Kevin Aviance gay bashed

[bigjake8]

I think it's time to start to practice our 4th amendment right to bear arms!

 

 

NEW YORK Jun 11, 2006 (AP)— A singer whose songs have topped the Billboard dance chart was attacked by a group yelling anti-gay slurs, and four people were arrested on hate-crime charges, police and his publicist said.

 

 

 

Kevin Aviance, 38, underwent surgery for a broken jaw after the attack Saturday, said his publicist, Len Evans. Police said the singer, whose song "Alive" hit the top of the chart in 2002, was in stable condition.

 

 

 

A group of six or seven men attacked Aviance early Saturday, and passers-by did not stop to help as they threw objects at him, Evans said.

 

 

Four people were arrested on charges of first-degree assault as a hate crime, police said. They were identified as Jarell Sears and Akino George, both 20; Gregory Archie, 18; and Gerard Johnson, 16.

 

 

 

Aviance performs in drag but was "dressed like a boy" when he was attacked, Evans said. He had planned to take part in next week's Gay Pride parade and festivities, but will now be unable to perform, the publicist said.

 

 

 

Other popular songs by the singer have included "Give It Up," released in 2004, and "Din Da Da," which topped the Billboard dance chart in 1997.

 

 

 

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[RockHard]

"I think it's time to start to practice our 4th amendment right to bear arms!

 

But please don't bare them if your upper arms are too flabby. :-)

 

Jake's anxious hysteria aside (how about a massage with Tom Isern?), and before we honor a call to turn every gay man into a Bernie Getz, maybe we should consider how many gay bashings have occurred in NYC in the past ten years.

 

Yes, 13th Street and 1st Avenue is a very safe area but let's face it, homophobes are alive and kicking in NYC, especially young ones looking for their idea of fun. At least four were arrested and I'm confident more will follow.

 

I guess it's never a good idea to let your guard completely down here, especially walking alone on the streets after midnight.

 

As for folks not helping, maybe the AP writer would be stupid enough to step into a fight caused by five or six teens but I value my life too much. That's what a cell phone and 911 are for. Four arrests were made, I would hardly call that doing nothing.

[bigjake8]

http://www.pinkpistols.com/photos/poster/bashthis.jpg

[jasoncarter_dfw]

>I think it's time to start to practice our 4th amendment

>right to bear arms!

 

P.S. The 2nd Amendment refers to the Right to Bear Arms. The 4th Amendment guards against unreasonable search and seizure.

 

- Jason Carter - Dallas, TX

- [email protected]

- (972) 365-0120

[RockHard]

RE: Constitution 101

 

Holy shit! That's so funny, Jason. My mind was filled with visuals of flabby arms I completely missed that. Thank you for providing a really big laugh.

[Guest skrubber]

>>I think it's time to start to practice our 4th amendment

>>right to bear arms!

>

>P.S. The 2nd Amendment refers to the Right to Bear Arms. The

>4th Amendment guards against unreasonable search and seizure.

>

>- Jason Carter - Dallas, TX

>- [email protected]

>- (972) 365-0120

>

 

Nice catch Jason. I always knew you were on top of things

[bigjake8]

Thanks, my finger slipped and I didnt catch it myself. Thanks for your nit-picking. It really provides for excellent conversation...

 

I know this is not a very popular idea, but I guess I also don't care too much about that.

 

Gay people do not exist in a vacuum. Personally, I'd rather have people fear me than rely on hate crime protection and cops that take forever to get to you. Kevins jaw might have been spared if a few people had picked up a few heavy objects to defend him.

 

Just for the record Rockhard, I would do something more immediate to help someone being bashed, even if it was your sorry ass.

 

A few websites for anyone that agrees with me:

http://www.pinkpistols.com

http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/dclm/ldinfo.html

http://www.seido.com

http://www.tsk.com

 

 

>P.S. The 2nd Amendment refers to the Right to Bear Arms. The

>4th Amendment guards against unreasonable search and seizure.

>

>- Jason Carter - Dallas, TX

>- [email protected]

>- (972) 365-0120

>

[RockHard]

RE: Finger slippage.

