Hoganxxx is back

[curiousheartguy]

Well, the trip wasn't a total waste. I got to spend a pleasant weekend in Dallas and discovered a very nice hotel in downtown. I did manage to find other guys who were fun and accommodating. I consider it a lesson learned (one of many).

[harlow]

Well, the trip wasn't a total waste. I got to spend a pleasant weekend in Dallas and discovered a very nice hotel in downtown. I did manage to find other guys who were fun and accommodating. I consider it a lesson learned (one of many).

Thats the right attitude to have. Its not your fault he's a flake

[Jeffster]

The guy’s a fake. I had the same experience as is widely described here.

[harlow]

The guy’s a fake. I had the same experience as is widely described here.

Damn shame. Why would you advertise in this business if you’re just gonna waste people’s time

[Jeffster]

Damn shame. Why would you advertise in this business if you’re just gonna waste people’s time

 

Exactly. Makes no sense at all.

[MikeBiDude]

The guy’s a fake. I had the same experience as is widely described here.

Damn shame. Why would you advertise in this business if you’re just gonna waste people’s time

Exactly. Makes no sense at all.

Because those of us lucky enough to be participants in these forum are an educated minority in the pool of clients. These “fakes” get business from uninformed, inexperienced, novice, or first time clients.

 

From these forum we not only get some good intel on providers, we gain confidence and experience as clients and perhaps the ability to tell a fake “no thanks” when they arrive. Many, many just go ahead with the appointment when a fake shows up.

 

The fakes count on these inexperienced clients, it basically boils down to another internet scam based on numbers...sucker enough and some will hit.

[harlow]

Because those of us lucky enough to be participants in these forum are an educated minority in the pool of clients. These “fakes” get business from uninformed, inexperienced, novice, or first time clients.

 

From these forum we not only get some good intel on providers, we gain confidence and experience as clients and perhaps the ability to tell a fake “no thanks” when they arrive. Many, many just go ahead with the appointment.

 

The fakes count on these inexperienced clients, it basically boils down to another internet scam based on numbers...sucker enough and some will hit.

Excellent point!

[+ jessmapex]

Because those of us lucky enough to be participants in these forum are an educated minority in the pool of clients. These “fakes” get business from uninformed, inexperienced, novice, or first time clients.

 

From these forum we not only get some good intel on providers, we gain confidence and experience as clients and perhaps the ability to tell a fake “no thanks” when they arrive. Many, many just go ahead with the appointment when a fake shows up.

 

The fakes count on these inexperienced clients, it basically boils down to another internet scam based on numbers...sucker enough and some will hit.

Should we also question the intent of @DallasClient who originally promoted him here?

Edited June 9, 2020 by jessmapex

[Jeffster]

Should we also question the intent if @DallasClient who originally promoted him here?

 

Yup.

[harlow]

Should we also question the intent of @DallasClient who originally promoted him here?

I wouldn’t say that necessarily. @DallasClient originally posted about him pretty much a year ago. He was just getting started back then and was probably pretty good. Hell even AndrewK gave him a stamp of approval saying he was young and just getting started. But a year later I think we’re all learning that he’s just not cut out for this. Honestly he should just stop advertising

[former lurker]

Should we also question the intent of @DallasClient who originally promoted him here?

Yup.

I wouldn’t say that necessarily. @DallasClient originally posted about him pretty much a year ago. He was just getting started back then and was probably pretty good. Hell even AndrewK gave him a stamp of approval saying he was young and just getting started. But a year later I think we’re all learning that he’s just not cut out for this. Honestly he should just stop advertising

 

I agree with Harlow. Nothing about @DallasClient's post or history of posts suggests any reason to suspect him of doing anything other than relating a positive experience/impression. Often, a positive post about a lesser known escort gets labelled as being from the escort himself. Here, that's doubtful both because of @DallasClient's posting history and because, by all accounts, Hogan's biggest fault seems to be a lack of commitment/interest in escorting. It's the opposite of the guy who is intent on meeting up and with fabricate his reviews, use phony pictures, etc.

 

Harlow's comments have been thoughtful, and have recognized the nuances in these human interactions. I appreciate that approach a great deal. Wrt to Hogan, you end up in the same place (not investing time or money in an attempt to hire him) whether you see him as flakey or fakey. But drawing absolute lines isn't necessary to get there. The best evidence, based on what's been said by those who've actually interacted with him, is he's more flakey than he is fakey.

[Jeffster]

My experiences with HoganXXX were around the same time as DallasClient posted his endorsement. And there were others of us who experienced HoganXXXs antics back then too. I don’t believe HoganXXX really exists.

[former lurker]

My experiences with HoganXXX were around the same time as DallasClient posted his endorsement. And there were others of us who experienced HoganXXXs antics back then too. I don’t believe HoganXXX really exists.

 

I suppose anything is possible, but it's an odd practice to pay for an add, engage in texting, etc, and all for nothing at all. It makes more sense to think he's flighty, and advertises for encounters when they are convenient to him. In that scenario, he may generate enough actual meetings to make a little side money and cover the ad costs, but still be an infrequent and unpredictable hire -- someone who flirts with escorting, but doesn't treat it as a serious endeavor.

