Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer Flames Out

[RockHard]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

Not sure why the OP is so defensive. I guess we'll all have to endure another egg-on-face/foot-in-mouth grammar lesson. I wrote "at least," which means at the very least the OP (might be) poorly informed. Mis, ill, un...I don't care, pick your prefix. And pick your verb, too. I left the door open for a variety of possibilities. But the OP obviously doesn't appreciate my deference.

 

Any member who starts a potentially controversial thread based on "news" reports, without knowing the actual facts, will look silly if his supposition turns out wrong.

 

Why must Michael Richards succumb to a press lynching and claim his birth religion anyway? Isn't every man entitled to shoot himself in the foot at least one time without calling for death-by-press? What right do we have to know such information? How does (the possibly irrelevant) information change the outcome? This thread wreaks of disingenuous, attention-getting, salacious manipulation. I think the OP needs a bath, and I'm not talkin' urine.

[Rick Munroe]

>While you have your brief moments, most of us prefer your

>without brief moments.

 

Since I spend most of my time out of my briefs, the brief moments really are brief moments.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

>I believe that we are all born without religion. Just because

>my parents were of one religion does not automatically make me

>the same. Before that can be said I have to be old enough to

>make a choice.

 

I agree completely. That's why I get a little annoyed when people (mostly Jews) try to tell me I am Jewish just because I was born into a Jewish family. Yes, I occasionally refer to myself as Jewish on here but it's just for comical reasons (Jewish mother jokes are my specialty).

[+ deej]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

>I agree completely. That's why I get a little annoyed when

>people (mostly Jews) try to tell me I am Jewish just because I

>was born into a Jewish family.

 

Imagine getting that just because of your name. I get it all the time.

 

Observant Jews have "disapproved of" me because I eat pork, mix meat and dairy, and work on the Sabbath.

 

I'M A FREAKING WASP! ;-) The closest I get to religion is my Grandmother was a devout Methodist.

 

>Yes, I occasionally refer to

>myself as Jewish on here but it's just for comical reasons

>(Jewish mother jokes are my specialty).

 

True story: A good friend, a Jew, was working on his car when he self-inflicted a major cut. He ran into his house, dripping blood all over the place and asking for someone to take him to the hospital. I watched as his very NNJ Jewish mother stammered and then asked:

 

"D'ya want a sandwich?"

 

:+

 

I would not have believed it if I hadn't actually seen it.

[Luv2play]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

Mis, ill, un...I don't care, pick your

>prefix.

 

Anyone who is careless with prefixes is either illiterate or ill-intentioned. Take your pick.

>

>Any member who starts a potentially controversial thread based

>on "news" reports, without knowing the actual facts, will look

>silly if his supposition turns out wrong.

 

I started this thread three or four days after this story broke and it has been reported on extensively in both the press, television and the Internet. I was aware of all the facts as they were reported and your bringing up one obscure report which may or may not be accurate does not alter the fact that everyone until now assumed Richards was Jewish.

>

>Why must Michael Richards succumb to a press lynching and

>claim his birth religion anyway?

 

This is laughable since it was Richards who raised the lynching topic.

 

This thread wreaks of disingenuous,

>attention-getting, salacious manipulation. I think the OP

>needs a bath, and I'm not talkin' urine.

 

That's your opinion. I think the comments that have been made by various posters, other than yours, have been serious and thought-provoking. You're the one that needs to take a cold shower.

[Guest TBinCHI]

I think that bias is part of the human condition. I agree that most of us are socialized and conditioned to not just suppress it but overcome it. Richards' rant was pathetic and revealed his talent as shallow. Humans resort to ad hominem attacks when they have no confidence in their ability to reason. Any time I see or hear an attack on a person's character as opposed to their argument, I deeply discount what is being said.

 

I'm surprised that no one on this site has made the parallel between the righteous outrage over Michael Richards' remarks and the lack of any outrage over Isaiah Washington calling his cast mate a faggot. Gays have a long way to go, baby!

[+ deej]

>Deej - I really don't have a source but

 

But you're willing to stand proudly on your unsubstantiated personal bias? ;-)

 

(No problem! We all do it! But we need to own up to it when we do, or at least recognize it.)

 

>but ask yourself this, how many times in the past 5 years have

>you read a newspaper report, or a TV report about a terrorist?

>Quite a number of times would be my guess. And how often was

>the terrorist's name, Johnston, Wakefield, Sutton, Bartlett or

>even anything you can pronounce?

 

How about McVeigh? Dillon Kliebold or the other shooters at Columbine? (Yes, that was a terror act.) Or the wackos at Waco? Or the more recent shooting at an Amish school in PA?

