What do you think of this as a business practice?

[+ overeasy]

Sorry, JJ...may be a little old fashioned in today's world, but I still believe a commitment is a commitment and honor stands for something. The guy was a jerk.

[+ IronMaus]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

We can't list our rates anymore and sometimes you see an older review or rate of an escort so the best possible first inquiry includes asking about rates. You handled this well and I believe the escort was very rude for canceling on you at all - especially rude for telling you its because someone offered him more money. This isn't a "best offer" business for me. If someone booked me for a 1 hour appointment then someone wants to book an overnight during that same time period, I will go with the hour appointment unless I feel comfortable asking the 1 hour client if they could reschedule.

[coriolis888]

 

If someone booked me for a 1 hour appointment then someone wants to book an overnight during that same time period, I will go with the hour appointment unless I feel comfortable asking the 1 hour client if they could reschedule.

 

 

Then you reschedule and they both flake.

 

I know an escort I see fairly often. More than half of his appointments get canceled by clients or the client disappears at the time of the appointment. The escort is handsome and charming. It is nothing the escort did to cause the cancellations.

 

Sad, but it goes with the territory.

[+ OliverSaks]

No, no, no, no... I’m far from a saint but I’m not so short sighted to think that this would be a good idea on the companion’s part

 

For anyone who is in this for the long term, and who cares about his reputation and repeat business, you keep the commitment and maybe try to move the other potential appointment to another time/date. Even if you offered the +100 guy to meet later at the normal rate, by taking both clients you’re ending up way ahead and possibly adding multiple people to your regular roster of clients, too.

 

Flaking is just bad for business and will not justify the extra money right now...

 

I agree with @MrMattBig that the +100 guy was probably not real and this lad was just being petty/spiteful, though, based on experience.

 

Any of you Saints on your soap boxes would have done exactly the same thing the escort did.... mo money, mo money, so stop frontin !

[Mocha]

Then you reschedule and they both flake.

 

I know an escort I see fairly often. More than half of his appointments get canceled by clients or the client disappears at the time of the appointment. The escort is handsome and charming. It is nothing the escort did to cause the cancellations.

 

Sad, but it goes with the territory.

 

But it’s also an indication the escort isn’t putting his foot down enough. If someone disappears at the time of the appointment, it’s either cancellation fee or..get written up. Just like when you don’t show up for school/work. Because guaranteed, they’re going to do it again to him or someone else. As long as people allow the shit to continue, it’s going to go with the territory.

 

I had one guy (then again who knows, watching catfish on MTV it could even be a woman sometimes) who stood me up couple months ago, only to come back around last weekend and ask if I was in the area again. Like damn, these people don’t learn. And even though he was using a “VOIP” number, I still had it saved. And of course, someone else verified he did that same to them.

[instudiocity]

Who else thinks the OP really did want to haggle? I don’t believe the “I don’t want to haggle” line as you immediately negotiated and then are upset when he dumped you at your low ball price. Just sayin’

 

If you want first class service don’t fly Spirit.

Bad analogy, Spirit's First Class is excellent along with being a CHEAP uncharge for cattle.

[instudiocity]

Not an escort....

…I'm going to say that when you included "That is beyond my budget." in your reply, while we can assume good faith and that it is true, saying this to him is unnecessary editorialization. I would say your not meeting is sufficient negative feedback. Your reasons for not meeting don't matter to anyone but you. By explicitly mentioning it, you invited a followup question, and when you responded to that with a lower number and then agreeing to a meeting when he accepted your lower number, you were haggling, while literally saying you weren't trying to haggle. I'm not meaning to be harsh here, but it seems like you might not be aware how you came across in this convo. He decided to mess with you in a clumsy fashion, the "rate + $100" kicker was his unnecessary editorialization on your number. Just my thoughts, nothing personal.

 

BTW, I'm thinking Rafa is licking his chops at the Open, with Joker and FedEx out...

Agreed, with the exception of the escort's change of plans as simply messing with the client. I submit that when you've bargained a call, and a higher offer intervenes, the escort is free to accept the greater compensation if he so decides. No harm, no foul.