 

"my finger slipped and I didnt catch it myself"

 

Mind you, the finger had to slip three times. 4-t-h is nowhere near 2-n-d.

[bigjake8]

RE: Finger slippage.

 

Ok, I guess I might let a fag basher work you over for a few extra minutes before I jumped in, just because I think you are a dick.

 

It's pretty easy to make a typo when you are angry. Kevin is a friend. And see, there you go again. Nothing interesting to add. Too bad, I would think that gay men needing to learn to defend themsleves and each other would be an excellent conversation. But instead it's just more bullshit.

 

I suppose it's easier to deal with guys in the sex business if you can just assume they are stupid. That's ok by me. I'm just a big stupid hooker porn star, but at least I can defend myself. Have fun with your little cell-phone. I hope it has a charge and a signal if you ever really need it.

 

 

>"my finger slipped and I didnt catch it

>myself"

>

>Mind you, the finger had to slip three times. 4-t-h is nowhere

>near 2-n-d.

[RockHard]

RE: Finger slippage.

 

My, my, so defensive, BJ. I have no problem paying homage to smart, sexy, handsome male companions. I just wish there were more of them.

 

I've been mugged, honey, and I managed without your help and before cell phones. I wasn't dogging Kevin's unfortunate experience. I was dogging your queen-like hysteria and a call to arms. Just what society needs, a bunch of angry Chelsea-sissies with a pistol. Now I'm really scared.

[Guest zipperzone]

As upsetting as this bashing was, I don't really understand why anyone would be surprised by it.

 

With the homophobia flowing from the highest offices of the land, how could those little thugs be expected to feel it was not OK.

 

Monkey see - monkey do!

[FinFangFoom]

>Personally, I'd rather

>have people fear me than rely on hate crime protection

 

Which, in this example was an amazing deterent, wasn't it?

 

I can just hear the exchange before the savages descended upon him: "See that faggot over there? Before we go bash his head in, maybe we should think twice since it would be classified as a hate crime and that could possibly add time to our sentence - should we get caught, that is."

 

Personally, I refuse to believe that hate crime legislation does anything to curb crime. No one tries to beat your head in with a tire iron because they love you.

 

I'm with Jake on this. If more people were allowed to carry guns, there would be fewer crimes - and CRIMINALS, since (hopefully) they would be blown away by the intended victims.

 

By the way Jake, a friend of mine said some awfully nice things about you the other day.

 

Aggressively yours,

 

FFF

[OneFinger]

>I'm with Jake on this. If more people were allowed to carry guns, there would be fewer crimes - and CRIMINALS, since (hopefully) they would be blown away by the intended victims.

 

Well, FFF, you and Jake have another supporter in me.

 

http://www.pinkpistols.org/images/splash3.jpg

 

Pink Pistols is an organization that I'd recommend for getting info on LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon.

 

http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html

 

In my state they have a "must issue" conceal firearm permit law. That means that unless I'm a criminal they MUST ISSUE a permit to me. Some states, like California, make you show evidence of a threat or meet very strict guidelines to carry.

 

Many states offer reciprocity. That means that a permit from my home state will be honored in other states. Currently, I can (and do) carry a concealed weapon in 30 other states.

 

IMHO you can't be too careful when it comes to your personal safety. Don't allow yourself to become a victim.

 

http://www.pinkpistols.org/images/slogantinyish.gif

 

Thank goodness my one good finger is my trigger finger. ;-)

[Rick Munroe]

I have to agree with you, zipper. But we've been through dark times like this before and hopefully, we'll be stronger in the end and fight back harder. I was glad to see that Mayor Bloomberg strongly condemned the attack. The Daily News quoted him as saying homophobia would not be tolerated in NYC: "Anybody that thinks they can get away with a hate crime is sadly mistaken. It was a disgrace." And Kevin has a good attitude: "I'm feeling good (and) I appreciate everything you (reporters) have done. If nothing else, I hope it brings more awareness."

