The protests are working

[Rick Munroe]

...and it's just the beginning.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/24/13811/931/272/665857

[Argos]

Get over it, Rick. In California same sex couples have all of the legal rights as married couples that can be granted to them by the State. The only difference in that a same sex union is called a domestic partnership and a heterosexual union is called a marriage. BFD! Why don't you spend your time and effort trying to get equal rights for same sex couples at the Federal level? It would be a much better use of the limited funds available to the gay community as they battle this issue. I am 100% in favor of making certain that same sex couples have the same rights and privileges as heterosexual couples and I am dismayed that there has not been more to grant Federal rights to same sex couples. It is time to focus attention on that issue and get over the passage of Proposition 8. Identify onespecific right the domestic partnership laws in CA do not grant to same sex couples that are granted to heterosexual couples-- other than the name or title designated to their union. If you can identify such a right I will be at the front of the line trying to get another initiative on the ballot in California to overturn Prop 8.

[Rick Munroe]

>Get over it, Rick.

 

Richard Pearce, this was your response to the "Who's in the closet" thread:

 

"I am definitely in the closet with respect to my male attraction. I love women and have been married but no kids. I definitely enjoy the company of and sex with men but I don't share this part of my life with my friends, coworkers or family. Like many I was raised in a very conservative Christian family and recognize that many in the fundamentalist ranks would consider my bisexuality nothing but hypocrisy."

 

I think that explains a lot about your reaction to my post. You'll never be marrying a man, so why should this issue matter to you? However, luckily, there are lots of straight people out there who realize that this is a civil rights issue, and they are joining in the protests while you sit in your closet and tell me to get over it.

 

Have a good night.

[Guest zipperzone]

Right on !!! Good for you Rick.

[seaboy4hire]

I've been thinking the last few weeks about this prop 8 and protesting. Where were the huge protests in other states when their governing bodies passed laws stating marriage or what ever one might want to call it is between a man and a woman? Why is it so special that Ca. passed such a law by the voters but when a governing body does it (rights taken away that were granted or not) people barely bat an eye and move on.

 

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[seaboy4hire]

I just want to say that I'm not attacing the protest of prop 8 as it might sound I am to some.

 

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[ariadne1880]

This is a typical response by the far left gay activists when someone disagrees with them on this subject. Rather than a reasonable discussion of the subject, they attack the poster. And they really think they are better than the far right wing nut jobs who call them "fags." They need to take a look in the mirror. Their actions and tactics are the same as those they deplore.

[Argos]

Rick-- you still haven't answered my question. Identify one right that same sex couples are not granted under the domestic partnership laws in California that is granted to a heterosexual couple-- except calling their union a marriage. You know as well as I do there are none. You need to pick the right battle in the fight for civil rights and it seems to me that battle is trying to get equal rights for gays on the Federal level and focusing attention where it really counts. I personally would financially support such an endeavor. With limited financial resources available to the gay community it seems to me fighting over what your union is called is a waste of money-- especially when same sex couples have no Federal rights/benefits. That is the point of my post. You are misguided in thinking that my views are any longer colored by my religious upbringing and/or marital status. I actually am no longer married and the abusive religious upbringing is a thing of the past.

[Argos]

Rick, I should also point out that I personally voted against Proposition 8 and contributed money toward the campaign in the very beginning, but the more I thought about it, the more I became angry that several of my friends who are in domestic partnerships do not have the same Federal Rights that heterosexual couples have. That is when I really recognized the need to focus on that issue. I am not at all opposed to calling a same sex union a marriage. However, what I am opposed to is focusing on this issue when there is a much more important one at stake. Why don't the Prop 8 protests at least include the fact that same sex couples do not have the same Federal Rights as married couples. Focus the battle, Rick, and win the war.

[+ glutes]

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[+ deej]

>Identify one right that same sex couples are not granted under

>the domestic partnership laws in California

 

Portability.

 

Domestic partnerships in CA are not recognized in IL (or anywhere else outside CA). Marriage travels.

