rebirh of the hooboy site??!!

[doctordoctor]

found this link on muscleservice...

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/escorts.php

 

good luck to "Daddy"....

[OneFinger]

I thought it was interesting that the website is copyrighted by:

 

WinkWinkNodNod, LLC

 

So, is Daddy Wink1, Wink2, Nod1, or Nod2. And, who are the other partners? :+

[+ deej]

Those planning to bookmark the site might want to use the top page (for now):

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com

 

All other document names are subject to change as the thing unfurls.

[+ Lucky]

Whoever does Daddy's PR should be fired. That we learn about the new site second hand is insulting.

[+ deej]

It isn't open yet.

[Boston Guy]

Nevertheless, Lucky's right.

 

This has been a pretty supportive audience, by and large. The lack of any "friendly pr", other than the 3 paragraph note about the change itself, is discouraging. I think someone ought to be noting progress and goals here on a daily basis. People can be very, very supportive when they're informed about goals, progress, asked to be patient, even asked for ideas.

 

If I were in charge of the thing, I'd start several threads, with titles like:

 

"The best features of M4M we should keep"

"The worst features of M4M we should drop"

"How should we let our friends know about all that is going on"

"Here are our plans for the next 12 months"

"What features should we be sure to have in the 'new' M4M?"

 

There are a lot of very bright people who hang around here. It's a shame not to capture -- and listen to -- at least some of their ideas.

 

Everyone loves to be part of the process. No one likes to be an outsider, or treated like one. Allowing the new website to be announced on another site (even accidentally) is a big oops.

 

BG

[+ deej]

So you're saying he should just take it down because it's been done completely wrong? Kill it before it multiplies before you've even seen it?

 

No announcements have been made because there is nothing to announce.

 

To be honest, that site is up right now SOLELY so it can be registered with the net-nanny child protection/parental controls services.

 

I'm sure Daddy would love to hear your input. His address is [email protected]. Lets all pile up a lot of time-consuming emails so it takes even longer to get the reviews back up!

[AdamSmith]

>Lets all pile up a lot of

>time-consuming emails so it takes even longer to get the

>reviews back up!

 

One respectfully wonders whether it would really take longer to ignore 10,000 emails than to ignore 100.

[Guest alanm]

Daddy's style is different from HooBoy's.

 

Daddy rarely posts in the message center and never mentions his personal life. Daddy also gets the reviews up on time every week day morning with a minimum of commentary. If Daddy plays favorites with escorts, it's not as obvious. Benji, Rick and soon Scott will have links to their respective blog below the Coverboy of the Day.

[Boston Guy]

No, I'm not saying anything should be taken down.

 

But there's a world of difference between:

 

1. Posting a quick note here that says "By the way, we have a new URL and we're putting up a template so can get registered, etc., etc. Let us know any quick thoughts about what we're doing by posting them here."

 

and

 

2. Doing it anonymously and having it discovered on another site and then posted here by someone else.

 

It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

 

And, for the record, I think that asking people to send thoughts about the new site via email is a terrible idea, given the existence of this Message Center. It's not like there's no easy way to communicate here. Asking for email and not responding to things posted here (which has historically been Daddy's modus operandi) is asking for every dialog to be private. Perhaps that's what he wants. But it completely eliminates all possibility of getting a PR buzz going or having people toss ideas out that others could refine.

 

Great sites use their customers for input on design, content, etc. He's evidently building a brand-new site right now. Right now is the time to get ideas that might easily be implemented at this stage but be quite difficult later on.

 

Basically, it feels like the difference between treating the people who come here as allies or adversaries. There are many of us who could easily offer suggestions and perhaps one or two of those would be worthwhile. But do you see that dialog happening? I don't. And the reason it isn't happening is because it hasn't been asked for and -- candidly-- telling people to sit down and write a note to Daddy via email feels like being told to just shut up.

 

We're talking about emotions here, not facts. PR. Building a buzz. Building a community.

 

It feels to me like he assumes that everyone who went to M4M will just automatically become a loyal participant in DRc. I'm not sure that's a certain thing. He's creating a new enterprise, or trying to. Why not at least appear to be welcoming to the very people you hope will support you? It's a truism in politics that if you want someone to vote for you, you have to ask them to. Nicely. Persuasively. Much the same is true with many ventures.

 

I wish Daddy and anyone else associated with the new site all the luck in the world. But, boy, it just feels like it's starting off on the wrong foot.

 

BG

[pierrot]

Do we think Daddy's new site will incorporate all the reviews already existing on the old Hooboy site? I sure hope so. I worked hard on some of those myself, and valued the others as well. It's a real bible of escortdom and it'd be a shame to lose it.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>

>Daddy's style is different from HooBoy's.

>

>Daddy rarely posts in the message center and never mentions

>his personal life. Daddy also gets the reviews up on time

>every week day morning with a minimum of commentary. If Daddy

>plays favorites with escorts, it's not as obvious. Benji, Rick

>and soon Scott will have links to their respective blog below

>the Coverboy of the Day.

