Tipping

[Lookin]

Lots of different opinions here, and here’s another.

 

I feel a tip is something that the tipper wants to do, and is able to do comfortably. When it becomes an expectation, it can interfere with the relaxed quality of the experience for me. I tip a guy when I’ve had a really nice time, and I’ve got some extra cash to spare. It’s just another way of showing appreciation when I’m able to do so.

 

In the case of the guys from Premier, and guys whose rates are lower, then I’d be more likely to tip, since I’d be more likely to have the extra cash. If a guy’s rates were already high, I’d be less likely to have the extra cash for a tip.

 

There are a few guys that I’ve seen several times, and sometimes I tip and sometimes I don’t. If I do tip, I let them know that today I’ve got a little extra cash, and I want to show my appreciation for an excellent visit. And if I don’t have any extra cash the next time, then please don’t think I still didn’t enjoy the hell out of our time together. This seems to work out OK.

 

I’ve never felt that a guy’s availability, or the fun that we’ve had together, was influenced in any way by whether or not I tipped. If I did feel that was the case, then I wouldn’t see him again. It’s not that there’s anything wrong with a guy tailoring his service based on a tip; it’s just that it’s a different dynamic, and one that gets in the way of a relaxing good time for me. I also find that the expectation of a tip gets in the way of a fun time, so I wouldn’t hire a guy who lobbies for tips. But that’s just me.

 

Lastly, I know there are some escorts who do really well financially, but I don’t think that’s always the case. Even if a guy charges $250 an hour or more, it doesn’t mean he’s billing out forty hours a week like a busy doctor or lawyer. I think a lot of escorts may bill only a few sessions a week, and I’m glad if I can contribute in some small way to their making a living.

[Rick Munroe]

>Come on - Give your head a shake, guys!

 

Will a butt shake do instead?

[SAdler]

>But what about the fun, loving, appreciative men, who can't

>afford to be generous with cash, let alone pay $250-per-hour,

>but yearn to be intimate with a hot man who sells? Are these

>men less deserving of our memory because they earn less?

 

No! Not at all They are no less deserving by any means. There are people who stand out, stand out more, and then those who fade into the background. It's not to say that those who don't stand out more won't be remembered; some will just jump out when I get another email or phone call from them. Frankly in most cases it's not tipping that gets the stand out status for me ... honestly ... it's a big dick Perhaps I'm just too orally fixated for my own good

 

But truthfully, an honest, respectful, and kind individual is what matters most when I consider seeing someone again. What matters most to me is feeling appreciated and respected ... when that happens they could accidentally be short and I'll still be happy to see them again.

 

>Let's face it, not all gay men are rich with glamorous jobs.

>And many of those guys are demanding pricks with attitude.

>There clearly are many, many wonderful men out there who can't

>afford $250-an-hour for fantasy companionship, let alone a

>tip. Whoever decides to corner that market has the financial

>portfolio I want to manage.

 

There's a whole other box of chocolates! What interesting is that more often than not if someone makes a point of talking about saving up for an hourly appointment or something I'll tell them straight out it may not be ideal for us to meet. If someone is saving up for something their expectations get higher. Not to say that their expectations couldn't and shouldn't be met but I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone having buyer's remorse and possibly not wanting to hire again. But yeah, the demanding pricks (literally and figuratively) with attitude are all too common and are indeed the worst.

 

>Finding a fun, reliable customer (with a sexy smile, clean ass

>and fresh breath) is a gamble regardless of his income or his

>tipping procedure. Is money the be-all, end-all motivation for

>every escort? Gentlemen, it depends, doesn't it.

 

See the penis argument above For me at least, money plays little in the motivation aspect. It just is a perk in a hobby that let's me get to know a lot of interesting people. The point of this thread is tipping and as discussed, a tip of even $10 lets me know that the client appreciates the work I've put into a session and that they truly enjoyed themselves. I'm not going to lie, there are times when I had an AMAZING session with someone and was almost questioning myself when there was no tip.

