The boredom pangs of escorting: Thinking of doing porn

[Mocha]

By bored, I don’t mean bored of the passionate encounters I have with clients...but more of just bored of the acknowledgement I feel can be under-received with being an escort.

 

I’ve been working on staying consistent on social media, but I admire some of the guys who have their porn name/company boosting their ratings and getting thousands of likes.

 

Over the past few months, at the suggestion of a few clients that I should try out porn, I wonder if I’ve been doing enough. I have the reviews, I have the demand, but sometimes I feel like “they” don’t know who I am. And for many years, I wanted to maintain that low profile, of not being readily recognized when I went out with friends to bars. But now, I don’t really frequent gay social networks, and anyone I do cross is usually a hookup or friends who already know who I am.

 

Not to mention, though I love traveling cities, unless I know friends there already, I’ve been feeling less zest than before. Considering I’ve been to most every city in the country more than twice, I usually find myself arriving, going to the store, then to the hotel and just crashing out with a take out. I don’t have the motivation to do touristy things/fancy restaurants (unless at the invite of a client) because I’m not there to share with anyone. Occasionally I’ll allow myself 1 or 2 freebie hookups each trip if I’ve reached my financial goals or not expecting anyone else to pop up.

 

On the other hand, I just have many reservations about porn...Part of me sees there’s so many people doing it. How do I know if I’ll get what I’m wanting out of it? For every hot gay porn star to follow, there’s a dozen more doing the same thing. Then there’s the exposure, and the lifelong commitment to being “out there”. I may also sound like a hypocritical conservative by saying this, but part of me does feel excessive watching of porn has contributed to certain problems in the gay community: more requests for barebacking, more men with sexual/porn addictions, and an overall commercializing of sex in general. I feel more and more people are being influenced by what they see on xTube.

 

Then I wonder about the pay. I’ve spoke to a producer who named some names and dropped how much their pay was. Whether that was “per shoot” or part of a lump sum contractual payment, I didn’t clarify. But, some of the figures given, I have made that same amount in the privacy of some generous clients. That thread I made about low rates was more of a general theme, but there’s clients who don’t mind dropping 400, 500, 600 for a couple (easy) hours of my time. BUT...if I’m doing porn for exposure and/or the entertainment value, the level of pay may not be as important.

 

For those reasons, though I’ve been a provider for over 10 years, doing porn was not a priority of mine. But for the reasons expressed, I feel I’m at a point where I’m ready for new endeavors.

 

Is there anyone has thought about doing/or not doing porn, but changed their mind? I know this is similar to a post @VictorPowers made awhile back, however I understand each person’s circumstance may differ.

Edited February 27, 2019 by Mocha

[+ Topseed]

I hired a longtime porn star this past weekend. He offered that his porn pay was lousy; he did it to “stay relevant”, and to drive traffic to his escort ad and his OnlyFans account.

Edited February 27, 2019 by Topseed

[manTOman]

I recently had a few chats with several guys about this. From what I've heard, porn pay is very shitty but if you look at it as free advertisement to boost your name and traffic it might be worth it. I think the ones benefitting from porn the most are big stars, so you'll have to be at it for a while to build your porn star status.

Now all the guys I've talked to prefer onlyfans accounts. It allows them to control their own content, earning potential is far better and depending on your content and popularity you could get the same type of exposure as doing porn. What all of them said is that porn is forever and they control their IG and onlyfans, so they could pull their accounts whenever they wanted and it wouldn't follow them for the rest of their life. I'm not sure if that is entirely true since we live in the internet age and once stuff is out there it tends to stay, but it's another perspective.

Whether porn or only fans or another avenue, I don't think there's an easy fix. With each you'll have to stay with it to build your name/traffic/followers/likes and what not.

[Mocha]

Ironically, before I even came back to read the replies, I had begun signing up for an only fans account. I often see the tweets on Twitter referencing justfor.fans.

 

I'll give it a shot. Like I said, for the most part I've stayed "relevant" because I'm regularly traveling and doing photo shoots and I also post my own selfie clips on Twitter, and Rentmen of course. My thing is, I don't readily have the equipment or 3rd party person to shoot higher quality porn videos, so there's only so much I can do myself.

