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You didn't motivation per se, but you mentioned a trainer pushing you beyond what you thought you could do. Sounds an awful lot like motivation.

 

No: my trainer PUSHES me—to do five more reps, to up the intensity on the next set, to put more weight on the bar. He doesn’t motivate me, that is, he doesn’t MAKE me WANT to do those things. I don’t need external stimulus or assistance to be in the gym x times a week, or to work hard when I’m there. He recognizes that I am already pretty intensely self-motivated, and that what I need is guidance—how many more reps is enough to grow, how much faster should I take that next circuit, how much more weight should I add—which includes that push to do more than I think I can. C’mon, man—you’re a gym rat, this has to be familiar to you!

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Physically, I can walk around with no shirt and show my abs. I also have defined shoulders and arms. I think my weakness is just diet but I'll try a personal trainer.

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No: my trainer PUSHES me—to do five more reps, to up the intensity on the next set, to put more weight on the bar. He doesn’t motivate me, that is, he doesn’t MAKE me WANT to do those things. I don’t need external stimulus or assistance to be in the gym x times a week, or to work hard when I’m there. He recognizes that I am already pretty intensely self-motivated, and that what I need is guidance—how many more reps is enough to grow, how much faster should I take that next circuit, how much more weight should I add—which includes that push to do more than I think I can. C’mon, man—you’re a gym rat, this has to be familiar to you!
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Youre not a baby. Of course he doesnt need to make you want to be there. Helping you see that you're capable of more than you thought is motivation--the advanced course.

 

I've had 2 spine surgeries. Yet I still want to do exercises like back squats and dead lifts. They scare me a little though. When I do them with my coach he can actually see from my movements that I'm scared. He always coaxes me to use another plate, do a couple more reps, and he's right there with me monitoring my form through every rep. I do it and I'm fine. That, to me, is very skilled motivation. And I'm happy to be motivated in such a skilled positive way.

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This is a semantics issue, maybe. You define “motivation” one way. My definition goes more like this: https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-stop-looking-for-motivation

 

I'm there with you. Just recently I crossed a new threshold on my quest to be a meathead when I realized that I had learned to enjoy and savor the pain. When I thought about it, I realized I could stop holding back and give it everything. I was awestruck. That's motivation.

 

In motivating me, my coach doesn't give me anything I don't have. But he reminds me that I have it. That's what your trainer does when squeezes that extra five reps out of you. he's helping you get out of the way of you doing what you wanted to do anyway.

 

I don't see how that is different from a trainer in a big-box gym helping a grandmother who is 50# overweight to find a reason to make it to her next training session. It's all people doing the best they can. Your best and my best is just different from the grandmother's.

 

 

Much of that prose in bodybuilding literature is seriously hyberbolic. I would be careful about divining truths from it.

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Awesome that you have a mood board for how you’d like to look but I also think it’s important to identify your muscle group type (ectomorph, endomorph, mesomorph) to simply ensure what you’re aspiring to is a realistic goal.

 

Please do not misunderstand this outdated work by Sheldon. Even when he created it, the somatotype concept was more about how our bodies influence our thinking. Modern research is teaching us that they are interrelated and interconnected. How we think matters and will affect many aspects of our body.

 

Going back to Sheldon's work, we aren't 100% in any of the types. They're spectrums and each and every human--except for very rare people--are a mix of ecto, endo, and meso. There are some useful aspects of his work, but the BS about people being one type or another is crap that's counterproductive for many people. It's mostly marketing to sell diets and products targeting one type or another.

 

What humans need to understand is the criticality of how we think about ourselves. Our thinking plays a huge role in how our bodies respond and react. Our central nervous system is focused on survival. It's constantly adjusting and adapting to our environment to maximize survival. @Rudynate mentioned his reduced range of motion after his surgeries. Much of that was likely his subconscious trying to keep him safe and alive. Becoming consciously aware of these somatic habits can help us undo them and retrain our brains, but we need professional help to do such work. Work like this is why sports psychology is growing so fast and why great coaches, trainers, sports massage therapists, and more can make good money and help many people.