 

It was mentioned earlier that the tip culture in America was getting out of hand and that could be an issue in the mentality here. But still, I think that escorting and most service industries that have tipping are a fine line of difference. The lawyer and doctor argument was brought up earlier and of course you likely you wouldn't want to tip them monetarily. Lawyers occasionally get bonuses from my experiences working for them. But in both cases wouldn't you be willing to send a nice gift to show appreciation for a job well done. The point in either is showing appreciation for effort put forth in a meeting.

[Guest zipperzone]

>>Come on - Give your head a shake, guys!

>

>Will a butt shake do instead?

 

Sure it will - especially if it's done about two inches from my flicking tongue.

[Guest zipperzone]

>I really wasn't going to weigh in on this because we know how

>popular my opinions tend to be but I figured I'd just respond

>to a couple zipper notes

 

You not wanting to weigh in on this? Come on, it's a joke, right?

 

>Responding to Brett and then Zipper's reply. Self serving ...

>well no, it's really not.

 

How can you possibly say, and expect a reader to believe, that the comment was not self-serving?

 

Like was brought up ... a lot of

>effort SHOULD go into an escort's planning to meet a client.

 

Could you please explain what EFFORT is put into PLANNING to give a client a good time. You shit, shower & shave, things you presumably do daily anyway.

 

>It was brought up by someone else that some escorts travel

>about to an hour to get to an appointment and then of course

>the hour home. Living in LA with neighboring areas like

>Orange County or the far reaches of the valley, this can be a

>common occurrence.

 

Did it ever occur to you that countless thousands of people travel for an hour each way to get to their regular job, where they work for EIGHT hours, not one, to earn less than $250 for the day's work?

Why should you expect anything different?

 

>Even with a travel charge if I know that a

>client JUST wants an hour or something, I'm personally not as

>likely to go the extra mile (literally and figuratively) to go

>see them.

 

Well I'm sure glad you cleared that little point up! Nice to know you have a cash register mentality.

 

 

>I don't believe zipper's comment about getting people to shake

>their heads in agreement with him that tipping is off base is

>completely warranted.

 

That comment was directed to the issue of Income Tax evasion, not tipping.

 

People should do what they feel is

>necessary and shouldn't be bullied by other people's

>interpretations of a situation.

 

BULLIED - how can my opinion, expressed in an open forum be classified as Bullying? If it is, then I would contend that your argumments re the validity of tipping is also bullying. The word extortion did come to mind, but I dismissed that as being too harsh.

[stripfan]

My 2Cents:

 

This is a business transaction and both the provider and the customer will determine after the session if this is a business relationship that they would want to continue to pursue.

 

From the customer's perspective, I make my evaluation not only on the performance of the escort but also the contact after the session, the promptness of the escort, my comfort level, etc. I would assume the escort does the same thing. The truly professional escorts I have encountered appreciate the tip but I don't think would disrespect any person who doesn't tip.

 

I may not tip my doctor or my lawyer, but I certainly remember them during the Holidays and being a business professional, I receive perks from my clients, including tickets to sporting events, invitations to parties, etc.

 

But lest we forget, its all about the benjamins. A tip is always appreciated and remembered. That is why we tip.

 

Tip on America, Tip on..

 

Stripfan

[Epigonos]

As I said earlier in this thread, I DO NOT tip escorts. They name a fee and I either pay it or I pass. Now with that said let me add the following:

 

1. I used to see an escort, now retired, on a regular basis. He lived in Hollywood and I live in Orange County. He did not do incalls so he would drive to my place during the late afternoon rush traffic. He liked home cooking so I would prepare a large dinner and pack up the left overs for him to take home. I always received an email or call from him the next day telling me how much he was enjoying the food he had taken home. Was that a tip?????

 

2. I currently see an escort, on a regular basis, who has become a friend. I recently saw a piece of art that I thought he might like so I bought it and sent it to him. It now hangs in his bedroom. Was that a tip?????