 

Some days, I question whether I'm doing enough. But what's enough? For the first 5 years of escorting, I had no doubt I was content. These last 4 or 5 years, I'm still content, but the doubts are there. Everything from unsupportive friends, to former clients admitting they're "jealous" of my prices (and subsequently asking if ill accept a lower rate), to client trying to get me to find a different job, quit, and be his. Add to that the occasional RIP or renegade of a few good clients...My entrepreneurial spirit has been thoroughly tested. Each time, I brush off, and get back into the spirit better than the last.

 

That's not to sound like a "victim" (people love to throw that around). Rather more of desire to separate from unproductive situations, and accentuate what's already in progress. Perhaps porn could provide that. But, I've also run into unsupportive (even sabatoging) members of the sex industry as well, so even I do go into porn, I'm not expecting all peaches and cream either.

 

Like I've said, people in this biz can be trippy, I don't know why. I've had a masseur in Dallas send me a message saying I'm not a masseur, but a prosititute, another massur in Kansas City recently tried to set me up (and I caught the BS on his 2nd message), other scenarios where I've reached out to providers and the interaction was seemingly unwelcome. All kinds. Where are the real people at? If I have to do porn to connect with some real people in the industry, I'm willing and able.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Porn is a dead-end. Unless you can somehow own your image and name in the contract, it's not worth the time for the small pay.

 

OnlyFans seems to only work for a small percentage of users: Most guys I know who have accounts struggle to keep constant content coming. It's a grind and the audiences are fickle, pulling their monthly memberships as soon as they're bored. That's a hamster wheel.

[LoganHungTop]

Porn is a dead-end. Unless you can somehow own your image and name in the contract, it's not worth the time for the small pay.

 

OnlyFans seems to only work for a small percentage of users: Most guys I know who have accounts struggle to keep constant content coming. It's a grind and the audiences are fickle, pulling their monthly memberships as soon as they're bored. That's a hamster wheel.

 

How much are we talking about? (income)

[Mocha]

Porn is a dead-end. Unless you can somehow own your image and name in the contract, it's not worth the time for the small pay.

 

OnlyFans seems to only work for a small percentage of users: Most guys I know who have accounts struggle to keep constant content coming. It's a grind and the audiences are fickle, pulling their monthly memberships as soon as they're bored. That's a hamster wheel.

 

Interesting. I can see that with only fans. The thing that that got me about justfor.fans (are we talking the same site here?) is they mentioned something about a $50 minimum in order to cash anything out to you.

 

I’m ??‍♂️ on this whole low pay for porn thing. Is this something recent? I always thought the Colt and Falcon type models and even the ones Chi Chi La Rue did had some figures attached to them. The “income” I’ve “heard” over time have ranged anywhere from guys getting $2,000 per shoot, to $50,000 for a “contract”, to on average $500 per shoot, etc.

 

If in fact it’s not worth the pay, it goes back to what I was saying about advertising on Adam. There’s many providers who say they won’t advetise on a4a. Well to me, that’s just a supplement to my other work. Some guys supplement with onlyfans, others with porn, I use a4a and do massages.

 

Thing with massages (namely a4a) is some of these rates they ask for. Some guys think just because it says “masseur”, they expect corporate spa prices. They don’t comprehend that I’m not seeing clients round the clock, and $90 when only 1 to 2 clients actually show up per week is not going to cut it.

 

I been working on the social media thing, but it’s addicting lol. I’ve always been the type that I’ll strive to do 2-4 photo shoots a year, and that’s it. With social media it’s like having to consistently roll out new material. And with me, I’ve so many different things going on to where I’m not always inclined.

 

 

I’m also trying to limit my “at home” time to no more than one to two weeks at a time, and travel the rest of the month. Lot of the boredom is arising out of those one to two weeks I’m not traveling, because the area I’m temporarily based in is s.a.d. weather and few clients.

[hypothetically]

The porn train has long passed my friend.

 

If you really feel “acknowledgement is undereceived” escorting, whew..just wait until you do porn.