[instudiocity]

No, no, no, no... I’m far from a saint but I’m not so short sighted to think that this would be a good idea on the companion’s part

I wonder just how many escorts have a sliding scale of rates depending on their activity certain times of the day/week. Seems have a Tuesday night special might not be a bad idea?

[Mocha]

No, no, no, no... I’m far from a saint but I’m not so short sighted to think that this would be a good idea on the companion’s part

 

For anyone who is in this for the long term, and who cares about his reputation and repeat business, you keep the commitment and maybe try to move the other potential appointment to another time/date. Even if you offered the +100 guy to meet later at the normal rate, by taking both clients you’re ending up way ahead and possibly adding multiple people to your regular roster of clients, too.

 

Flaking is just bad for business and will not justify the extra money right now...

 

I agree with @MrMattBig that the +100 guy was probably not real and this lad was just being petty/spiteful, though, based on experience.

 

I agree, and over the past couple of weeks...I’ve really had to go out of my way to make up some appointments I had to cancel with clients, and it ended up working out.

 

However, if we set aside the fact the escort wasn’t real, and assume this was someone else...I’m just still wondering why the OP didn’t just initially offer what his budget is when the escort told him his rate? Why did he wait for the escort to counter offer, and then add “but not trying to haggle”.

 

See...when people do that, I feel like that opens the door to ping pong ? Now you’re trying to see who’s going to give in first, is he going to give in to my price, or am I going to offer a little bit more.

 

I think if someone is really interested in seeing someone, the conversation shouldn’t dead at price. That conversation was literally over in 2 exchanges...and tenderloin deaded the conversation before it even started, “that’s too much, but thanks anyway”. That’s a slap in the face. And I’ve had it before. And don’t be fooled into thinking $400 is too much. Sometimes people say $250 is too much, $150 is too much, anything more than FREE is too much for some. So forget about the amount.

 

That’s the problem I have with this situation. I don’t feel the escort should be looked down on, considering the initial approach was a bit condescending to begin with.

[coriolis888]

 

But it’s also an indication the escort isn’t putting his foot down enough. If someone disappears at the time of the appointment, it’s either cancellation fee or..get written up. Just like when you don’t show up for school/work. Because guaranteed, they’re going to do it again to him or someone else. As long as people allow the shit to continue, it’s going to go with the territory.

 

 

And, please tell me how the escort can "put his foot down" and collect a cancellation fee from someone who is anonymous and uses a fake name and phone number to book an appointment at the escort's hotel?

 

"Written up" - with no name and no details? What is that going to accomplish? Who is going to read reviews about clients who give no details about themselves?

 

I feel bad for the escort I know but he realizes the risks he takes when he books appointments with people he does not know.

 

That is why is it a good idea to have "regulars" who don't flake. It is good for both parties -

Edited September 6, 2019 by coriolis888

[+ José Soplanucas]

C'mon, @tenderloin , you did haggle. Otherwise, why would you share what you are willing to pay after he told you his price? There is nothing wrong with haggling, in my opinion. You just have to do it well.

 

I know that most of you are anti haggling. But to me it is not a red flag per se. It depends on the context. In this particular situation, if tenderloin's transcript is accurate, the red flag comes with the urgency to meet.

[tenderloin]

C'mon, @tenderloin , you did haggle. Otherwise, why would you share what you are willing to pay after he told you his price? There is nothing wrong with haggling, in my opinion. You just have to do it well.

 

I know that most of you are anti haggling. But to me it is not a red flag per se. It depends on the context. In this particular situation, if tenderloin's transcript is accurate, the red flag comes with the urgency to meet.

 

Seriously, $%&* you. I did not haggle. I responded to his question -- duh. He asked me my budget and I told him. You clearly don't have a goddamned clue what haggling is. I told him my budget and he said ok.

[+ oldNbusted]

One doesn't have to believe a thing for it to be true.