 

Several credible posters have attested to Hogan's existence. There's the OP who says he knows him and has met him a number of times, there's FFDave who spoke with him at least once and in substance, and there's AndrewK. There are other explanations for Hogan's "antics" that don't reduce themselves to him not existing at all. Moreover, to conclude he doesn't exist requires readers on the forum to discredit these other contributors. You got a run around. Don't read more into it than is warranted.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Should we also question the intent of @DallasClient who originally promoted him here?

 

No. This is classic Don't shoot the messenger

 

Even a broken clock is right twice a day: This escort could be perfectly capable of a decent performance or, perhaps, it was everything being in perfect alignment for the meet to happen as it did.

 

Either way, you're clearly taking a risk here. This and other threads have been more than enough warning.

[marylander1940]

While it doesn't excuse him, I get the feeling escorting is more a side thing for him. Look at the way he's taken his ad on and off since he 1st started. I don't think I ever remember you doing that, Benjamin. He seems to be a good guy if you can get him. But I don't think I'd ever try planning something weeks in advance with him.

 

Gman

 

Have you ever NOT showed up to work without at least saying you got sick?

 

I do get @harlow post about the first red flag, the fact that the main reason for his visit has hanging out with friends and therefore he didn't have a hotel room or an Airbnb to host.

Edited June 9, 2020 by marylander1940

[harlow]

I suppose anything is possible, but it's an odd practice to pay for an add, engage in texting, etc, and all for nothing at all. It makes more sense to think he's flighty, and advertises for encounters when they are convenient to him. In that scenario, he may generate enough actual meetings to make a little side money and cover the ad costs, but still be an infrequent and unpredictable hire -- someone who flirts with escorting, but doesn't treat it as a serious endeavor.

 

Several credible posters have attested to Hogan's existence. There's the OP who says he knows him and has met him a number of times, there's FFDave who spoke with him at least once and in substance, and there's AndrewK. There are other explanations for Hogan's "antics" that don't reduce themselves to him not existing at all. Moreover, to conclude he doesn't exist requires readers on the forum to discredit these other contributors. You got a run around. Don't read more into it than is warranted.

I think this sums it up perfectly. We can probably conclude that he does this to get enough change to pay a bill here and there or books for school or even to pay his part on a group vacation. We can also just close the book on him and hope others will read this thread to get the 411 on him.

[marylander1940]

I think this sums it up perfectly. We can probably conclude that he does this to get enough change to pay a bill here and there or books for school or even to pay his part on a group vacation. We can also just close the book on him and hope others will read this thread to get the 411 on him.

 

Agree!

 

He certainly has the looks (if those are his pics) to be very successful escort or get a high profile sugar daddy but does he want to do it?

[DallasClient]

Hey, I have not seen Hogan in probably a year. I can certainly vouch he exists. I have no idea what has transpired with him in that time. He was great each time I saw him. I know there was a time he was only wanting to do overnight visits. I'm sorry if anyone has had a bad time with him or if he's become flakey. I haven't recommended him in quite a while. I think a few people have contacted me privately for my thoughts on him and I have said I always had a great time but others have not so they pretty much have to decide how they want to proceed.

 

We aren't talking about products here, these are people. People do change, some for the better and some for the worse. We often have no insight into their personal and private lives. If he's going through anything, I hope he gets over it. He was always a genuinely nice guy.

[DallasClient]

Also, just to be fully transparent, I discovered Hogan on Grindr. After several months with him coming over occasionally and knowing he was having a hard time financially, I showed him Rent Men and helped him get online. I used my experience to give him advice but I only have a client's perspective. So, I was the one who asked AndrewK if he'd like to explain anything or answer any questions he might have.

 

I never got anything from Hogan or even any discounts though I would never ask either.

[+ azdr0710]

just cross-referencing this other thread on Hogan/Grant in The Spa subforum in case anybody has something to add.....

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/grant-in-dallas.159492/

[imma]

I wouldn’t say that necessarily. @DallasClient Hell even AndrewK gave him a stamp of approval saying he was young and just getting started.

 

I'm a noob here. Who is AndrewK and why is that his approval that big a deal?

[+ Reisr30]

I'm a noob here. Who is AndrewK and why is that his approval that big a deal?

He was a popular escort in Texas who retired. This was the only thread I could find

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/i-caught-up-with-andrewk.160093/

[down_to_business]

I'm a noob here. Who is AndrewK and why is that his approval that big a deal?

He was a popular escort in Texas who retired. This was the only thread I could find

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/i-caught-up-with-andrewk.160093/

 

For the record, Andrew K cancelled on me too... however in his defense he effectively communicated with me including giving me a valid reason. Nothing about my experience with him left a negative impression. That does not appear to apply to Hogan/Grant.

[imma]

For the record, Andrew K cancelled on me too... however in his defense he effectively communicated with me including giving me a valid reason. That does not appear to apply to Hogan/Grant.

I'm curious... How far in advance did you book Hogan/Grant? Then, when did he cancel on you? (e.g., an hour before?)

[down_to_business]

I'm curious... How far in advance did you book Hogan/Grant? Then, when did he cancel on you? (e.g., an hour before?)

 

I didn't really get that far. My experience was when setting an appointment a few days in advance with exact date and time his reply was only something along the lines of "yes, that should work for me". I couldn't get anything more definite out of him.