 

It’s not good money. And no one else can say it because they have to be politically correct but.. black doesn’t sell unless you have dick down to your knees like Cutler, you are built like a brick shithouse and have a unique look that distinguishes you from the rest, or you assume a homo thug role. Sad reality but black men are not well represented in porn. I don’t think being an extra in a Treasure Island gangbang film for cab fare is worth it. But that’s just me.

 

Same for onlyfans. What separates you from the rest and are you marketable? If you are very marketable, my guess would be that you wouldn’t be “bored” with escorting and you’d be very busy.

 

Weigh your options I suppose. My whole stance on porn/OnlyFans has always been a stern no. There is and always will be an “exclusive” element to escorting. Not everyone has direct access to you, and there’s something alluring about that alone. Jacking off on OnlyFans where you have to garner a following, a following that pays for you for the cost of Netflix is very “meh” to me compared to the opportunities afforded to you escorting.

 

If it’s not working out for you escorting (per your numerous posts verbalizing your frustrations with this line of work), I don’t foresee porn being any better for you.

[Mocha]

The porn train has long passed my friend.

 

If you really feel “acknowledgement is undereceived” escorting, whew..just wait until you do porn.

 

It’s not good money. And no one else can say it because they have to be politically correct but.. black doesn’t sell unless you have dick down to your knees like Cutler, you are built like a brick shithouse and have a unique look that distinguishes you from the rest, or you assume a homo thug role. Sad reality but black men are not well represented in porn. I don’t think being an extra in a Treasure Island gangbang film for cab fare is worth it. But that’s just me.

 

Same for onlyfans. What separates you from the rest and are you marketable? If you are very marketable, my guess would be that you wouldn’t be “bored” with escorting and you’d be very busy.

 

Weigh your options I suppose. My whole stance on porn/OnlyFans has always been a stern no. There is and always will be an “exclusive” element to escorting. Not everyone has direct access to you, and there’s something alluring about that alone. Jacking off on OnlyFans where you have to garner a following, a following that pays for you for the cost of Netflix is very “meh” to me compared to the opportunities afforded to you escorting.

 

If it’s not working out for you escorting (per your numerous posts verbalizing your frustrations with this line of work), I don’t foresee porn being any better for you.

 

Thankyou for the assessment and the extra perception. It certainly adds to the overall consideration.

 

I just want to be clear, and maybe I did make it come across this way in the title, but I’m not “bored” with escorting in itself. S work is a sexy, interesting, fulfilling career and sometimes I forget how grateful and blessed I am to have come this far and have steady demand. I appreciate everyone I’ve met. Over the weekend I had a client invite me out to a swingers club and me and another guy put on quite the “show”, and over the weekend a client I’ve known for 5 years happened to be visiting the same city.

 

To be honest, I don’t know what I’m actually bored of. I guess what I’m referring to is beyond the reviews I get, I don’t feel “celebrated”. All those awards like hookies and the various porn awards honor porn stars, or escorts who do porn, but where’s the public acknowledgement for guys who just escort?

 

Also, it’s the social aspect of things that are missing. These past couple months I’ve been traveling a lot. So I’ve been doing less social situations. Sure, escorting can provide lots of social and communication, but it’s all 1 on 1, concentrated to the time that they booked.

 

 

Like I said, I may be more bored with my “situation” versus escorting in itself. I know when I went to Chicago the weekend before NYE, I stayed near boystown and I just felt so revived and alive. Same way when I go to DC and SF. I just feel zesty and alive. Problem is I end up not being able to stay in those cities too long as I’m not in a position to make a living situation out of those visits.

[hypothetically]

Thankyou for the assessment and the extra perception. It certainly adds to the overall consideration.

 

I just want to be clear, and maybe I did make it come across this way in the title, but I’m not “bored” with escorting in itself. S work is a sexy, interesting, fulfilling career and sometimes I forget how grateful and blessed I am to have come this far and have steady demand. I appreciate everyone I’ve met. Over the weekend I had a client invite me out to a swingers club and me and another guy put on quite the “show”, and over the weekend a client I’ve known for 5 years happened to be visiting the same city.

