Refund Or No Refund?

[big dale]

Not odd at all. Please. He just wanted some feedback.

Had he started by providing all the additional context that might be the case, but he held it back until the thread wasn't really going gangbusters in his direction, then he layers in the additional details to make the client look worse and worse and himself look better and better. It's manipulative and apparently most of you have fallen for it. What makes you think he won't do the exact same thing to you if you are his client?

 

for the first time in 10 years i had a client complain from their skin breaking out from my lotion. i have used the same lotion for 5 years. never saw the client prior to this, but i gave them a good massage and then a half hour later they texted me asking the brand of lotion. its plant based massage lotion with lavender. pic included. he said he was allergic to lavender ...and wants a refund....SHOULD I GIVE HIM A REFUND or NOT ??

 

thanks...thats what i was thinking. he said he broke out in hives all over and made a huge fuss over it yet he was inked up almost everywhere on his body so i am wondering why someone like that would be such a "cupcake" ? i think he just wanted me to fuck him and got upset when i rejected the idea.

 

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60 min... the irony is this guy has hit me up on scruff and grindr many many times to "hookup" and i have always declined, so then he scheduled a massage and i didnt realize who it was until i got there. NOW i realize he was just being a prissy little rejected bitch. these fools are too much sometimes

[FurryDude]

Had he started by providing all the additional context that might be the case, but he held it back until the thread wasn't really going gangbusters in his direction, then he layers in the additional details to make the client look worse and worse and himself look better and better. It's manipulative and apparently most of you have fallen for it. What makes you think he won't do the exact same thing to you if you are his client?

 

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I didn't take that from what he said at all. If anything, not disclosing the guy's past behavior kept the discussion focused on his question in his original post, which was whether he should give the guy a refund in those circumstances. He didn't set out to show the guy in a bad light, in my reading.

 

Will he do the exact same thing to me if I am his client? I don't know: am I stalking him first in this scenario? I think anyone has a right to get a bit irked about creepy behavior. Thankfully, it wasn't dangerous creepy (lavender rash aside, of course).

 

Finally, did he disclose anything about the client at all that would make him identifiable? All we know is that he's on Grindr, has tats, and wants to get fucked. That doesn't narrow things down much...

Edited March 29, 2019 by FurryDude

[Monarchy79]

Had he started by providing all the additional context that might be the case, but he held it back until the thread wasn't really going gangbusters in his direction, then he layers in the additional details to make the client look worse and worse and himself look better and better. It's manipulative and apparently most of you have fallen for it. What makes you think he won't do the exact same thing to you if you are his client?

 

 

 

 

 

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I really feel like the additional information Dale added to the scenario brough proper context to the situation. And it actually showed how manipulative the client was trying to be.

[Guest InthePines]

“Because this is a place to dicuss interesting topics on massage.” This is interesting? No comment.

 

“Because this is a good and a safe place to get feedback.” Yeah, it requires an internet connection and a search engine to find it. Good thing not too many people have those.

 

While it's unquestionable this was a nightmare of a client, I personally would never hire a masseur who aired his professional beefs regarding a client in a forum, for discretion is the minimum requirement of the job.

[CarolinaRen]

As was pointed out in an earlier response, lavender is a distinctive scent. If the client truly was allergic, he should have recognized it and had the masseur wipe it off right away.

[Mr. Jones]

I was gonna say it's not much fun to watch strangers slap each other for no good reason, but I guess it is, because here I am reading this thread again. Hah

[big dale]

“I personally would never hire a masseur who aired his professional beefs regarding a client in a forum, for discretion is the minimum requirement of the job.

 

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[Typical]

Social media must end. Like opioids, we will not stop until it is taken away.

 

But, Stop!

 

Stop. Or It will kill us all.

 

Stop.

 

We yell at strangers for no particular reason. Stop it.

 

Stop.

 

Please shut this thing down as a human service.

[maninsoma]

 

I didn't take that from what he said at all. If anything, not disclosing the guy's past behavior kept the discussion focused on his question in his original post, which was whether he should give the guy a refund in those circumstances. He didn't set out to show the guy in a bad light, in my reading.

 

Will he do the exact same thing to me if I am his client? I don't know: am I stalking him first in this scenario? I think anyone has a right to get a bit irked about creepy behavior. Thankfully, it wasn't dangerous creepy (lavender rash aside, of course).

 

Finally, did he disclose anything about the client at all that would make him identifiable? All we know is that he's on Grindr has tats, and wants to get fucked. That doesn't narrow things down much...

 

To your last point, I don't see why anyone's panties are getting in a bunch. So little was divulged about this client that there is no way anyone other than the client and masseur would be able to read this thread and identify who it's about. There isn't anything remotely identifying posted here, and this certainly isn't the first time an escort or masseur asked for public feedback about how to handle a client situation.

[northend_stv]

The initial topic here is not a big deal, and the extreme negative responses are one thing: trolling.

[+ DALE CRUZE]

Not odd at all. Please. He just wanted some feedback.

 

I didn't take that from what he said at all. If anything, not disclosing the guy's past behavior kept the discussion focused on his question in his original post, which was whether he should give the guy a refund in those circumstances. He didn't set out to show the guy in a bad light, in my reading.