[bigjake8]

Friends: Join me for this event… it’s important that we show our strength of community and show our passion for what is right! J – Will

 

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

 

____________

 

March and Rally this Saturday

 

Raise Our Voices Against Anti-LGTB Hate

 

in Our City and in Our Neighborhoods

 

 

 

When: Saturday, June 17

 

 

 

Where: Gather at NE Corner of 14th Street and First Avenue at 2PM; march at 3PM to Christopher Park (Christopher & West 4th Streets)

 

 

 

Why: In the last week - as unfortunately happens so often in June - a number of hate incidents have impacted our community in neighborhoods around the city:

 

 

 

Saturday, June 10, 12:30 AM - East Village, Manhattan

 

On his way home, Kevin Aviance is brutally attacked by a group of men yelling anti-gay slurs

 

 

 

Saturday, June 10, 1:10 AM - Astoria, Queens

 

A group of three friends are attacked by a larger group yelling anti-gay and racist epithets and wielding a baseball bat

 

 

 

Sunday, June 11, 5:45 AM - Astoria, Queens

 

A man is followed off of an "N" train by another man who harassed him with anti-gay language, pushed him down elevated platform exit stairs to the street, and kicked and punched repeatedly.

 

 

 

Make your voice heard...

 

...we will not be targeted even as we celebrate our History, our Pride and our Survival...

 

 

 

Stand up and be counted Saturday...but anti-LGTB hate happens all year long...

 

...what you will do to help stop anti-LGTB hate and help those who fall victim to it after the March is over...

 

Community Partners in this Effort include: the NYC Gay & Lesbian Anti-Violence Project, Daniel Dromm, Empire State Pride Agenda, Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, Gay Men of African Descent, Hedda Lettuce, Lambda Independent Democrats of Brooklyn, the Latino Commission on AIDS, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer, mano a mano, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, New York State Black Gay Network, NYC Council Member Rosie Mendez, NYC Council Speaker Christine Quinn, NYS Assembly Member Deborah Glick, NYS Assembly Member Sylvia Friedman, NYS Senator Tom Duane, People of Color in Crisis, Unity Fellowship Church of Christ, list in formation

 

Safety Tips

 

Please note that none of the following is a guarantee of safety, they're only tips that can be helpful:

 

1. Be aware of your surroundings

 

Who's around you?

What are they doing?

Are they paying attention to you?

2. Try not to travel alone:

 

Traveling in groups can sometimes (but by no means always) dissuade likely attackers. Hate violence perpetrators are cowards and there are almost always more of them than there are of you.

3. Don't let your guard down just because you're in a "queer" area:

 

About 25% of anti-LGTB incidents in the New York area happen in places that we think of as being "safe" for our community: in or around bars, nightclubs or LGTB institutions, streets in LGTB-identified areas of the city, and cruising areas.

4. What to do if you are the victim of an incident:

 

If you need immediate assistance, call 911

Report the incident to the Anti-Violence Project at: 212-714-1141; our counselors and volunteers are here to help you 24 hours a day. All services are free and confidential.

5. What to do if you witness an incident:

 

Call 911 if someone is in immediate danger.

Make it clear to 911 what the danger is; this may make the difference in getting a quicker response.

Call the Anti-Violence Project's 24-hour, bilingual hotline (212-714-1141) to let them know what you've seen.

If you speak with the victim(s), share the Anti-Violence Project’s hotline number and encourage them to call the Anti-Violence Project. There are probably supports and services that can help them pay medical bills, get free support and other services.

http://www.avp.org

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I'm glad that Aviance is alright after this: I saw him last year perform at Le Boy for Carnivale and in addition to being a captivating performer, he seemed like a really down-to-earth guy when the spotlight went off.

 

I wonder if during this attack he was in 'full show' outfit or just everyday dressed-down. Not that there's EVER a reason to physically hurt someone, but maybe there was a trigger such as a garish outfit or something along those lines.

 

Either way, there was no excuse for it and i hope this issue raises continued awareness in the community. This is still happening.