 

To be honest, I don’t know what I’m actually bored of. I guess what I’m referring to is beyond the reviews I get, I don’t feel “celebrated”. All those awards like hookies and the various porn awards honor porn stars, or escorts who do porn, but where’s the public acknowledgement for guys who just escort?

 

Also, it’s the social aspect of things that are missing. These past couple months I’ve been traveling a lot. So I’ve been doing less social situations. Sure, escorting can provide lots of social and communication, but it’s all 1 on 1, concentrated to the time that they booked.

 

 

Like I said, I may be more bored with my “situation” versus escorting in itself. I know when I went to Chicago the weekend before NYE, I stayed near boystown and I just felt so revived and alive. Same way when I go to DC and SF. I just feel zesty and alive. Problem is I end up not being able to stay in those cities too long as I’m not in a position to make a living situation out of those visits.

 

I think you just like to rant....and that’s fine.

[Mocha]

I think you just like to rant....and that’s fine.

 

Less of a rant, more of just processing and examining the possibilities

[FTM Zachary Prince]

I’ve been wrestling with a lot of these same considerations over the last 2 years, @Mocha. Ultimately considering that FTM porn is the fastest-exploding type of porn and underserved as a genre, coupled with the fact that most escort ad venues have structural flaws that render them inadequate for FTM advertisers, and also that I’m personally struggling with a lack of traffic flow from people who are in fact attracted to people of my gender and physicality, I’ve reached the conclusion that my career needs to expand into porn! I definitely think self-producing and owning your content is the way to go, but as people mentioned, this hustle requires consistency to yield good financial results from the content itself. I’m curious about approaching porn primarily as a form of advertising, since many escorts report that it brings them lots of work and that’s why they do it. If I consider it that way, it seems that posting my porn scenes publicly on tube sites would benefit me a hell of a lot more than being paid $400-500 by a porn company that is going to place the scene behind a paywall. I figure since my escort hustle is solid but traffic is my problem, having the public exposure will earn me a lot more. So I’m now collecting scenes until I have 8-12 put together for a big grand opening on my new pornhub channel. Let me know if you will ever be in the same place and time as me and wanna shoot some content trade. I’ve got a studio in SF now.

[LivingnLA]

@hypothetically and @FTM Zachary Prince are spot on. Porn, generally speaking, is a terrible market for the actors unless you're one of the chosen few or, better yet, target an under-served niche. Because of racism, black men are relegated to very limited defined roles. I may be wrong, but I imagine a muscular black man with a well above average cock (at least 8+) would be able to create something in the whole Dominant Black Man / white sub bitch genre, especially if he's good with words since verbalization and scene creation are so critical in those fantasies. Perhaps a podcast about whatever interests you enough that you could generate enough content to post weekly.

 

The key in today's content economy seems to be a perception of "authenticity" coupled with "intimacy" in the sense of "getting to know" something about you or the fantasy life people may think you live.

Edited March 7, 2019 by LivingnLA

[Mocha]

I’ve been wrestling with a lot of these same considerations over the last 2 years, @Mocha. Ultimately considering that FTM porn is the fastest-exploding type of porn and underserved as a genre, coupled with the fact that most escort ad venues have structural flaws that render them inadequate for FTM advertisers, and also that I’m personally struggling with a lack of traffic flow from people who are in fact attracted to people of my gender and physicality, I’ve reached the conclusion that my career needs to expand into porn! I definitely think self-producing and owning your content is the way to go, but as people mentioned, this hustle requires consistency to yield good financial results from the content itself. I’m curious about approaching porn primarily as a form of advertising, since many escorts report that it brings them lots of work and that’s why they do it. If I consider it that way, it seems that posting my porn scenes publicly on tube sites would benefit me a hell of a lot more than being paid $400-500 by a porn company that is going to place the scene behind a paywall. I figure since my escort hustle is solid but traffic is my problem, having the public exposure will earn me a lot more. So I’m now collecting scenes until I have 8-12 put together for a big grand opening on my new pornhub channel. Let me know if you will ever be in the same place and time as me and wanna shoot some content trade. I’ve got a studio in SF now.

 

Interesting! Well I do need to make my rounds back to SF...perhaps in April will be good timing. Otherwise good points made.

