific for you, posting again may be just adding fuel to

>the fire.

 

Benjamin you had the first word in this thread ... and it's too bad that no one paid attention:( .

 

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WAR IS OVER

if you want it

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

[Traveller]

>EVERY week? What say you Traveller?

>

 

For a few months when I first met and reviewed him, absolutely. Not the case for awhile now. I do see him quite frequently, but it's purely social. No sex. No money changing hands. I'd still recommend him in the rack and think he's a great guy.

 

Later.

 

PS. And the BF thinks he's a nice guy also, without ever having slept with him. Probably wouldn't think so if he knew I had.

[Donnie]

>I'd still recommend him in the rack and

>think he's a great guy.

 

A recommendation from someone who incessantly brags about his drug and sex addictions. How nice.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>>>>Jason. I have a suggestion that will truly help you: go away<<<

>

>Jason -- I appreciate your coming here and posting your

>thoughts and opinions.

>

>Over the past 4 years, this website raised the bar and both

>sides of the issue benefited. Whenever an escort, the HUMAN

>BEING this site is devoted to is scared away, we all lose.

>

>Please do NOT go away.

 

My suggestion is based upon the fact that everytime he opens his mouth, he digs himself in a little deeper. However, if Jason wants to keep opening his yap, I'll be happy to listen. There's a certain gruesome fascination in watching someone self-destruct.

 

Observantly yours,

 

FFF

[phage]

>>I'd still recommend him in the rack and

>>think he's a great guy.

>

>A recommendation from someone who incessantly brags about

>his drug and sex addictions. How nice.

 

A recommendation from someone who likes to have a good time and seems to be honest about the things he does whether the old biddies of the board like it or not. I’m sure a prissy thing like you would be well advised to do the opposite of whatever Traveller recommends. You wouldn’t want to screw up and actually have some fun.

[Cooper]

>A recommendation from someone who incessantly brags about

>his drug and sex addictions. How nice.

 

Hey, come on Donnie, lighten up. What's that proverb about "he who is without sin cast the first stone". So what if Trav isn't prefect, who around here is???...I thought this board was about boasting of our sinful "addictions". I get enough about morals from my minister, I'm here to read and talk about those good ol "mortal sins".

 

Like many others who post here, I take Trav's recommendations seriously. I hope that Australian he told us about who shoots a load 4 feet is still around. I'm sure the NYFD would like to have him among their ranks.

[Donnie]

>A recommendation from someone who likes to have a good time

>and seems to be honest about the things he does

 

Really? Tell that to his bf.

[phage]

>Really? Tell that to his bf.

 

I think it was pretty clear by the reference to the old biddies of the board, that I was talking about him in the context of this message center. It’s his veracity as the ‘Zagat Guide to Escorts’ that concerns me, and wasn’t that what you were commenting on? His ability to provide a recommendation on an escort?

 

His relationship with his BF is his business, but you’ll note, he is honest with us about that too. I guess it will be an issue if he ever gets put up for sainthood, but until then, I’m really just concerned about his opinions on professional plowboys.

[Donnie]

>His relationship with his BF is his business, but you’ll

>note, he is honest with us about that too.

 

Beautiful. You're kidding, right? He's honest with anonymous strangers but not with the person he's supposedly committed to. Brilliant.

 

I don't doubt his ability to recommend hung Brazilian escorts but I can't help finding pathetic his constant need to discuss his drug addiction as if it's "cool."