 

Frankly I do NOT consider either of the above tips. They were simple friendly gestures toward two guys I really enjoy and appreciate. I try to do this type of thing for all people I like so why should I treat escorts I see regularly any differently

[Guest PWIT]

If you follow the original intent of tipping, it would be something you give in advance - something to ensure you get good service. It was usually reserved for someone employed by a company - not an independent or self-employed worker. So in your situation, if you hired someone from an agency, maybe tipping was in order.

 

Personnally, I don't tip cash with escorts (OK...don't everyone start telling on me!) Sometimes I round up, but that is usually based on what denomination of bills I have with me (I could never see myself asking for change). :-)

 

What I have done in past:

On 4th visit with one escort who I quiet enjoy I bought him a pair of diesel jeans. Now, for those that know me, I have personnaly never paid $250 (+ tax of course)for a single item of clothing (not counting suits) for myself. So to do that for someone else was a big deal for me.

 

I have regully taken guys out underwear shopping. But I'm probably the benificieary of that one! :9

 

Once, an escort I have seen a couple times asked me to take him to a play (request was not as an official escort 'date' but just two people enjoying each other's company - no sex involved).

 

 

Not saying my method is right or wrong. Just what I have done in past.

 

Now on the flip side, I have really been impressed by some actions of escorts. Little gestures that make me seek them out again. I have had escorts take me out for drinks & pick up the tab, bring me tokens from their recent travels, make out of the blue phone calls just to see how I am doing, etc. I know these little gestures make an impression on me and keep me motivated to see them again, so I can surely understand how tipping would do the same on thier part.

[Lookin]

I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer to your questions, since there’s not a strong tradition in the escorting profession. Here’s what Wikipedia has to say:

 

 

“ A tip (also known as a gratuity) is an amount of payment to certain service sector workers which is in addition to the advertised bill or fee. These payments and their size are a matter of social custom.

 

There are no universal rules or obligations concerning whether to tip (tip is both a noun and a verb), who to tip or how much. Tipping varies from culture to culture and by service industry. In some situations tipping can be considered rude or demeaning. In other situations it can be considered very stingy not to give a tip. Giving a very small tip can be considered worse than giving nothing, and can be used as a deliberate snub.”

 

 

What you’re doing seems to be a friendly gesture, made without any expectations of or by the escort. If I offer some extra cash, it’s in the same spirit. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s considered a tip, a present, a bonus, or just a nice gesture.

 

If there eventually becomes an expectation that some extra cash will change hands, like in a restaurant or a cab, then I think the word “tip” would be the right one. But we’re not there yet, so I think you can call it whatever you like.

 

I do feel, however, that it’s more enjoyable when there’s no expectation and it’s freely given, as you have done.

 

If an escort does decide that a tip is expected, I hope he will just bundle it in the rate. I, for one, like to leave the calculator in the car. :-)

[Louis]

My tipping is directly related to how well the session went. I probably make less money than anyone else on the list, but I still like to see a particular type of escort...that is the only way I would be able to have a good time with a person of certain physical atributes. I always give student escorts a tip. I know they will not be in the business for a long time, and escorting is probably the most effective way for them to raise funds while in school. A student would have to work several days or more to make the same amount that they would for an evening evening session for example, and many students just can't fee up the hours if they want to get good grades. So I like to see students, and if I had a great time I will tip them. That being said, I do not recall ever having a bad session with a student.

Louis

[Guest timgetrum]

> Was that a tip?????

> Was that a tip?????

 

No and no. They are friendly gestures toward two guys you really enjoy, two guys, who are escorts and friends.