 

Is it important to “live” in a an area that has many studios? I know Orlando and Miami supposedly had some studios, but it seems to me the ones down there seemed to play up on the whole stereotypes that @LivingnLA mentioned.

 

That said, @LivingnLA, the whole dom

Blk/wht sub genre is actually still a “thing” right now, and I don’t think it’s as limited. If I were to guess, I would imagine it’s one of the top main fetishes out there (though, I don’t like to “call it” a fetish). In some markets, it sells better than others. For example, in Atlanta, it doesn’t work well there because anyone interested in the fantasy have more

Options at their disposable, to where it’s overwhelming. But a place like Minneapolis...the fantasy is going to fly off the shelves.

 

For example, just the other day there was a bi-married client who enjoyed watching straight porn while with a guy, because he wants to imagine being a woman.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Mocha

[LivingnLA]

Interesting! Well I do need to make my rounds back to SF...perhaps in April will be good timing. Otherwise good points made.

 

Is it important to “live” in a an area that has many studios? I know Orlando and Miami supposedly had some studios, but it seems to me the ones down there seemed to play up on the whole stereotypes that @LivingnLA mentioned.

 

That said, @LivingnLA, the whole dom

Blk/wht sub genre is actually still a “thing” right now, and I don’t think it’s as limited. If I were to guess, I would imagine it’s one of the top main fetishes out there (though, I don’t like to “call it” a fetish). In some markets, it sells better than others. For example, in Atlanta, it doesn’t work well there because anyone interested in the fantasy have more

Options at their disposable, to where it’s overwhelming. But a place like Minneapolis...the fantasy is going to fly off the shelves.

 

For example, just the other day there was a bi-married client who enjoyed watching straight porn while with a guy, because he wants to imagine being a woman.

 

I mentioned it because it's so powerful and relevant. And yes, you're right about targeting the right regions. If a strong black man wanted to explore this as an escort or even a porn producer, you're right about going where the market opportunity exists: regions with large white male populations especially those with disposable income and comparitively smaller populations of black men. Think the Pacific Northwest, New England, the Dakotas or West Texas as just a few examples of possibilities.

Edited March 10, 2019 by LivingnLA

[marylander1940]

Maybe @tassojunior could put @Mocha in touch with some European producers looking to do something different in the old continent.

[+ tassojunior]

Maybe @tassojunior could put @Mocha in touch with some European producers looking to do something different in the old continent.

 

Bel Ami just had Ryan Rose over for some action but not sure how well it went. BA hires at 18 and normally ditches by mid 20's.

[FTM Zachary Prince]

Is it important to “live” in a an area that has many studios?

 

I think it depends on how talented you are at self-producing your content. An area with many studios might have more well-established resources and population of active adult actors for you to tap into. But if you find that you can instigate regular content production on your own, then it’s really not necessary to be located nearby to those networks. People don’t mind an amateur feel for pornography. It feels voyeuristic and intimate to a lot of fans. You can really just shoot your personal hookups on your iPhone or a $200 Canon Vixia on a tripod, or solo/duo verbal domination videos in the aforementioned genre, from literally anywhere in the world. What’s most important is that you become comfortable in front of the camera, get on a regular production/release schedule, and be able to instigate content trade or get hookups to agree to allow you to shoot them and use the content. I mean you could also do only solo content but the networking involved in content trade seems to benefit all parties involved. I can see how that would be easier in areas with a lot of studio action. Whether you can find success with it in other areas or not probably depends on your personality and your ability to self-motivate for production.

[Mocha]

I mentioned it because it's so powerful and relevant. And yes, you're absolutely right about targeting the right regions. If a strong black man wanted to explore this as an escort or even a porn producer, you're absolutely right about going where the market opportunity exists: regions with large white male populations especially those with disposable income and comparitively smaller populations of black men. Think the Pacific Northwest, New England, the Dakotas or West Texas as just a few examples of possibilities.