 

You said name one ... here's a longer list (stolen from elsewhere):

 

some of the federal rights married folks have but civil union folks don't -

 

Access to Military Stores

Assumption of Spouse's Pension

Bereavement Leave

Immigration

Insurance Breaks

Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner

Sick Leave to Care for Partner

Social Security Survivor Benefits

Tax Breaks

Veteran's Discounts

Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison

 

Here are a few of the state level benefits within the United States:

 

Assumption of Spouse's Pension

Automatic Inheritance

Automatic Housing Lease Transfer

Bereavement Leave

Burial Determination

Child Custody

Crime Victim's Recovery Benefits

Divorce Protections

Domestic Violence Protection

Exemption from Property Tax on Partner's Death

Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse

Insurance Breaks

Joint Adoption and Foster Care

Joint Bankruptcy

Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)

Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner

Certain Property Rights

Reduced Rate Memberships

Sick Leave to Care for Partner

Visitation of Partner's Children

Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison

Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits

 

also married couples may not be compelled to testify against their spouse in court, but civil union folks can be forced. there is a confidential marital communication that exists, but not for civil unions.

[+ David-SF]

"This is a typical response by the far left gay activists when someone disagrees with them on this subject. Rather than a reasonable discussion of the subject, they attack the poster."

 

does that include "asswipe" and numerous other name calling you participate in from your beautiful log cabin with your alleged hot Adonis boyfriend sitting in the rose garden sipping tea and educating your friends and neighbors about tolerance.

 

 

"If you can identify such a right I will be at the front of the line trying to get another initiative on the ballot in California to overturn Prop 8."

 

Now that Deej has so brilliantly pointed out just a few rights that come with marriage and not civil unions or domestic partnerships

 

hope you keep your word Argos

oh yeah and good job cleaning up your first post

 

you can start here

 

 

 

* Equality California

* jointheimpact.com

* Just FAIR

* Let California Ring

* Marriage Forward

* NoOnProp8.com

 

 

maybe you can help fight some of those battles with us while some people can sit back and be bitter and cling to the fantasy lives.

thanks for your help I really appreciate it.

have a great day

 

 

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[Rick Munroe]

deej and David...anything I would add to your perfect posts would just be redundant. Great job, guys.

[Rick Munroe]

Greg, people have been protesting all of the recent horrible anti-gay votes, not just Prop. 8 in California. But what made that one especially egregious is that it took away a right that was already there; it was not just reaffirming a ban. But we have a big victory in Florida today. A judge just ruled that the gay adoption ban is unconstitutional. Check it out:

 

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/25/11499/247/933/666221

[ariadne1880]

Actually you are completely wrong. There is no state in the union -- except New York, CT, and Massachusetts -- that recognizes a "gay" marriage performed in California. In fact, most states have laws on the books which explicitly prohibit recognizing gay marriages performed in other states.

 

The poster is correct. This is a battle over a word. Totally and completely silly.

[ariadne1880]

Can't take seriously anyone who calls himself "8inchtool."

 

Calling someone an "asswipe" for expressing a stupid opinion is a far cry from calling someone a "Jesus freak" or a "fag."

 

But I know you won't get that because you have a 42 IQ and only think with your alleged 8 inch tool.

 

When gay people stop thinking with their dicks and start to think like the rest of society the world will be a better place.

[ariadne1880]

The sad thing is that you think a ruling by a judge on this issue is a "big victory" for gays and gay rights.

 

You just really don't get it.

 

There is a tyranny of gay thought -- we are in danger of becoming like the monolithic so-called black "civil rights" leaders -- that says you can only think one way or you are to be destroyed.

 

Did anyone think that many of the people who voted for Prop 8 are not "anti-gay" but actually "pro-marriage?" Never gave that a second thought, did you?

 

Sad, so sad. I am gratified by all the private e-mails I've gotten supporting my position. But it's sad that these people who represent far more in our community than the far left wing nuts want to admit are afraid to say so publicly for fear of being attacked.

