COVID precautions

[Pstome]

Today, I saw Fauci say there’s no overwhelming evidence of this aerosol spread. However, he said it does seem to be possible. So judge the risk based upon all the evidence you can find.

[big dale]

There's some really bad science, incorrect data, and terrible advice in this thread. It's really shocking.

[kenomora]

It is very important to remember that when it comes to a disease as transmissible as COVID-19, the choice you make is not really a "personal" choice. When you decide to take a risk (regardless of your own assessment), you also automatically make a decision for people around you and the public to take that risk with you. The mask on your face protects others from getting in contact with large droplets that come out of your nose and mouth, and does little to protect you from getting infected by others. And although more evidence is needed, it is possible that the disease could also be transmitted vial aerosols. If that was the case, being in a room with an infected person (who could be asymptomatic) for an extended period of time, regardless of the use of masks, would be pretty risky. Even if you wore an N95, most people who have not been trained to use it and fit tested with the right mask would most likely don/doff it incorrectly, which could result in decreased protection and increased likelihood of contaminating themselves while taking off the mask. One should also remember that it is highly unlikely that a provider would be able to "sterilize" or "decontaminate" their facilities unless they operate in an environment similar to an OR or procedure suites in a hospital and have access to medical grade sterilization equipment and antiseptics. It is not advisable to include such claims from a provider in your risk assessment since they most likely will not be able to achieve the level of sanitization needed to mitigate the risk. The bottom line is that according to what we know now about the disease, there is not much you can do in a non-healthcare setting to prevent transmission if you're in a room with an infected person and having close contact with them for an extended period of time. Avoiding such close contact would be the best thing to do at this moment. Personally, I do not wish take a risk and automatically put others around me at risk so despite my need for some TLC I choose not to venture out and get a massage at this time.

[+ db66]

The bottom line is that according to what we know now about the disease, there is not much you can do in a non-healthcare setting to prevent transmission if you're in a room with an infected person and having close contact with them for an extended period of time. Avoiding such close contact would be the best thing to do at this moment.

 

Well stated. For me, I accepted the risk, and while I didn't get sick, I certainly wouldn't take that result as evidence that I would get the same result again.

[big dale]

The big piece many seem to be missing is that the window for incubation is up to 14 days, and even people not showing symptoms can spread infection, so even though your provider may feel fine, and only had clients who feel fine, even taking temperature checks, etc. you can still unknowingly spread and contract the virus, which is (as a subtle reminder) DEADLY. Is that massage really worth it? Endangering your own life is one thing, becoming a spreader who endangers others is another.

[Guest CA562DUDE]

My Massage Guy sent out an email:

 

 

COVID PRECAUTIONS

- U.V. Light System in massage room that kills Virus / Bacteria ..

- Head Cradle instead of using 1 cover now uses 3 covers..

- Prior to appts arrival use a steam cleaner with disinfectant on Table / Sheets / Doors etc...

- Mask are provided if required / needed...

 

Thank you

 

Landon

http://massagemale4male.com/

[Redwine56]

My Massage Guy sent out an email:

 

 

COVID PRECAUTIONS

- U.V. Light System in massage room that kills Virus / Bacteria ..

- Head Cradle instead of using 1 cover now uses 3 covers..

- Prior to appts arrival use a steam cleaner with disinfectant on Table / Sheets / Doors etc...

- Mask are provided if required / needed...

 

Thank you

 

Landon

http://massagemale4male.com/

I do like this. Where is he located? I don't see a state indicated.

[Guest CA562DUDE]

I do like this. Where is he located? I don't see a state indicated.

Long Beach, Ca

[MikeBiDude]

I do like this. Where is he located? I don't see a state indicated.

@CA562DUDE is quite the promoter of “my massage guy” here and on many other threads. I wonder who he sees when he looks in the mirror? ??

[Redwine56]

Long Beach, Ca

Too bad . . I'm on the east coast.

[chirob]

Just checked rentmasseur for Chicago and 14 of the 24 masseurs on page 1 are listed as 'AVAILABLE NOW' (none for the other two pages)

[Redwine56]

Just checked rentmasseur for Chicago and 14 of the 24 masseurs on page 1 are listed as 'AVAILABLE NOW' (none for the other two pages)

Business must be slow as guys are still thinking about taking the plunge. I've called a few spas just to see what they would have to say about changes in procedures. They all told me that masks are required for both masseur and client except when face down in cradle. Sanitizing between client visits and some even recommend a shower before getting on the massage table. I suggest a mutual shower between masseur and client to be sure both are squeaky clean.

[CatDaddy]

Maybe a trusted "go to" provider first, and a spa once once the shot arrives. I feel bad for these masseurs. No money sucks.

[Redwine56]

Maybe a trusted "go to" provider first, and a spa once once the shot arrives. I feel bad for these masseurs. No money sucks.

Yes, good advice CatDaddy. And that's exactly what I've done. I went to one of my private regulars 2 weeks ago in his clean apartment. We both wore masks. He had the air conditioner on as well as a small fan blowing air around. He was sitting out the pandemic and I convinced him to let me be his breakout client and he did. I know that he was always clean, even uses zip off covers for the head cradle which he changes each time. He asked that I not talk while he was massaging me. A bit much but I respected his wishes and it worked out fine. I'd do it again but cautiously.

[big dale]

I suggest a mutual shower between masseur and client to be sure both are squeaky clean.

Which is a super terrible idea in the age of COVID, but you do you, booboo.

[jeezifonly]

if you live in a community that can offer accurate testing, both clients and providers can be armed with current info on their own status which will hopefully simplify the negotiation process. Those of us who remember the days of a crucial moment interrupted by”oh shit I don’t have a condom, do you?” are now old enough that we don’t even go to Trader Joe’s without some planning. Do your research and stay as safe as you can.

[kenomora]

Again, I'd like to remind everyone that there is absolutely no way a provider can sanitize their facilities enough to prevent transmission. There is no way every single surface could be covered with 10% bleach or other antiseptics for at least 10 minutes of contact time. I would also imagine setting up a sterile environment to be exceedingly challenging if they are not operating in a healthcare setting. There is also growing evidence that the disease could be transmitted through aerosols. If this is the case, none of those practices would do any good. If you're in a room with a provider who is asymptomatic or presymptomatic, or if one of the previous clients is asymptomatic or presymptomatic, your encounter is now categorized as high risk. I just want everyone to stop using "he cleans his place between clients" as a justification for getting a massage.

[musclvr]

I read through this thread and feel like screaming. There is so much misinformation and misunderstanding in some of the postings. Listen to @big dale and @kenomora. I could write a lengthy post (and have in another thread similar to this one) but they have already said what needs to be said in this one. I completely empathize with wanting the release (no pun intended) of a good massage, whatever "good" means for someone. Just know that if you get one, there is no way to drive risk of transmission to zero. So then, what is your acceptable risk for contracting a potentially life-threatening, long-term debilitating disease? At this point and probably not until late 2021, if then, SARS-CoV-2 isn't some disease that can be prevented or cured with a shot or controlled with antivirals, like today's STDs. So, if you are willing to bear a risk and do get a massage, wear the damned mask every time you step foot outside your home (you should be doing this anyway), don't eat or drink around others, inside or outside, and stf away from anyone over 60 for at least two weeks afterward. Period.

 

Argh.

[+ Yellowrod]

Does "covid negative" in an ad really mean anything in this age of vaccinations? It's amazing how many masseurs still have that on their ads, after so much has been said about how unreliable tests can be.