 

 

BN

[Rick Munroe]

>I wonder if during this attack he was in 'full show' outfit or

>just everyday dressed-down. Not that there's EVER a reason to

>physically hurt someone, but maybe there was a trigger such as

>a garish outfit or something along those lines.

 

If there's never a reason for someone to be attacked, then why even bring that up? That's like asking if a female rape victim was showing cleavage or wearing a short skirt. The fact that you're bringing it up suggests that you think that "flamboyant" gays bring it upon themselves, despite your disclaimer. If you google any of the news reports (or just read Jake's post at the top of this thread :o ), you'd know Kevin was actually dressed as a guy, but I don't see why it should even be discussed.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Rick, settle down.

 

I had already said (regarding the dress issue) that it shouldn't matter, but was just curious as to the details. It's too obvious you're looking to make an issue out of this, as my message was neither accusatory or rudely questioning, so i'm simply going to leave it be.

 

BN

[Rick Munroe]

>I had already said (regarding the dress issue) that it

>shouldn't matter, but was just curious as to the details.

 

OK, here's another analogy. It's like saying, after a black man is beaten up by a neo-nazi, "Well, not that it should matter, and no one should ever be attacked for any reason, but was the black guy wearing a do-rag and acting all uppity? Did he kiss a white girl? I'm just curious, that's all..."

 

As for "Rick, settle down," I don't see where I was yelling or vitriolic in my post. There were no exclamation points or ALL-CAPS or demands for apologies. I simply gave a reasoned reason as to why I took offense to your post. Or does "settle down" just mean "don't you dare question me"? :+

[RockHard]

RE: Being less than pretty.

 

"I don't see where I was yelling or vitriolic in my post."

 

But your post had a slap-one's-face, accusatory sting no different than the ones often created by that vain, self-absorbed trouble-maker, Tom Isern. And, frankly, Rick, I think better of you and wish you would take responsibility for the tone of your post. It was unkind and unnecessary.

 

It's very well known in the world of self-defense, anyone can trigger a negative response in public by displaying very subtle messages. There's nothing subtle about Kevin Aviance.

 

Women are often advised to wrap their purse-straps around their neck and not wear showy, expensive jewelry when walking the streets, even Upper East NYC streets. Avoiding thieves and muggers is a big topic in travel internet chat and the recommendations are too numerous to mention here.

 

Women who show excessive cleavage and wear skirts hiked up to their pussies, and take the subway deep into Brooklyn at 2 AM in the morning, better have a Black Belt in karate. Any cop will tell you such decisions can attract serious trouble.

 

Ben is a curious fellow and I see NOTHING wrong with wondering if Kevin Aviance looked outrageous enough to possibly encourage gay bashers to attack him. Since Kevin has made a career out of being a Black Man who dresses to look like an outrageous woman, it stands to reason why someone who knows this might wonder what he was wearing the night he was attacked.

 

To be perfectly honest, when I first heard of the attack (the evening it occurred), Ben's question was one of the very first questions to enter my mind. (But I found out the answer without asking the question here.)

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Being less than pretty.

 

>I see NOTHING wrong with wondering

>if Kevin Aviance looked outrageous enough to possibly

>encourage gay bashers to attack him.

 

Well, I think that in New York City, in the year 2006, almost four decades after the drag queens fought back against the police at the Stonewall Bar and started the modern gay rights movement, that there's something seriously wrong with wondering if Kevin Aviance looked outrageous enough to encourage gay bashers to attack him. But maybe that's just me.

[Luv2play]

RE: Being less than pretty.

 

No, I'm with you on this one Rick. I too find it sad that in 2006 in a sophisticated city like New York that we are still reading of these kind of crimes. And I agree that the message has to come from the top of society, from Presidents and Prime Ministers, from governors and premiers and from mayors that gay bashing will not be tolerated.

 

I also think that young people need to be taught to respect differences which include not being aggressive towards minorities, including even provocative ones such as cross-dressers and outrageous queens and what-have-you. Of course, given that I live in the Gay Village in Montreal, all I have to do is walk down the street to see all of the above and more any day of the week and any hour. It does make one blasse after a while.:+

[RockHard]

RE: Being less than pretty and in denial.