 

How many of those had "foreign" names? (Hint: none.)

 

We face plenty of terroristic threats at home every day, from our own people. We've got no room whatsoever to throw stones.

 

>Thats the province of our overly sensitive moderators

 

(Full disclosure:) And the admins -- of which I are one. ;-)

[Guest zipperzone]

>>but ask yourself this, how many times in the past 5 years

>have

>>you read a newspaper report, or a TV report about a

>terrorist?

>>Quite a number of times would be my guess. And how often was

>>the terrorist's name, Johnston, Wakefield, Sutton, Bartlett

>or

>>even anything you can pronounce?

 

>How about McVeigh? Dillon Kliebold or the other shooters at

>Columbine? (Yes, that was a terror act.) Or the wackos at

>Waco? Or the more recent shooting at an Amish school in PA?

 

You know perfectly well (or should know) that Waco & the Amish shootings were NOT the same type of terrorish as The world Trade Centre, the London subway bombings, the train bombing in Spain, the USS Cole etc. Don't try and equate the former to the latter just to try and prove a point.

 

>How many of those had "foreign" names? (Hint: none.)

 

See above!

[Guest zipperzone]

>That is why Jerry Seinfeld

>went into immediate damage control on the Letterman show.

>Apparently he pulls in $100 million a year in syndication and

>DVD sales and that ain't no chump change. He has a vested

>interest to protect and you would think Richards does too.

 

If Jerry is making 100 Million a year (hard to believe but I guess it's possible) then Richards must be making a bundle too. Perhaps around 10 Mill?

 

>Interestingly, Richards started his diatribe by saying he was

>a rich guy and he didn't need to take any guff from the

>hecklers.

 

I'd bet he is worth many millions himself. If I were him, I'd never work another day in my life. He's 59, time to enjoy the fruits of his labour.

[Lookin]

< I'm surprised that no one on this site has made the parallel between the righteous outrage over Michael Richards' remarks and the lack of any outrage over Isaiah Washington calling his cast mate a faggot. Gays have a long way to go, baby! >

 

 

Maybe we’re next. I’ll commit to never use the n-word or the f-word.

 

 

 

Black Leaders Seek End to Use of Slur

 

Nov 27, 5:37 PM (ET)

 

By GREG RISLING

 

 

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Black leaders on Monday challenged the entertainment industry, including rappers, to stop use of the racial slur that Michael Richards uttered in his tirade.

 

The Rev. Jesse Jackson and others said they will meet with TV networks, film companies and musicians to discuss the "n-word."

 

"We want to give our ancestors a present," Jackson said at a news conference. "Dignity over degradation."

 

Jackson also asked the public not to buy a DVD box set of the seventh season of the TV show "Seinfeld" that was released last week.

 

Richards, who played the wacky neighbor Kramer on "Seinfeld," triggered outrage with a Nov. 17 racial rant against two black men when he was heckled during a stand-up comedy routine at the Laugh Factory nightclub in West Hollywood. A patron recorded the outburst with a video camera phone.

 

Richards has made several apologies, including one Sunday on Jackson's syndicated radio program, in which he has said he is not a racist and was motivated by anger.

 

At the press conference, comedian Paul Mooney said he has used the "n-word" numerous times during stand-up performances but will no longer do so after watching Richards' rant.

 

"He's my Dr. Phil," the black comedian said. "He's cured me."

 

Asked about free-speech issues, Jackson said the word is "unprotected."

 

U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., charged that only situations such as the Richards incident turn mainstream media attention to issues involving the black community.

 

"This is not simply about whether or not the black community forgives or forgets, this is about understanding that this is pervasive, that this happens in all of our institutions, one way or the other," Waters said.

[RockHard]

"We've got no room whatsoever to throw stones."

Last I looked, not one American is strapping bombs to his waist shouting, "Praise Allah!," as part of a religious martyr/suicide cult. Not all terrorists are the same or have the same agenda. The "throwing stones" comment is utterly simplistic and narrow but, then again, this is an escort forum.

 

Robert Baer's "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber" might enlighten some. It's currently available on DVD.

[Luv2play]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

Rick, if your mother thinks you're Jewish, trust me, you're Jewish! And we love you for it!

[JT Brooklyn]

Zip..It would be interesting to see how this "Faux Paus' has affected the Sales of the "SEINFELD DVD" That Seinfeld was Hawking on Lettermen..

 

I'm sure the Bottom Line for some is as usual the $$$ Factor! LOL

[Guest icon513]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

It was widely reported for over half a week

>that Richards was Jewish and he said nothing publicly to

>refute it, although he had ample opportunity.