 

As one person said, "why do a bunch of hookers care about gay marriage?"

[Rick Munroe]

>Did anyone think that many of the people who voted for Prop 8

>are not "anti-gay" but actually

>"pro-marriage?"

 

LOL! Taking away a person's right to get married is "pro-marriage"? And you talk about David's IQ? :+

 

>I am gratified by all the private e-mails I've

>gotten supporting my position.

 

LOL That is the oldest, lamest trick on the internet. When someone's incapable of winning (or even having) an argument, they either (a) create aliases to back themselves up and agree with themselves, or (b) talk about all of the secret, private emails they've received that back them up, and for which they are "gratified." If all of these people support your position, why are they sending you private emails instead of posting it here? This is an anonymous message board. "They" would not need to do it privately.

 

Isn't there a reality show message board where you'd have more fun and feel more at home?

[Rick Munroe]

>When gay people stop thinking with their dicks and start to

>think like the rest of society the world will be a better

>place.

 

This is coming from a supposedly grown man who gets giddy over half-naked guys on reality shows. :+

[+ David-SF]

I am a hooker ?

oh my god how could this happen to me.

I thought I was a human damn it

BTW 7 & 3/4 inchs to be honest

but a lonely bitter deluded queen hanging out on an escort forum

claiming to be happily involved with some dreamlike movie star boyfriend

HELLO !!! WAKE UP !!!

GET REAL

How can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously

I'll admit you make some interesting points and have every right to do so

and I respect them but you are just plain mean spirited and a fucking asshole to anyone that disagrees with you in the most ridiculous ways

not to mention a complete and utter hypocrite.

 

I believe it reminds me of 6th grade shenanigans

(i cant win so I am going to try to hurt your feelings

stamp my feet and be a total bitch.)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

your in a dream world and no one can reason with insanity.

and i would never want to change your thoughts or feelings everyone has a right to believe what they want

its really no contest go ahead live in your palace on the coast with Fabio (alleged boyfriend )

and I will keep banging my 7& 3/4 inch cock against whatever issue i choose to and having the time of my life doing what i do

living well and caring about important matters, being useful and helpful where ever i can.

don't see me raging on about how people should get over it and stop doing what they choose to do

nope that would be you 90% of your time on this MC

 

 

 

:-)

[Guest zipperzone]

>>When gay people stop thinking with their dicks and start

>to

>>think like the rest of society the world will be a better

>>place.

>

>This is coming from a supposedly grown man who gets giddy over

>half-naked guys on reality shows. :+

 

Do you think the 1880 in his screen name (ariadne1880) is his date of birth or his weight?

[Guest zipperzone]

>but a lonely bitter deluded queen hanging out on an escort

>forum

>claiming to be happily involved with some dreamlike movie star

>boyfriend

>HELLO !!! WAKE UP !!!

>GET REAL

 

You forgot to mention his fantasy TV journalist cousin - ANDERSON COOPER

[Guest zipperzone]

>Did anyone think that many of the people who voted for Prop 8

>are not "anti-gay" but actually

>"pro-marriage?" Never gave that a second thought,

>did you?

 

What an idiot you are!

 

People who voted for Prop 8 are indeed "anti-gay". If they were just "pro-marriage" they would have wanted everyone to be able to marry.

 

>Sad, so sad. I am gratified by all the private e-mails I've

>gotten supporting my position.

 

Another of your fantasies - just like you Adonis boyfriend and gay cousin.

[seaboy4hire]

Why should a bunch of ookers care about getting married? Well let's see Rick & Derick have been together at least 15-20 yrs & Boobers & I have been together 11 yrs in Feb of 09. We both should be able to enjoy the full rights under the law & not have our relationships be treated like 2nd class under the law. How's that for hookers caring about gay marriage.

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[Guest ReturnOfS]

Get over it?

 

Statement like that are all of the motivation I need.