Who voted against gay marriage in California?

[ariadne1880]

Interesting numbers have been released ... this is how it broke down by ethnic group. A "Yes" vote is a vote for the amendment.

 

49% Yes 51% No -- White voters

49% Yes 51% No -- Asian voters

70% Yes 30% No -- Black voters

60% Yes 40% No -- Hispanic voters

 

Very interesting, I thought.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Sign this petition to support the legal effort to amend our tax laws such that the Mormon Church, and other transgressing churches, would lose tax-exempt status if they continue lobbying for state propositions. It was largely due to them that gays and lesbians lost their existing right to marry in California!

 

 

It takes three seconds to sign!

 

 

http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/

[ariadne1880]

It's interesting that often those who fight for rights for themselves want us to take aways rights from others.

 

I am not about, in the interest of gay rights, take away someone's right to free speech which is what this is.

 

Many of the churches and others that were fighting for gay rights also have tax-exempt status. Would you take away their right too or just the Mormon Church's?

 

It's a slippery slope. I, for one, don't wish to go on it.

[Guest msclonly]

It is a tough fight for a minority to impose their demands on the majority. In this matter, the Mormon Church is part of the majority and had little to do with the majority view, since few others are concerned with it's positions.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

All Churches/Synagouges/Mosques/temples/convents/religious

 

orders/religious organizations who use the political process to

 

continue to oppress any minority/espouse a partisan politicial

 

agenda/attempt to influence public policy/threaten to excommunicate

 

elected officials or office seekers who do not tow the line should

 

pay taxes.

 

 

The IRS exception for churches is based on the flawed assumptions

 

that the promotion of organized religion is beneficial to society as

 

a whole.

 

 

If politics you wish to play, taxes it is you should pay

[Guest ReturnOfS]

>Sign this petition to support the legal effort to amend our

>tax laws such that the Mormon Church, and other transgressing

>churches, would lose tax-exempt status if they continue

>lobbying for state propositions. It was largely due to them

>that gays and lesbians lost their existing right to marry in

>California!

>

>

>It takes three seconds to sign!

>

>

>http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/

>

>

>

 

Thank you for posting Wetwildbear. I signed the petition for them to start paying taxes for working so hard to take away our rights.

 

Now if we wanted to take away their RIGHTS, we should start a petition to take away the rights of members of the Mormon church to get married. But we're not doing that. We're signing a petition to have the Mormon church do the same thing as citizens of Washington, DC do; pay taxes. However the clergy who run the Mormon church have a right that citizens of the nation's capitol don't, the right to vote for a voting member of Congress (As least the ones who don't live in DC).

[Guest PWIT]

>The IRS exception for churches is based on the flawed

>assumptions

 

Tax laws originate from congress - not the IRS.

 

>If politics you wish to play, taxes it is you should pay

 

Would that be an across the board policy? Unions, charities and non-profits who wish to play would also pay? Or do you just want it to apply to churches?

[+ deej]

>Would that be an across the board policy? Unions, charities and

>non-profits who wish to play would also pay?

 

That works for me.

 

If you want a place at the table, pony up.

[RM]

Not to be nitpicky, but Wetnwildbear did not say that the IRS exception was written by the IRS.

[Guest Ca Robert]

More on the LDS Church

 

Yes, it's true, I was a Mormon!! Very few people know that, it's a secret I keep to myself. Well, believe this or not, not all Mormons are mindless cult members who easily follow the "prophet" on this issue. As a matter of fact, resignations are at an all time high, and the church has had many opponents to its anti-gay marriage policy become vocal.

 

It's hard for Mormons when they have a brother/sister/son/daughter who's gay. All our lives we are taught "family first", and when it comes down to a choice over your child or the church, most Mormons opt for their child. This was not easy for them, trust me.

 

I have a friend who works in membership records in SLC, and he tells me they are overwhelmed by the numbers of resignations coming in now. They had the same experience in 2000 in California.

 

Now there are protests outside Mormon temples and other places of worship. This is not the publicity they want. They have issued statements from SLC to "forgive and forget" and "whatever side you were on, love each other" as a way of trying to heal the rift this created. I don't know if they will continue the fight or not, but it really got Mormons thinking.

 

For more info on gay mormons, check out http://www.affirmation.org.

[+ Tygerscent]

It's interesting that some of the groups who were supporters of Prop 8 are also parts of groups who fought for their own civil rights and seem to be neglecting others now~ Still does not make sense in my minds how provision of tax breaks, inheritance privilages, health care decision privilages and shared insurance are only provided for heterosexual couples.

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[Guest PWIT]

>Not to be nitpicky, but Wetnwildbear did not say that the IRS

>exception was written by the IRS.

 

True. But the IRS doesn't decide what organizations get exceptions. Their latitude in the interpretation and enforcement of the laws does not extend that far.

[Guest PWIT]

>It's interesting that some of the groups who were supporters

>of Prop 8 are also parts of groups who fought for their own

>civil rights and seem to be neglecting others now~

 

Many blacks do not see the civil rights comparison.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-cannick8-2008nov08,0,5044196.story

[seattlebottom]

>Interesting numbers have been released ... this is how it

>broke down by ethnic group. A "Yes" vote is a vote

>for the amendment.

>

>49% Yes 51% No -- White voters

>49% Yes 51% No -- Asian voters

>70% Yes 30% No -- Black voters

>60% Yes 40% No -- Hispanic voters

>

>Very interesting, I thought.

 

When I voted I didn't have to check any box identifying my racial/ethno make up. I'm curious as to where you got this information.

[raulgmanzo]

Churches theoretically prohibited from politics

 

>Would that be an across the board policy? Unions, charities

>and non-profits who wish to play would also pay? Or do you

>just want it to apply to churches?

 

Charities, churches and other 501©(3) tax-exempt non-profits are already prohibited from engaging in political activity. In the case of churches this is clearly explained on page 7 IRS publication 1828.

 

The possible loophole is that while the prohibition is applied to legislation, parties, and candidates, it seems not always applied to propositions on the ballot.

[+ Tygerscent]

Hey Sexy... well... we don;t vote thru blind ballots... there are ID things on there to make sure you are who you are and only voting once~

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[raulgmanzo]

about prop 8 voter demographics:

>When I voted I didn't have to check any box identifying my

>racial/ethno make up. I'm curious as to where you got this

>information.

 

I would guess these numbers are projections from either exit or telephone polls. I'm quite certain these are not actual numbers as racial information is not correlated with actual votes. At least not in any of the polling places in which I've worked, monitored or voted. Collecting such information might compromise ones constitutional right to a secret ballot.

[+ Tygerscent]

Well... not exactly but they are link to census reports...

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[Guest PWIT]

>I would guess these numbers are projections from either exit

>or telephone polls.

 

The numbers are from exit polls.