[SAdler]

>Frankly I do NOT consider either of the above tips. They were

>simple friendly gestures toward two guys I really enjoy and

>appreciate. I try to do this type of thing for all people I

>like so why should I treat escorts I see regularly any

>differently

 

See ... now that's where I guess it's all up for interpretation. I went on a cruise with a good friend/client of mine and in addition to my fee during the art auctions he purchased a rather extravagant piece for me. Sarcastically, but humorously, he said as he signed the piece to our room that the piece was my tip

 

Again, to clarify anything that might have been misunderstood by my commentary above, my definition of a tip is anything form of remuneration that shows appreciation to the escort for going above their call of duty to make your time with them better than a mediocre meeting. Thus showing that you acknowledge and appreciate that they did their absolute best for you, you're going beyond their expectations of you with a tip.

 

So frankly, yes, even cooking dinner and sending home left overs might even be classified in that category. Certainly giving someone the recipe for delicious teriyaki marinated chicken could fall into that category It shows appreciation and that you REALLY had a good time

[SAdler]

>You not wanting to weigh in on this? Come on, it's a joke,

>right?

 

WHOA Nelly ...

 

I didn't think we had a contentious relationship on here but I may have to look back at past threads to see. There was NO malice intended toward you and really sorry if you (obviously) felt that way.

 

>How can you possibly say, and expect a reader to believe, that

>the comment was not self-serving?

 

Which comment dear? All of my comments on here go to my philosophy on tipping in this industry. Most of those comments are giving insight into client/escort relationships and mind sets. Never was it said that I wouldn't see or look down on someone who doesn't tip because THAT isn't the case. Thus, how is it strictly "self" serving. It's been proven that nothing we as humans do is not egoistically based short of helping our family and progeny and even then there is an root of ego there.

 

>Could you please explain what EFFORT is put into PLANNING to

>give a client a good time. You shit, shower & shave, things

>you presumably do daily anyway.

 

Gladly, although I can only speak personally. The three S's have subcategories like "cleaning up" (which has been established on these boards that a lot of clients don't even do) and shaving perhaps a second time. For me, I have the cursed Jewish genetics of body hair. When I see I client I typically tend to trim and shave everywhere that should be done. In addition I shave in the mornings, by 6 or so when I get ready for a date I end up having to shave again which ends up causing me irritation later but c’est la vie. Thank god for laser hair removal … three sessions down, three to go. MEANWHILE, showering and getting dressed with some people’s strict orders to not wear colognes or heavy scents isn’t typically a problem but lots of little things. Not to mention that I don’t cum the entire day that I have a client. I’m sure you’re saying boo hoo to all of this. Granted it’s not a problem anymore, but I used to do all of this while coordinating a school schedule, term papers, and exam studying. I’m still studying for different exams but without a class schedule that makes planning a tad easier.

 

>Did it ever occur to you that countless thousands of people

>travel for an hour each way to get to their regular job, where

>they work for EIGHT hours, not one, to earn less than $250 for

>the day's work?

>Why should you expect anything different?

 

Of course there are thousands of people that travel an hour each way for their regular job. That’s their choice. People always have a choice what job they go to and if it’s WORTH it to them. I don’t opt to have a job that requires a long commute so when I have to do it, that’s what happens. A lot of those people, not all of them obviously, get a gas budget as well. What it comes down to is they have their job and I have mine … they’re not the same. You can’t expect EVERYTHING to have congruence.

 

>>Even with a travel charge if I know that a

>>client JUST wants an hour or something, I'm personally not

>>as likely to go the extra mile (literally and figuratively) to

>>go see them.

>

>Well I'm sure glad you cleared that little point up! Nice to

>know you have a cash register mentality.

 

Where on earth do you see a cash register mentality? Many food delivery services won’t deliver if you’re out of the service area. A lot of service companies don’t come to you because there’s an out of area service charge. It happens. Time is a valuable thing in general. As I said, I’m in this a s hobby and not for work. My time is important to me and I don’t like spending it in bumper to bumper traffic as many don’t. When I started in this industry I only did sessions because I like getting to know people, that’s my style. Just an hour with a couple hours of traveling doesn’t make sense if you’re trying to get to know someone.