 

 

I was wondering when the posting war over this issue was going to break out. I am surprised that it took a week.

 

HooBoy is dead. For those who have not made a grasp of this fact it's time to come to grips and move on. Daddy is not HooBoy and to expect him to conform to some notion of "HooBoy's vision" in regard to this site is absurd.

 

Face it, whenever Daddy posts in this message center he gets flamed by someone or other over some issue that they think they know better. Regardless of whatever the facts may be someone always ascribes motives and parses every statement to fit their own agendas. Based on such it's no wonder Daddy keeps his interactions to a minimum.

 

For over a year, reviews have gone up on a regular basis. The message center software has functioned near perfectly since HooBoy's death. Escort pics have changed when requested by escorts. Given the circumstances with the estate, things have functioned better than could have been expected.

[+ deej]

Your opinions of the people involved are noted. Again, as in the past.

 

It has always been said (but never believed) that the message forum is NOT in any way connected to the review site. Now the message forum has an entirely different domain address, and people still don't believe it.

 

You obviously believe that work should not proceed at breakneck pace to bring the reviews back online. Got it. One vote against.

 

I'm told the email tends to disagree with you.

 

When there is something to announce, it will be announced.

[Boston Guy]

>Your opinions of the people involved are noted. Again, as in

>the past.

>

>It has always been said (but never believed) that the message

>forum is NOT in any way connected to the review site. Now the

>message forum has an entirely different domain address, and

>people still don't believe it.

>

 

Honestly, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. The Message Center provides a fast, easy, public way to communicate, visible to all interested parties. End of story.

 

>You obviously believe that work should not proceed at

>breakneck pace to bring the reviews back online. Got it. One

>vote against.

>

 

You think that can be inferred from what I wrote, huh? We both know that communicating with the masses here could easily be done in one short coffee break a day. And that taking that time would have no substantive impact on the progress being made on the new site.

 

>I'm told the email tends to disagree with you.

>

>When there is something to announce, it will be announced.

 

Well, I didn't expect anything else. But, in my business, if my customers are thinking negative thoughts, I'd far rather they tell me what they are thinking instead of just harboring them. And I certainly never try to make them feel bad for telling me what's on their mind.

 

BG

[SAdler]

Dear lord ... I do agree with another poster that I'm shocked it took this long for the "Eating Our Own" process the gay community holds so dear to begin here. Having been involved in debated in email groups over the past week, this topic has been touched upon directly and I'll just post a summary of the gist from my correspondence.

 

If you have an issue with this new review site or how it’s going to be run, do it yourself! Contributing is a nice concept but isn’t an option with “our” little group of highly dramatic and difficult people.

 

>Everyone loves to be part of the process. No one likes to be an

>outsider, or treated like one

 

Have you ever heard of the saying “too many cooks spoil the broth?” It’s obvious that people can’t agree on here and it’s not far fetched to see minor threads like the ones BG proposed starting massive flame wars of opinion throwing. What does it matter if the site is created first and then feedback given or if people flood Daddy with emails or make him deal with name calling matches on here leading to delay of the creation of the site.

 

Everyone is bitching about “having to find out about the site second hand,” uh DUH. Well the site isn’t even up yet as Deej well pointed out. It’s a freaking frame. The only link that actually works on there is an old link to BN’s blog. I mean what is there to BITCH about? Oh wait, did I just prove my point that people need things to bitch about so they’ll just attack whatever’s handy?

 

And finally ……

 

>Daddy rarely posts in the message center and never mentions his

>personal life. Daddy also gets the reviews up on time every week

>day morning with a minimum of commentary. If Daddy plays favorites

>with escorts, it's not as obvious. Benji, Rick and soon Scott will

>have links to their respective blog below the Coverboy of the Day.

 

Ugh this topic again. Trust me this site does not play favorites. Talk to Deej or Barry right now and they’ll definitely back me up. Shit happens that I have no control over either, the rules of this site are set. PEOPLE THAT CAN’T FOLLOW THE RULES are affected, not people that attack BN, Rick or myself. But instead, people would rather create drama and a stir. What is up with creating drama for gay men? Is it some twisted evolutionary new establishment of natural selection? Gay men who can survive drama or better create it and draw attention away from themselves will survive better?

 

I will most likely have a link on the page (should I continue with a relevant blog) as it was discussed shortly before the site had to go down. I’m not receiving special treatment, I wrote an email. It’s not a difficult concept. People have expressed a desire to read it and I made a comment about why is it not on the main page because I was sick of posting updates here and I was asked for the “link.” Not difficult at all. Again, it’s not special treatment, it’s just using a voice for something other than complaining about what people are doing wrong.

[IceFireWizard]

>Do we think Daddy's new site will incorporate all the reviews

>already existing on the old Hooboy site?