 

 

https://barbend.com/somatotypes-ectomorph-mesomorph-endomorph/

 

https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Sheldon

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Please do not misunderstand this outdated work by Sheldon. Even when he created it, the somatotype concept was more about how our bodies influence our thinking. Modern research is teaching us that they are interrelated and interconnected. How we think matters and will affect many aspects of our body.

 

Going back to Sheldon's work, we aren't 100% in any of the types. They're spectrums and each and every human--except for very rare people--are a mix of ecto, endo, and meso. There are some useful aspects of his work, but the BS about people being one type or another is crap that's counterproductive for many people. It's mostly marketing to sell diets and products targeting one type or another.

 

What humans need to understand is the criticality of how we think about ourselves. Our thinking plays a huge role in how our bodies respond and react. Our central nervous system is focused on survival. It's constantly adjusting and adapting to our environment to maximize survival. @Rudynate mentioned his reduced range of motion after his surgeries. Much of that was likely his subconscious trying to keep him safe and alive. Becoming consciously aware of these somatic habits can help us undo them and retrain our brains, but we need professional help to do such work. Work like this is why sports psychology is growing so fast and why good coaches, trainers, sports massage therapists, and more can make good money and help many people.

 

 

https://barbend.com/somatotypes-ectomorph-mesomorph-endomorph/

 

https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Sheldon

 

Totally agree. A long period of inactivity left me with some physical issues, and as I tried to get back into training I had a lot of people—including doctors—tell me I couldn’t possibly regain functionality in one area or another. Like @Rudynate, I needed a trainer to help get me past the mental obstacles to rehabbing those old injuries, let him convince me that I COULD achieve full range of motion in my shoulder, that I COULD deadlift without breaking in half, etc.

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Totally agree. A long period of inactivity left me with some physical issues, and as I tried to get back into training I had a lot of people—including doctors—tell me I couldn’t possibly regain functionality in one area or another. Like @Rudynate, I needed a trainer to help get me past the mental obstacles to rehabbing those old injuries, let him convince me that I COULD achieve full range of motion in my shoulder, that I COULD deadlift without breaking in half, etc.

 

 

I was doing those things on my own. The first time I did back squats after my last surgery, I started with a bar, no plates, and did a set of ten, scared shitless. My back muscles were so de-conditioned that the soreness from that effort lasted for days. I kept at it, adding resistance 5-10# at a time. Before long, I was doing sveral sets at 180#.

 

The difference is, with James's (my coach) help, I'm excelling at all this. The last time we did dead lifts, he said my form was perfect. He made a video of my deadlift and posted it to his Instagram page. That was a real gold star.

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Totally agree. A long period of inactivity left me with some physical issues, and as I tried to get back into training I had a lot of people—including doctors—tell me I couldn’t possibly regain functionality in one area or another. Like @Rudynate, I needed a trainer to help get me past the mental obstacles to rehabbing those old injuries, let him convince me that I COULD achieve full range of motion in my shoulder, that I COULD deadlift without breaking in half, etc.

 

That "lot of people" were probably basing their advice on outdated information or perahps they were intentionally being conservative to protect you. We used to believe it was not possible to regain function once it was lost. While that remains true in catastrophic injury cases and for the reduction that naturally occurs with age, if the structures are generally sound, the bulk of the loss is likely psychosomatic and can be unwound and rebuilt into greater function. Our nervous system is very conservative. It obsesses about survival and does whatever it must do to fulfill that goal. Reeducating it takes time, patience, and expertise. People are strongly advised not to do this kind of work alone as they can and do injure themselves. It requires professional assistance. Some excellent personal trainers can do this work, but it's largely the domain of sports psychologists, top sports massage therapists, and some specialized physical therapists. This knowledge is slowly spreading and will transform a great deal of what's common knowledge about our bodies in the coming decades. Many pro athletes and olympians already benefit from this work. One day, all of us will too.