 

 

Perhaps he was a bit too busy denying that he was a racist to deny that he was a Jew?

[Rick Munroe]

>Jackson also asked the public not to buy a DVD box set of the

>seventh season of the TV show "Seinfeld" that was released

>last week.

 

That's not fair to the cast and crew of Seinfeld (of which I was never a fan, btw). It's not like Kramer said "the n word" in any of those episodes! Why doesn't Jackson ask the public not to buy any hip-hop CD's that use that and other pejorative words?

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

[h1]OY VEY IS MIR![/h1]

[Luv2play]

It was mentioned on CNN that Seinfeld draws $100million per year on residuals and DVD sales. The DVD version of the seventh season was released a few days ago and I noted that the Rev Jesse Jackson called on people to boycott it, this on the same day he had a meeting with Michaels to start the "healing" process. Seems healing dosn't include financial benefits!!! :o

[Lookin]

RE: Seinfeld Sidekick Kramer is NOT Jewish!

 

< And in any event, everyone assumed he was until now so I don't see how the OP was "silly", as you put it. On the other hand, I could hardly say otherwise since I was the originator of the OP. >

 

 

Don't feel too bad, even Michael Richards thinks he's Jewish.

 

 

 

Michael Richards: Jewish by Association?

 

Nov 28, 5:50 PM (ET)

 

By SOLVEJ SCHOU

 

 

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Just when it seemed Michael Richards was about to leave the most troubling incident of his career behind, his publicist is having to explain how the comic could consider himself to be Jewish.

 

Last week, crisis-management expert Howard Rubenstein acknowledged that Richards had shouted anti-Semitic remarks in an April standup comedy routine - well before his appearance earlier this month in which he harangued hecklers with the n-word. But he defended Richards' language about Jews, saying that the comic "is Jewish. He's not anti-Semitic at all. He was role-playing."

 

As Rubenstein's assertion circulated, Jewish organizations and commentators pointed out that the man who played Cosmo Kramer on "Seinfeld" has not converted to Judaism and neither of his parents are Jewish.

 

Which makes him ...

 

"Technically, not having been born by blood as Jewish and not formally going into a conversion, it was purely his interpretation of having adopted Judaism as his religion," Rubenstein told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "He told me, 'I'm Jewish,' when I asked him.

 

"He said there were two mentors who raised him and who had a big influence on his life, and they were Jewish. He said, 'I agree with the concepts and the religious beliefs of Judaism and I've adopted Judaism as my religion,'" Rubenstein said. "He really thinks of himself as Jewish."

 

What do some Jews think?

 

"You can't feel Jewish. It's not a matter of feeling. You can convert to Judaism. You can't not convert to Judaism and then be Jewish," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.

 

Hier defined being Jewish from two perspectives, if someone hasn't gone through the process of formal conversion.

 

"From the Orthodox point of view, if that person has a Jewish mother, he would be considered Jewish," Hier said. "In the Reform tradition, there's also a patrilineage. Under those categories, he would not fit."

 

Rabbi Mark S. Diamond of the 280-member Board of Rabbis of Southern California agreed.

 

"There are many people who appreciate Jewish customs, who may embrace aspects of Jewish culture and practice, but that does not make them Jewish," he said.

 

After his tirade came to light, Richards apologized on David Letterman's "Late Show" on CBS, saying his remarks were sparked by anger at being heckled, not bigotry. He also apologized to the Rev. Al Sharpton, and apologized Sunday on the Rev. Jesse Jackson's syndicated radio program.

 

Rubenstein said Richards wasn't available for an interview Tuesday.

 

"He wants to rest," the publicist said. "He's been talking to his psychiatrist."

[Guest zipperzone]

>Why doesn't Jackson ask the public

>not to buy any hip-hop CD's that use that and other pejorative

>words?

 

Becasue that would deprive HIS people of $$$ and that's a nono. However if whitie has to bear the cost then thats AOK.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Zip..It would be interesting to see how this "Faux Paus' has

>affected the Sales of the "SEINFELD DVD" That Seinfeld was

>Hawking on Lettermen..

 

I would doubt if it has much effect. I'm really tired of all the boycotts that are being promoted these days, especially by the Christian Reich.

 

And I am probably alone in thinking this way, but if I were Richards, I'd stop apologizing. Enough already! Any more will do no good and will only serve to make him look even more ridiculous.

 

He fucked up - we all do at some time in our lives - he should say, I've apologized and if that isn't enough for you, then stick it up your hoop!

 

If he never works another day in his life, who cares. Let him sit on the beach in Cancun and collect all the DVD royalties along with Jerry.