 

Well, I think that in New York City, in the year 2006, over 20 YEARS since AIDS reared its ugly head, that so many gay men are still in denial about reality. They still fuck without condoms, they still suck and swallow anonymous men's cumshots, and the homophobes still live among us, wishing they could simply bash, bash, bash their fears away.

 

Rick, you and every other gay man has a right to be pissed but I think it's far more productive if we do something positive with our collective anger.

[VaHawk]

RE: Being less than pretty.

 

>But your post had a slap-one's-face, accusatory sting no

>different than the ones often created by that vain,

>self-absorbed trouble-maker, Tom Isern.

 

First off, your comments about Tom Isern are a DUH!!! violation of the tos of this site, which state to attack the views and not the person expressing those views!

 

Second, I can understand Rick's reaction, and in fact, I agree with it, and thought his analogy was SPOT ON!

 

But, you know what??? He expressed his opinion about Benjamin's statement, in a non-attacking way, unlike your response.

 

Knowing Benjamin, I'm fairly sure that his question was just an innocuous inquiry, that was in no way intended the way that RM interpreted it to be, but I can also understand RM's interpretation.

 

I think BN is a great guy. WTF, I KNOW he is!!, Unfortunately, imo, he used a "poor choice" of wording in his query.

 

>And, frankly, Rick, I

>think better of you and wish you would take responsibility for

>the tone of your post. It was unkind and unnecessary.

 

WHAT???? Sorry, but I for one didn't see anything remotely unkind or even unnecessary in RM's posting. IMO, Rick is right in his reactions!, and his tone is, at least in my view, reminiscent of the spirit of the first fighters for gay rights.

 

I, for one, hope that there are many, many, many more people like Rick out there, who are vigilant enough to call anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, to task for their utterances, to ensure that we gays not only continue to gain more of our human rights, but don't lose the rights, already obtained, that so many sacrificed so much, in the past, to gain for us.

 

 

>It's very well known in the world of self-defense, anyone can

>trigger a negative response in public by displaying very

>subtle messages. There's nothing subtle about Kevin Aviance.

 

Isn't that the WHOLE point????? WHY??? should Kevin Aviance or ANYONE, have to "mask" their identity to be entitled to their "rights" as human beings??? Hopefully, in the END!, we, as a society, will be at the point that anyone, regardless of how they dress, how they look, how they act, or who they are, are accorded the same rights and the same respect as everyone else, and when they are "attacked/assaulted", those differences are not even THOUGHT of, just the FACT that they are victims?

 

 

>Women who show excessive cleavage and wear skirts hiked up to

>their pussies, and take the subway deep into Brooklyn at 2 AM

>in the morning, better have a Black Belt in karate. Any cop

>will tell you such decisions can attract serious trouble.

 

Are you for REAL??? Anyone, anytime SHOULD be able to dress as they want, look as they please, and travel anywhere they want via any mode of transportation, without being subject to attacks of any kind, whether it is a verbal assault, a physical bashing or a sexual violation! To blame the "victim" is INEXCUSABLE!!!!!!!

 

>Ben is a curious fellow and I see NOTHING wrong with wondering

>if Kevin Aviance looked outrageous enough to possibly

>encourage gay bashers to attack him. Since Kevin has made a

>career out of being a Black Man who dresses to look like an

>outrageous woman, it stands to reason why someone who knows

>this might wonder what he was wearing the night he was

>attacked.

 

OOOHH! Reread the above!! Not only does it seem that you hate openly gay people, but it also seems that you are a racist! If he was a White Man who dressed as an "outrageous woman", would your opinings be "different"?????

[bigjake8]

RE: Being less than pretty and in denial.

 

>Rick, you and every other gay man has a right to be pissed but

>I think it's far more productive if we do something positive

>with our collective anger.

 

 

You mean like show up at a rally and march on June 17th starting at the site where Kevin was bashed (see earlier post)? I expect to see you there.

 

Or not, actually.