 

Will he do the exact same thing to me if I am his client? I don't know: am I stalking him first in this scenario? I think anyone has a right to get a bit irked about creepy behavior. Thankfully, it wasn't dangerous creepy (lavender rash aside, of course).

 

Finally, did he disclose anything about the client at all that would make him identifiable? All we know is that he's on Grindr, has tats, and wants to get fucked. That doesn't narrow things down much...

 

thanks furry. u are right in your assessment. LOOK , i do my thing. I'm a hard worker, i don't screw guys over, i give them good massages, not asking a HUGE rate . very competitive here. I don't have time to play manipulative games. LOL ...i do about 3-4 massages a day. Try it sometime and see if u feel manipulative at the end of the day. Anyone who knows me and has MET me in person knows that my style is not one of such petty non-sense. YES i held back the OTHER creepy aspect of the story EXACTLY for the reason that you mentioned. I wanted the REFUND issue to stand on It's OWN merit. Honestly i could go further and tell you that the guy is from atlanta and YOU DON"T wanna get me started on ATLANTA folks. that's a whole other topic. I DON"T have such a habit of "putting clients down" to make mysefl look better . give me a break. lmao I'm busy working. who has that kind of time. And for the most part i have GREAT clients everywhere. I'm really very lucky with that. BUT i also am not a pushover either. When stupid shyt happens , i'm gonna call it like i see it. AS i look back on the event, i realize that there was an instinctive reason why i was repelled by that individual all along. that kind of person just does NOT ATTRACT me. i am attracted to genuine easy going non-drama types. but hey , thats just me. some may like it & some may not. what can ya do ? can't please everyone. thanks for ALL of the comments tho...the good and the bad. its all very useful and appreciated. thats why i love this forum. i don't dump here often bcuz i really don't encounter much negative stuff to dump...fortunately. I have many GREAT stories tho. i wished i could share them but again...i am usually working til late. wait for the book after i retire !!!!! :~) Peace , namaste and have a great day !!!

[+ DALE CRUZE]

Because this is a good and a safe place to get feedback.

as to the question of why i brought this to forum, well because i was CONFLICTED at the time . And i guess i was wrong for asking the question. excuse me. so WHAT ARE we supposed to talk about here? let me know so i can figure out once and for all if this is a site that i want to continue to hang out on. MANY folks i see here everyday chatting about everything under the sun. BUT asking a question about refunds is off ...IS THAT IT ? I barely come here at all and the few times i do its about true professional input and so that makes me a villain? okay. noted

[+ DALE CRUZE]

The plot thickens!!!

I knew there was more to this story... you didn’t provide him with the expected “services”, so he then demands a refund for his “allergy”....

 

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why would screwing someone be expected services??? i don't advertise that i offer penetration. I don't offer penetration with my massage and that is always made clear up front. on rare occasion tho i have had people still pursue that from me when i get there EVEN THOUGH i let them know up front that its not offered. but that is really very rare. most of my clients are not wanting to get screwed. they want a great massage . and i deliver that. THE client in this scenario NEVER said i gave him a lousy massage. make note

[+ DALE CRUZE]

You've solved the "problem" by outing him as a cheat. At first, I was going to say, "Be a good guy and offer him a free massage next time," but when I read that he had such a severe reaction, I realized that anyone who was THAT allergic would tell you first.

However, you have probably decided by now to ask your clients if they have allergies, and note that you use lavender (and perhaps other allergens) in your lotion. It's a good idea to do that.

Many restaurants will ask about allergies when I make a reservation on line. They know that EMTs rushing into their place of business at a crowded hour is not good for business!

 

Thanks for your input and yes now i do ask that question. i usually always ask: "do u have any injuries , surgeries, neck pain , back pain, or chronic pain in ur body . Are you in pain now anywhere? do you have blood clots or are you on blood thinners?" so now i add: " are you allergic to any fragrances or essential oils, have skin allergies or sensitivities that would lead you to break out from receiving a massage with professional plant based massaged lotion which may contain lavender or other herbs.?" and i guess i should also include "are you prone to cancer from being around wind turbines and what is your blood type and zodiac sign" jk about the last one

[Monarchy79]

People are such hipocrites... and the “customer is always right”, mentality is pure toxic bullshit.

 

If customers can post commentary on masseurs (many people tear them down and unfairly trash them with ill intent), then why can’t a masseur address an issue he had with a client? He didn’t mention the person’s name or any other identifying information.

 

As a customer, it makes my blood boil, how some of you think that just because you are paying for a service, that you have the “right”, to have one-sided benefits that cater to your egoes.

 

Some of you don’t realize it, but some of you are BAD CUSTOMERS and teeter along the lines of social retardation.

 

“Lavender Guy”, stalked this masseur on another site, then after being rejected, finds out he is a masseur, and then books an appointment with the intent of manipulating him into sex. When the masseur doesn’t fall for the catfishing, he then lies about an allergy and demands a refund.

This dude is beyond “involuntary celibacy”, and creeped me the hell out.

 

There’s no way he should be excused for his behavior, nor should the masseur keep quiet.

Actually, he should warn other masseurs about this guy... he’s a safety risk!!!