 

>That comment was directed to the issue of Income Tax evasion,

>not tipping.

 

That was my mistake for taking it out of context.

 

>BULLIED - how can my opinion, expressed in an open forum be

>classified as Bullying? If it is, then I would contend that

>your argumments re the validity of tipping is also bullying.

>The word extortion did come to mind, but I dismissed that as

>being too harsh.

 

Again, I took your comment out of context. I took it to mean you were trying to get people to agree with you about the “lack of necessity” for tipping. Again, I wasn’t bullying, merely portraying my opinions on why tipping exists and why it’s a fair concept. So again, I’ve apologized for misunderstanding your comment and thus your interpretation and allusions to extortion were completely unnecessary.

[Rick Munroe]

>Frankly I do NOT consider either of the above tips. They were

>simple friendly gestures toward two guys I really enjoy and

>appreciate. I try to do this type of thing for all people I

>like so why should I treat escorts I see regularly any

>differently

 

I agree. We have regular clients who give us stuff sometimes just as a nice gesture and it is very appreciated but we think of it as a gift between friends. One client regularly brings us a bag of DVD's (we affectionately nicknamed him "Santa") but I think he's just a really nice guy who likes us and knows we like DVD's; we don't take it as a reward for a job well done, because we always do our best regardless. Also, we sometimes give gifts to clients with whom we've become friends, if we happen to see something that reminds us of them or just for no reason at all. I don't think of any of this as "work-related"...it's just people enjoying the gift of giving, you know?

[+ deej]

>> Was that a tip?????

>> Was that a tip?????

>

>No and no. They are friendly gestures toward two guys you

>really enjoy, two guys, who are escorts and friends.

 

I'd say yes and yes, and the rest I agree with.

[Rick Munroe]

>>Will a butt shake do instead?

>

>Sure it will - especially if it's done about two inches from

>my flicking tongue.

 

Will you let me get closer than 2 inches...? }(

[Guest timgetrum]

>I'd say yes and yes, and the rest I agree with.

 

LOL, this is confusing! Could it be 10% friendly gift and 90% tip or, perhaps, 90% friendly gift and 10% tip or? it is cool when what is friendship or working relationship gets fuzzy and not clear. Maybe it is wise to kick back and enjoy and not insist on clarity!

[SAdler]

What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

Sorry to resurrect a thread but I didn’t want to start a new one and I kind of felt this to be applicable here.

 

I had something happen to me on a past trip to NYC and now that sufficient time has passed and the situation has had a way of working out itself so I feel alright in asking about it.

 

There is no truly correct answer to this question, just a litmus test in some ways. Just seeing what some thing standard protocol is in this scenario.

 

I had a meeting scheduled literally just across the park from me. Same street just a park and a couple avenues on either side apart. I've been talking to the guy for a while and he was really genuine and sweet. Out of no where a freak summer rainstorm hits the same day of the appointment. There are lightening bolts hitting trees, wind knocking them over and rain pouring everywhere.

 

I call the client hours beforehand to see if he's willing to reschedule. He said that he has no way of rescheduling and specifically says that he would make sure it was worth my while to come. It's a great "address" so I don't question and ask him how long he thinks it'll take me to get to him and he says no more than 10 minutes by cab at the worst.

 

I grab a cab 25 minutes just to be sure and slowly but surely realize that it's going to be a long night. Every road through the park is flooded and CPW is jammed with taxis. I call again, we're already 20 minutes into the scheduled appt. and he's reassured me several times that it'll be fine whatever time I show up.

 

Long story short (too late) I was a sanctioned hour and a half late and had a $45 cab ride. Subway would have worked because they were all out because of the storm, walking would have been a total wet nightmare and I never would have arrived.