 

Just curious has it ever crossed your mind that there would be a Tabula Rasa?

 

IFW

[+ deej]

> communicating with the masses here could easily be done in one

> short coffee break a day

 

Don't nobody try to tell this guy that time is at a premium. He knows better than you do how to spend your time!

 

BG has LAID IT DOWN.

 

>Well, I didn't expect anything else. But, in my business, if

>my customers are thinking negative thoughts, I'd far rather

>they tell me what they are thinking instead of just harboring

>them. And I certainly never try to make them feel bad for

>telling me what's on their mind.

 

So go ahead and put in your $.02. I've told you how, and that hasn't changed. Ever. Even Hooboy hated coming into the MC because of all the preaching and bitching. I know I'm not alone in having "talked him off the ledge" from just pulling the plug on the MC.

 

In my business, we spend time on stuff that makes money. I'm not privvy to stuff that makes money around here, but I'm willing to bet it isn't you and your personal agenda. :* And I'm pretty damn sure it isn't a free message center that generates NO revenue.

 

Daddy does not spend a lot of time here because he's not particularly good at it or efficient at it. For him, writing takes a lot of time and thought and no matter how long he considers a response he still gets lambasted, AND he has to tangle with a grammar narc like me (or you). ;-)

 

He and I have talked about it. Often. He can generally choose between spending a half-hour with the MC, or processing tomorrow's reviews. He has exactly a half-hour to spend. Which would you choose? You do not get one from column A and one from column B. One gets done, or the other.

 

Right now, bringing the reviews back up (whatever form or wherever) are the #1 priority.

 

You have his email address. Go tell him how to best spend his time. Who doesn't love a condescending schoolmarm?

[+ deej]

>Talk to Deej or Barry right now and they’ll definitely back me up.

 

Ayup.

 

And add Cooper to the mix.

 

Your most recent complaints had merit, but should be taken up with the poster. Not with us. No lines were crossed.

 

(And I love you a little bit, pookie, for growing into it! Pinchies on your butt cheeks! I promise not to bruise. Much.)

 

[Boston Guy]

Nice. Very welcoming. As a site administrator, like it or not, you certainly speak for the site.

 

The message couldn't be clearer: "We're doing business the way we want. If you don't like it, keep your mouth shut."

 

Message received.

 

BG

[+ Lucky]

Deej-The fact is that the content of this site and the review section are all user provided. These contributors have a right to know what's up. As for Daddy's one-half hour a day that he has to work, well, I'm in tears. The site must be profitable enough or he wouldn't be undertaking a new one. If so, then stop demeaning the contributors who post here with suggestions made in good faith to a site that they have helped build. I have said it before and I will say it again: you are a poor representative for the administration of this site.

[Rick Munroe]

>HooBoy is dead. For those who have not made a grasp of this

>fact it's time to come to grips and move on. Daddy is not

>HooBoy and to expect him to conform to some notion of

>"HooBoy's vision" in regard to this site is absurd.

 

Excellent point. It's like when Farrah left Charlie's Angels; her replacement Cheryl Ladd made the show better and increased its popularity, and nobody expected her to have a Farrah hairdo. (Yes, I do always have to relate everything to an old TV show. ). I'll always be grateful to HooBoy for starting this site, but I agree that it's pointless to compare what is to what was.

 

Btw, I like the little illustrated character on the new site. Is that supposed to be Daddy? He looks like a cute little John Goodman (before anyone accuses me of sucking up, remember, I did say John Goodman and not Brad Pitt).

 

http://daddysreviews.com/art/site/handyman.gif

[+ deej]

>Deej-The fact is that the content of this site and the review

>section are all user provided.

 

Yup. And we love every contributor. When was your last valuable contribution?

 

> These contributors have a right

>to know what's up.

 

As soon as we know, we'll make an announcement. I think I said that earlier in this thread. Lawyers are still involved and the final resolution may not be what any of us expect.

 

There is nothing to announce. I think I said that before, too.

 

>The site must be profitable

 

Show me the books. You clearly know more than I do. Put it up, buddy. I'm waiting. You've promised juice to every reader. Give it up!

 

If you're going to take a stand on that, be prepared to put out. Show me (us) the money.

 

Or shut up.

 

I'm not your bitch. Never have been, and never will be. As much as it twists your panties, you can't dictate my opinions.

[+ deej]

>The message couldn't be clearer: "We're doing business the

>way we want. If you don't like it, keep your mouth shut."

>

>Message received.

 

Actually, I told you exactly how to deliver your message. Several times.

 

I'm sorry you didn't understand [email protected], but well, there's no way for me to cover for people who just want to pick a public fight.

[+ deej]

Daddy actually looks like that.

 

Ummm ... sorta. ;-)

[Guest]

That would be a great shame. Thousands of hours were spent writing those reviews. They're irreplaceable.