[+ José Soplanucas]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

 

I just wanted to document your haggling, in case you edit it.

[+ oldNbusted]

I just wanted to document your haggling, in case you edit it.

 

I'd like to see the guy join the thread, share his point of view. This is the "Ask an Escort" subforum, after all.

[tenderloin]

One doesn't have to believe a thing for it to be true.

I just wanted to document your haggling, in case you edit it.

 

Perhaps English is not your first language? I communicated, I didn't haggle. There is a difference.

 

haggle

[ˈhaɡəl]

 

VERB

 

1. dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something.
    
    
    
   

[+ José Soplanucas]

Perhaps English is not your first language? I communicated, I didn't haggle. There is a difference.

 

haggle

[ˈhaɡəl]

 

VERB

 

1. dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something.
    
    
   

 

LMAO. You are like the guys who suck dick but are not gay. Sure, the problem is my English here.

[+ oldNbusted]

I'm Spartacus!

[+ oldNbusted]

[Leyte2019]

Who else thinks the OP really did want to haggle? I don’t believe the “I don’t want to haggle” line as you immediately negotiated and then are upset when he dumped you at your low ball price. Just sayin’

 

If you want first class service don’t fly Spirit.

 

M4M Forum Reporter:

Client Smith posted his account of an exchange between himself and Escort Wiseass, detailing how the escort agreed to work for a lower rate if Mr Smith would meet him very soon. According to Smith, Mr. Wiseass deliberately led him to believe that the two gents would meet at Smith's apartment at 7pm. However, wiseass pulled a fast one, backing out of the agreement because he claimed that another client was going to pay his stated rate and more. After a few helpful posts responding to Mr. Smith's dilemma, things quickly devolved into a free for all pie fight following the member's post quoted above. Was the OP genuine in claiming he had no desire to haggle with Escort Wiseass? Was it right to question OP's premise? Several members threw full pies; some threw slices here and there; some just threw a bit of shade. Forum administrators report no serious injuries. In the end, the question of who was in the right was never resolved. The only thing we know is that a childish, smart ass escort was so offended that he tricked a client into preparing for a commitment he did not intend to honor, triggering what could have been a blood bath.

 

For M4M Forum news, I'm Carlton Cobaine.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Leyte2019

[marylander1940]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

 

I just wonder how much was the rate you're willing to pay in NYC for a twink who (guess on his profile) will BB?

 

No excuse for him to give you attitude... he never know who he's dealing with and whether he's "the last straw or not".

[marylander1940]

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?

"Clients" do this periodically...after I state my rate or availability they chime in that they have someone hotter coming immediately and for a lesser rate. What is the probability that all that lined up within 5 minutes?? It's mostly just to rub in my face that I am not getting their money...perhaps the escort was doing the same and running in your face that you were not getting to meet them.

 

Cynical I know, but the things humans are capable of...

 

Some also brag on here about 500 for 3 days in Honolulu, 200 overnight from the S.A. site, dumb straight penniless straight guy with baby-mama for 100, free sex with hot young men, etc...

 

people like to brag, most of the times is imaginary and a cheap way to get back at life just with a text.

[Leyte2019]

people like to brag, most of the times is imaginary and a cheap way to get back at life just with a text.

 

I've never gotten close to paying 500 for 3 days of someone in Honolulu or 200 for an overnight anywhere. But I can tell you there are still penniless straight guys who will unzip or more for 100. Harder to find these days, but still available.

[marylander1940]

I've never gotten close to paying 500 for 3 days of someone in Honolulu or 200 for an overnight anywhere. But I can tell you there are still penniless straight guys who will unzip or more for 100. Harder to find these days, but still available.

 

Would you like to start a thread about seducing straight men?

[marylander1940]

Perhaps English is not your first language? I communicated, I didn't haggle. There is a difference.

 

haggle

[ˈhaɡəl]

 

VERB

 

1. dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something.
    
    
   

 

Don't worry @latbear4blk does bargain and allegedly very few times paid more than 200 but he'll offer a ride to his place in exchange.