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That "lot of people" were probably basing their advice on outdated information or perahps they were intentionally being conservative to protect you. We used to believe it was not possible to regain function once it was lost. While that remains true in catastrophic injury cases and for the reduction that naturally occurs with age, if the structures are generally sound, the bulk of the loss is likely psychosomatic and can be unwound and rebuilt into greater function. Our nervous system is very conservative. It obsesses about survival and does whatever it must do to fulfill that goal. Reeducating it takes time, patience, and expertise. People are strongly advised not to do this kind of work alone as they can and do injure themselves. It requires professional assistance. Some excellent personal trainers can do this work, but it's largely the domain of sports psychologists, top sports massage therapists, and some specialized physical therapists. This knowledge is slowly spreading and will transform a great deal of what's common knowledge about our bodies in the coming decades. Many pro athletes and olympians already benefit from this work. One day, all of us will too.

 

My trainer has a background in physical rehab, but I was 55 when we started, and it’s taken him (and me) the better part of five years to get it all back. It’s by far the hardest thing I’ve ever done physically, but I continue to make gains in strength, size and flexibility, so I don’t see any reason to stop now!

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My trainer has a background in physical rehab, but I was 55 when we started, and it’s taken him (and me) the better part of five years to get it all back. It’s by far the hardest thing I’ve ever done physically, but I continue to make gains in strength, size and flexibility, so I don’t see any reason to stop now!

 

I'm glad things are going well for you @myophile.

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My only concern is that you’re aspiring to have an “escort physique” which is often times not a natural one.

 

If you are serious about elevating your aesthetic, I’d highly recommend hiring a certified fitness professional.

 

I can't agree more with this post. Nicely said.

 

A fair amount of escorts use steroids. Bottom-line: The gains are minimal and the side effects suck. Don't do it. More times than none, human nature is to think 'more is better' and so many guys end up ruining their bodies (and health) with grotesque mis-proportion.

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I can't agree more with this post. Nicely said.

 

A fair amount of escorts use steroids. Bottom-line: The gains are minimal and the side effects suck. Don't do it. More times than none, human nature is to think 'more is better' and so many guys end up ruining their bodies (and health) with grotesque mis-proportion.

 

 

THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. I am making small gainz and I am proud of them. I will look into a personal trainer. This is all about me making a lifestyle change/improvement which will make me feel more physically enticing in my mind. I realize now that a lot of the escorts I follow actually look smaller in person. Anyway, the discussion on this board is useful!

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Why does the trainer have to be an escort,

Good question. They don't have to be. I just wanted one who did both so if I told them I want an "escort physique", they'd be able to tell me what that means in the market. Honestly, don7t care who does it as long as they are good at it.

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Good question. They don't have to be. I just wanted one who did both so if I told them I want an "escort physique", they'd be able to tell me what that means in the market. Honestly, don7t care who does it as long as they are good at it.

 

Lol I think “Hooker body” is universal and self explanatory. No one needs “escort proportions” nor a body so meticulously crafted unless you’re competing or doing sex work, as there is no health benefit to being so aesthetically pristine.

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Lol I think “Hooker body” is universal and self explanatory. No one needs “escort proportions” unless you’re competing or doing sex work, as there is no health benefit to being that swole.

 

 

But why does good health have to be your only priority? What's wrong with wanting to get swole just for the sake of getting swole?

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But why does good health have to be your only priority? What's wrong with wanting to get swole just for the sake of getting swole?

 

This was per [uSER=13124]@KongKingBing[/uSER] sentiment that he wanted an escort trainer which I was implying wasn’t necessary as most trainers can grasp the concept of “hooker body.” Trust, I wholeheartedly support being swole for the sake of being swole, hello. Lol.

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But why does good health have to be your only priority? What's wrong with wanting to get swole just for the sake of getting swole?

 

Too many guys, gay and straight, don't anchor progress in stable, healthy muscle mentality. That's how people end up with lifelong self-image issues, steroid abuse and other things that tend to haunt you.

 

Good overall health, flexibility and smart aging is the cornerstone of a solid gym routine.

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