 

So anyway we have the session and he even talked about how awful the cab ride was. I stayed half an hour past the hour time since I figured I was there and he had made the comment about making it worth my while. When time comes to settle up I received my rate and nothing else. By then the rain had stopped and a couple roads through the park had cleared so the cab ride was $5. Just wondering, am I off base in having expected more given all the circumstances? Does something like this clarify my tipping theories above for clients? Thoughts? Opinions? Nasty commentary? Hopping my flight to NYC but looking forward to reading when I get there

[RockHard]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

In the exact same situation, if a customer says, "I'll make it worth your while.," to encourage you not to cancel, you are presented with two choices: one, trust that he'll come through for you; or, two, ask him, "Well, what exactly did you mean by that generous-sounding enticement?" By not pinning him down, you left the negotiation to chance and he was a fraud for not delivering on his promise.

 

Experienced New Yorkers know what a simple rain storm can do to an important business schedule. The storm you describe sounds uncommon and out of the ordinary. He knew you were not a New Yorker and you did not deserve the cheap treatment you received, regardless of the 90 minute delay.

[+ purplekow]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

While the client gave the impression that it would be financially worth it for you to show despite the weather, I don't think he was obligated to pay you more than your stated fee nor add on a tip.

The cost of your commute to a job is not part of the client's fee unless it is expressly decided upon prior to the appointment. I don't believe the client would have gotten a discount if he were the one making the commute and suddenly was faced with a delay and the extra cab fare. You had the choice to cancel and chose not to do so, partly related to his encouragement and partly due to keeping up a reputation as reliable but also because you wanted to make that usual fee.

With that said, as a client, I probably would have done something extra, because it does seem you went out of your way. In my case, if you had walked and arrived soaked with your clothes clinging tightly to your body, I would have gotten something extra and you would definitely have gotten something extra too.

[Louis]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

I had an escort that used to come to my place when I lived down east. The second time he got lost, to the point that I drove out to meet him so he could follow me to where we were going to eat.

I gave him I think 50 dollars because of what he went through. He emailed me that night or the next day thanking me for the tip.

So I definately feel that if someone goes out of their way or has problems going to a client's residence, there should be some renumeration. Its only fair in my opinion.

Louis

[+ purplekow]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

In this computerized age when mapquest and in car navigational systems and cell phones exist, it seems that someone getting lost is a matter of lack of preparation or a refusal to ask for help. Traffic, closed down roads or other unanticipated events might delay arrival but unless this was caused by the client's specific negligence in warning the escort, I don't see why the man commuting to his job should expect other than the agreed upon payment. Louis, you are probably a really empathetic person, and if you feel that the escort deserved a tip for getting lost and he did not otherwise go out of his way to offer excellent service, well god bless ya.

[Guest zipperzone]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

>I had an escort that used to come to my place when I lived

>down east. The second time he got lost, to the point that I

>drove out to meet him so he could follow me to where we were

>going to eat.

 

Lost the SECOND time? He wasn't blond, by any chance, was he?

>I gave him I think 50 dollars because of what he went through.

[SAdler]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

I can ONLY assume you live on a grid

 

Living in Los Angeles even having Mapquest is a joke. If people don't put "N." before my street name they end up hanging out south of the blvd. for an hour before they find me. I have given up on ordering delivery without giving explicit directions.

 

Don't even get me started on hooking up. You know how it is, the hotter they are the better the chance they're dumb. It's a cruel joke on behalf of the sex gods. Then I have to factor in parking permits and I already have a headache.

 

So yeah, like I said, I didn't want this to be an argumentative thing in here ... it's just a litmus test as it were. But mapquest and navigation is NOT 100%. Just ask people with these expensive cars that live in the Hollywood Hills

[Guest PWIT]

RE: What would you do? (NYC Clients Preferred)

 

>You know how it is, the hotter they are the better the chance they're dumb.

 

Hmmm....I do think you are hot Scott, so what are you telling me? :+

 

>

>But mapquest and navigation is NOT 100%.

 

Isn't that the truth. It is amazing how in some places it seems to work like a charm (DC for example) and in others you seem to have a high rate of misinformation (Honolulu comes to mind plus a lot of cities in the south).