 

I actually have a friend who’s moving up near ND area. I have scouted that area in the past, even though it’s that way up there...they just have a small population in their cities. Rentmen and a4a have little to no advertisements, and a previous trip there a few years back shown it to me “potential”, but because it’s so small and spread out, I have to make sure I’m set up before I go. Not a place to just go and expect a steady stream of clients, especially now that backpage and Craigslist are out. Those were the 2 main sites to get any biz from in that area

 

I want to still wish Grindr/Scruff and such would freely allow postings of ads, to get better exposure in many of these small towns, but I just don’t think it would make fuck of a difference. I keep hearing these stories of “foe hoes” on Grindr. Random people who don’t advertise anywhere else, but will gladly try to sell something on Grindr to anyone, without discernment. Even if they did allow pro ads on Grindr, it’d probably be another Craigslist yard sell of an app, with rates of $50 to $100, with bareback included, for two hours. That type of stuff I don’t miss.

 

Also with Scruff, I think that site is a bit of a complex. Craigslist was more interracial, Scruff seems to be a bit “exclusive”. Not to mention, you really have to sit on the app for awhile to really see results from it.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Mocha

[LivingnLA]

I actually have a friend who’s moving up near ND area. I have scouted that area in the past, even though it’s that way up there...they just have a small population in their cities. Rentmen and a4a have little to no advertisements, and a previous trip there a few years back shown it to me “potential”, but because it’s so small and spread out, I have to make sure I’m set up before I go. Not a place to just go and expect a steady stream of clients, especially now that backpage and Craigslist are out. Those were the 2 main sites to get any biz from in that area

 

I want to still wish Grindr/Scruff and such would freely allow postings of ads, to get better exposure in many of these small towns, but I just don’t think it would make fuck of a difference. I keep hearing these stories of “foe hoes” on Grindr. Random people who don’t advertise anywhere else, but will gladly try to sell something on Grindr to anyone, without discernment. Even if they did allow pro ads on Grindr, it’d probably be another Craigslist yard sell of an app, with rates of $50 to $100, with bareback included, for two hours. That type of stuff I don’t miss.

 

Also with Scruff, I think that site is a bit of a complex. Craigslist was more interracial, Scruff seems to be a bit “exclusive”. Not to mention, you really have to sit on the app for awhile to really see results from it.

 

In places like North Dakota or West Texas, it's much more about the "mancamps" not the cities. Barbers are making six-figures cutting hair in the camps. I'm not sure about the logistics, but I imagine someone creative and resourceful could make substantial money in the camps.

[marylander1940]

In places like North Dakota or West Texas, it's much more about the "mancamps" not the cities. Barbers are making six-figures cutting hair in the camps. I'm not sure about the logistics, but I imagine someone creative and resourceful could make substantial money in the camps.

 

They are the new 49ers

[Mocha]

In places like North Dakota or West Texas, it's much more about the "mancamps" not the cities. Barbers are making six-figures cutting hair in the camps. I'm not sure about the logistics, but I imagine someone creative and resourceful could make substantial money in the camps.

 

That’s what a friend of mine was showing me. The massive man camps of manufactured homes in the area.

 

 

 

...having traveled to some of the most rural areas to meet clients, I know how such areas can be. You may find 1 or 2 good clients, but it won’t last unless an escort is willing to create a “relationship” with that client and is there all the time. Or, they travel there only, versus living there all the time. As one could overstay the welcome rather quickly. I’d imagine also a lot would be bi-curious, so their availability can be unpredictable.

 

Finding good clients in escorting is more than just having a lot of men around who are making money. There has to be the demand for M4M sex, the open-mindedness, and the will to spend for such a commodity. If 1 or more of those are missing, it’s just not going to work. That’s why there’s no providers advertising in North Dakota, along with most areas outside of major metros.

 

Being that I’m still waiting for my incall location to become ready, I’m temporarily staying in a rural area of Missouri 2 to 3 weeks at a time in between my travels. Despite there being lots of men out here, there ain’t shit going on outside of Kansas City. There’s 4 medium sized towns south of Kansas City that I can get to. It’s not happening because the demand for m4m sex isn’t here, they aren’t open minded to it, and the ones who are gay, don’t have the will to spend for it. Therefore, the market is non-existent with the exception of about 2 clients I’ve met in these parts over a period of 3 months.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Mocha